I checked the Cambs baptism index at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html with no success, so wondered if he was still in England in 1851 He was, living in Mile End, London as follows HO107/1553 folio 561A Mile End Old Town Joseph Wilcockson head married 48 Game keeper born Derbyshire Charlotte Wilcockson wife 46 b Cambridgeshire Ann Brown dau widow 24 b Cambridgeshire Edward Wilcockson son unm 18 b North Wales Hannah Wilcockson dau 16 b North Wales Thomas Wilcockson son 10 b Hunts Susan Wilcockson dau 8 b Hunts George Wilcockson son 6 b Hunts William Wilcockson son 4 b London Sarah Wilcockson dau 2 b London I cannot see them in 1861, nor can I find a baptism of Joseph Wilcockson in Derbyshire around 1803 on the IGI (www.familysearch.org). And the baptism is the key to finding his parents. Perhaps a brick or two dislodged but certainly not demolished! Regards David Marion Boyd <[email protected]> a écrit : Hello All, I'm an Aussie newbie to this list and wondering if someone might be able to help me out please. I have a Joseph WILCOCKSON who married on 5 Oct 1826 at Ashley Cambridgeshire to Charlotte HANTON - daughter of Joseph and Mary (nee BONNETT). I would dearly love to know of his parents names and anything about any of these families as this is a brick wall to my line. Look forward to any snippets that you may have to help me out. Thanks -- Cheers, Marion - In Victoria, AUST Researching- COSSTICK, COSTICK, COWSTICK, COULSTOCK, worldwide HAMILTON, HERBERT, WILCOCKSON in Aust\NZ, England & Canada GLS- Nympsfield-HERBERT, CHANDLER. Tewkesbury- KING, Forest Green, GRANT YKS- WILCOCKSON,WILCOXON, BURLEY KENT - HERBERT & HAMILTON AUS-NSW-Young area- BAILEY, NEAL, HEARES, GRIFFIN, BELL, LOWE & CAUNT VIC - Colac & Camperdown areas - ANSON, BOYD & HALLYBURTON ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses.

I would appreciate it very much if anyone who has been recently corresponding with me (last6months) would get in touch with me again particularly anyone who is expecting to hear from me. I have had a complete breakdown of both computers on my home network at the same time, aided I regret to say by a 4 year old gremlin, resulting in loss of my address book. Apologies DrGeneal

Cambs Family History Society also has an extremely good website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html which includes census indexes and baptism and burial indexes 1801-37 David Christine Cunningham <[email protected]> a écrit : I am sure you know this already but Camdex is online and may be useful. I can use Ancestry for Census & BMD if that helps. Christine Peterborough -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia Elschide Sent: 14 March 2007 04:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-CAMS] LOOK UPS PLEASE Does anyone do look ups in Cambridgeshire records, cemeteries, etc? If so please contact me. Cindy _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses.

I am sure you know this already but Camdex is online and may be useful. I can use Ancestry for Census & BMD if that helps. Christine Peterborough -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia Elschide Sent: 14 March 2007 04:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-CAMS] LOOK UPS PLEASE Does anyone do look ups in Cambridgeshire records, cemeteries, etc? If so please contact me. Cindy _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01

Looking at different censuses it would seem that Joseph was Rebecca's illegitimate son who was brought up as Joseph GRAY. His wife, Eliza, died in 1849 and in 1851 he was living with his mother-in-law in Whittlesey. So it would appear that he was at the very least a half-brother of Mary Ann GRAY. Paula ps Details have been sent off list

I would like to say an enormous thankyou to Paula for her great super sleuthing on my behalf. She has not only sorted out who was who, but also added a couple more previously unknown names to my Gray family. Wonderful work and again, thank you all for being so helpful on this list. Diana in the beautiful Kingdom of Tonga in the South Pacific. ----- Original Message ---- From: Paula Patterson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 14 March, 2007 9:04:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] GRAY & Smith-ASHWORTH of Whittlesey and/or Cambridge Looking at different censuses it would seem that Joseph was Rebecca's illegitimate son who was brought up as Joseph GRAY. His wife, Eliza, died in 1849 and in 1851 he was living with his mother-in-law in Whittlesey. So it would appear that he was at the very least a half-brother of Mary Ann GRAY. Paula ps Details have been sent off list ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Does anyone do look ups in Cambridgeshire records, cemeteries, etc? If so please contact me. Cindy _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01

