Hi I am very new to the list and wonder if anyone can help me with the following. I have a William Chapman on my tree (Maternal side). Born 1840 in Dry Drayton. I have him living with his parents Francis and Elizabeth in the 1841 census. In the 1851 and 1861 census, still in Dry Drayton, there is just Elizabeth so appears Francis died between 1841 and 1851. In the 1871 census I have him living with a Charlotte (born 1847 in Dry Drayton) plus children. By the time of the 1881 census they have moved to Barrington. The problem is I can't find any marriage for William and Charlotte. I have found a Charlotte Kester (born 1847 in Dry Drayton) in