I am a returned researcher to this list after many years of being absent. Having just spent a very informative and enjoyable time browsing the list archives, I can see how helpful the people are here, and thought I might ask for some help over something I have wondered about for a while now. ELIZA SMITH ASHWORTH – born in Whittlesey/Whittlesea in 1831 to John Smith Ashworth and Elizabeth Anne Hayes, married a JOSEPH GRAY in Whittlesey, she at the tender age of only 16, in 1847 Brother of Eliza Smith Ashworth (and my 3x gr. grandfather) GEORGE SMITH ASHWORTH married a MARY ANN GRAY in Rotherhithe London 7 years later in 1854. Mary Ann Gray was not from Whittlesey but came from the St. Paul’s Parish of Cambridge. I realize that GRAY is a very common name, but I would love to know if there is any relationship between Joseph Gray and Mary Ann Gray. 99% of my Ashworth family were given a middle name of Smith which has made them easy to research, but the Grays have been a much different story. Mary Ann’s father was also called Joseph Gray, and I have traced him back to having been born in 1803 in Little Abington. He, Joseph Gray, father of Mary Ann, was married to Rebecca Barrow of Steeple Bumpstead and had the following (known) children… Charles b. 1830, Henry b.1831, Mary Ann b. 1832, James b. 1835, Thomas b.1837, Daphney(sic) 1841, William 1943, George 1845. All born in Cambridge! I thought at first that Joseph might have been a brother of Mary Ann, hence George and Mary Ann apparently meeting up and marrying in London (you know, Joseph and Eliza visiting for instance, and bringing Mary Ann with them), but because they married before the 1851 census, he was not at home with his family in Cambridge at that time for me to check, and I have not as yet been able to check the 1841 census. I do not know where he actually came from as I have not found him on a census after the marriage in 1847. Not knowing the date of the marriage of the elder Joseph Gray and Rebecca Barrow I feel it could be more than possible they had a first child named Joseph, but this is only supposition on my behalf. Because I am currently in transit between the Sth Pacific and Australia I cannot join Ancestry to check the census records, but I wondered if maybe one of you super sleuths out there might like to do some sleuthing for me!! :o) Any help or suggestions would be most appreciated. Diana Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

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Hi Christine, Thank you for your suggestion to try and locate Heather however and thanks to David he has sent me off line a contact that is surely Heather and I will now hope to get through to her, again many thanks to both of you. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Cunningham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Trying to locate again. HEATHER ? > Hi > If she lived in Peterborough, also try the Northants list. > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of john frawley > Sent: 09 March 2007 16:04 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Trying to locate again. HEATHER ? > > Hi everyone I have not been on this list before but I thought that I might > try to locate a fellow researcher from way back in 2001, I only have her > first name and that is Heather and her E-Mail at that time was > [email protected] but have tried this and had the message > returned, Heather at the time was researching the name DRINKWATER and > originating in Tewkesbury. > At the time I was not able to make any connection but have just recently > made contact with a Drinkwater researcher who is certainly linked to her. > If anyone can help me to get back in touch I would be most grateful, > Heather > > lived at the time in PETERBOROUGH but of course she could have moved > elsewhere by now. > Many thanks in advance. John. Derby. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi If she lived in Peterborough, also try the Northants list. Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of john frawley Sent: 09 March 2007 16:04 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Trying to locate again. HEATHER ? Hi everyone I have not been on this list before but I thought that I might try to locate a fellow researcher from way back in 2001, I only have her first name and that is Heather and her E-Mail at that time was [email protected] but have tried this and had the message returned, Heather at the time was researching the name DRINKWATER and originating in Tewkesbury. At the time I was not able to make any connection but have just recently made contact with a Drinkwater researcher who is certainly linked to her. If anyone can help me to get back in touch I would be most grateful, Heather lived at the time in PETERBOROUGH but of course she could have moved elsewhere by now. Many thanks in advance. John. Derby. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone I have not been on this list before but I thought that I might try to locate a fellow researcher from way back in 2001, I only have her first name and that is Heather and her E-Mail at that time was [email protected] but have tried this and had the message returned, Heather at the time was researching the name DRINKWATER and originating in Tewkesbury. At the time I was not able to make any connection but have just recently made contact with a Drinkwater researcher who is certainly linked to her. If anyone can help me to get back in touch I would be most grateful, Heather lived at the time in PETERBOROUGH but of course she could have moved elsewhere by now. Many thanks in advance. John. Derby.

Have a copy of the 1799 will of Joseph Wilson of Gamlingay and the following names are mentioned - wondering if anyone out there recognises any of them and is able to enlighten me further pls . William Croote of Gamlingay Edward Johnson of Houghton with Witton Hunts George Wales John Wilson of Abbotsley Hunts John Smith husband of Elizabeth Wilson who was the sister of the above John Wilson John (a tailor)and Elizabeth Langley of Bedford John and Mary Smith of St Ives Hunts Ann and ? Barker - baker of Bedford James Williamson of Gamlingay Simon Page John Harper Ishmael Larkins John Smith & 2 daughters Sarah and Mary of Colne Hunts Alice Figgis James Radford son of William Radford.maltmaker of Gamlingay and his sister Sarah John and Elizabeth Laugley Ann wife of ??? and her sister Elizabeth Smith John Williamson Thomas Main Fanny Hinson John Hinson As you will know most of the people would have been well know within the family and the local area but that was 200+ years ago . just hoping for any snippets from anyone . T I A mICK wILSON .

Ann Cross was b in Roxton c 1801 and married David Wilson of Gamlingay in 1818 - she was the daughter of John Cross . Any listers out there who have any links or further information please . Mick Wilson .

does any lister have any link or information of the above family - my Wilsons were in Gamlingay in the 1700`s and I have a will of Joseph who died in 1799 and he mentions a kinsman Joseph Wilson of Longstanton Cambs - T I A Mick Wilson

Thanks David and Paula for assisting me in trying to sort out my Catmull problems. It might be me who is causing my own dilemma. I came across the christening of Samuel Catmull 20 Aug 1821 (6 yrs before Wm and Ann Marry?) this is when I went looking for another marriage and found the death of Ann Catmull Church Records, film #1041714 item 4 Toseland. Samuel son of William and ann Catmull Publican. David, my connection to Wm Catmull is through Ann Bradley and then through their eldest son John. I have all the census on Wm and Ann Bradley but how do I explain Samuel who is Christened in Toseland and appears to marry Grace B. Catmull who is the youngest daughter of Wm and Ann Bradley. If that is so then a Catmull married a Catmull but maybe they are cousins of some sort. Samuel is a tailor and moves to Tadcaster YKS and maybe he is the son of a different Wm.and Ann. Samuel says he is from Graveley on some census records and Toseland on some but he is born abt. 1821. Grace is born in Toseland in 1844. I found that on BMD's but once again I find no marriage for Grace and Samuel. I do find that Samuel Catmull married Mary Topham as follows: Church of England, Parish Records, Toseland Film #1040729.CATMULL, Samuel - tailor Spouse: Mary TOPHAM both full age Date: 11 Jul 1843 What do you make of it? I am perplexed! Sharon

Hi Sharon Paula and I have been exchanging thoughts off board, and I don't think either of us can understand how anyone has shown that it was Ann Betts who was William's first wife, if indeed he had a wife before his 1827 marriage. Possibly there was some sort of documentary evidence in Utah after the Catmull emigrated. However on the assumption that he was actually married to her, she was baptised in 1798 as previously advised to you. Her parents were William Betts and Mary Blunsom who married at Buckworth, Hunts on 16 Sept 1794 (on the IGI as an extracted entry so reliable). Hunts Marriage Index adds that William was of the parish of Graveley Cambs. William was baptised on 26 Apr 1766 at Graveley son of Edward and Ann, and he was buried at Graveley on 30 June 1830 age 64 ("William Betts of Huntingdon") Edward Betts married Ann Eversden at Bourn Cambs on 1 Jan 1756 ("Edward of Graveley"). He was baptised at Graveley on 27 Jan 1734, the son of William and Frances (he was their only child who survived to adulthood). William Betts of Boxworth Cambs married Frances Swetman at Huntingdon St Mary & St Benedict on 3 Feb 1726. William was buried at Graveley on 10 Apr 1734. Frances was from Yelling, which forms a triangle of villages with Toseland and Graveley. Hope this helps Regards David Sharon <[email protected]> a écrit : Hi Listers, Is there anyone reading this with ties to the William Catmull family of Graveley, Toseland area? One person said he married Ann Betts of Graveley about 1818 or before but I can't source that marriage. from the following site I found an Ann Catmull http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BurialIndex/ 1826 CATMALL Ann 28 Toseland ----- Graveley Is there a way to know what film that was? Thanks, S. Shaw ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses.

Many thanks for this Paula - I appreciate it greatly!! I'm trying to break through a brick wall - not an easy task. For years I've been looking for information about William Warren Renney and his wife Eliza Moore from whom I am descended. They had four children and used the name Warren as the middle name for their eldest son and their eldest daughter so obviously Warren is a significant name to them. So I decided to move the focus of my searching to William Warren - assuming that for some reason he wanted to take on a new name, perhaps when they came to Australia. My first search attempt found a marriage which you have now confirmed, so maybe I'm on the right track. Previous to this I have not been able to find records of William and Eliza's births, marriage, and would you believe, records of their deaths!! I'm not sure how you hide your death records. Perhaps the records are in the name Warren as well, in South Australia or Victoria. The only records I have are the marriage certificates of their four children and records of the offspring of these marriages. Thanks for the Camdex URL - I had forgotten about it. I'll do some more searching now and see if I can find any children. If anyone on the list has these two in their family lines, I would be very happy to hear from them. Cheers Leonie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Patterson" <[email protected]> To: "Peter & Leonie Last" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] William Warren marriage > Camdex http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/ridmars.nsf/search?OpenForm > has 2 entries for the marriage of a William WARREN in 1838. > The first married an Eliza MOORE and the second an Elizabeth WARREN. > Checking FreeBMD the first took place in Chesterton Reg District and the > second in Cambridge Reg District. > > HTH > > Paula > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter & Leonie Last" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:15 AM > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] William Warren marriage > > >> Hello everyone, >> I have found in the FreeBMD a marriage for a William Warren in Chesterton >> in the June quarter of 1838. Could someone lookup this record in the >> Parish registers please? I see on the same page an Eliza Moore and I'm >> hoping she and William Warren were a couple. >> Thanks >> Leonie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> This email has been verified as Virus free >> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: >> 04/03/2007 13:58 >> >> > >

Hello everyone, I have found in the FreeBMD a marriage for a William Warren in Chesterton in the June quarter of 1838. Could someone lookup this record in the Parish registers please? I see on the same page an Eliza Moore and I'm hoping she and William Warren were a couple. Thanks Leonie

Hi Paula The bit I don't like about the 1824 marriage is that Ann was a minor. If (and perhaps it's a big IF) it was Ann Betts who married William Catmull and it was her who was buried in 1826 she would have been 26 in 1824, which fits with the 1798 baptism. And there's a marriage of William Catmule to Ann Bradley in Toseland in 1827 (but William is not described as widower in the Marriage Index). It appears that a son of this couple emigrated to Utah, but there is so much garbage, and I use the word carefully, about him on the IGI that it's difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. Sharon, do you know if William and Ann (Betts) had children? What's your connection to Ann Betts/Catmull? Regards David Paula Patterson <[email protected]> a écrit : Pallot's Marriage Index has these entries: Betts, Ann (minor) s cons Wm B father = Catmull, William Davis (Wavenden co: Bucks) b Lic at St Andrews Holborn 1824 Catmull, William Davis (Wavenden , Co. Bucks) b = Betts, Ann s (Minor) consent of Wm B. father at St Andrews Holborn 1824 Lic The lower case b and s mean bachelor and spinster Lic means By Licence (rather than by banns) Is the marriage you are looking for? Well, it seems rather a coincidence that there's a baptism for a William Betts CATMULL in Wavendon, Bucks on 3 June 1816 with parents David and Ann CATMULL and that this same William Betts CATMULL shows up in the 1851 census as being born in St Neots, Hunts. Incidentally he has with him wife Jane and sons William, Leonard, and James. Now this is the only reference I can find to a David CATMULL so is the father here really William Davis rather than David? And apart from the obvious link there's another link which is the names of William Betts CATMULL's children. William Davis and Ann CATMULL supposedly had a son called Leonard Walter (or Wallace) CATMULL which was not exactly a common name in those days. William and Jane had Leonard Wallace CATMULL in 1849 and James Walter CATMULL in 1850. My money is on the Holborn marriage being the one you are after. Maybe you need someone to check out the whole entry (or even better get the Licence) to see if this is the right couple? Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] RE : William Catmull > The burial of Ann Catmall age 28 of Toseland was at Graveley on 26 Mar > 1826, per the Graveley PR transcript. There's a baptism of Ann Betts at > Graveley on 10 Oct 1798 the dau of Mr Wm and Mary. > > Frances Swetman of Yelling Hunts whose first husband was William Betts of > Boxworth Cambs (marr 3 Feb 1725/6 at Huntingdon St Mary & St Benedict) and > who had 4 children by him in Graveley, was my 6xg grandmother via her > second marriage to Thomas Revell of Yelling. These were the first Betts > records in Graveley so it is likely that Ann descended from William and > Frances. > > As usual when someone emigrated to Utah there is the usual collection of > inaccurate member submissions on the IGI relating to the family. The > marriage does not appear in Graveley parish register. Unfortunately > Toseland is in Hunts but the marriage is not in the Hunts Marriage Index > either. It would be worth checking Boyds Marriage Index which just about > fully covers Cambs up to 1837 to see if they married elsewhere in Cambs > which is not on the IGI. > > Regards > > David > > Sharon a écrit : Hi Listers, > Is there anyone reading this with ties to the William Catmull family of > Graveley, Toseland area? > > One person said he married Ann Betts of Graveley about 1818 or before but > I can't source that marriage. > > from the following site I found an Ann Catmull > http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BurialIndex/ > 1826 CATMALL Ann 28 Toseland ----- Graveley > Is there a way to know what film that was? > > Thanks, S. Shaw > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions > ! 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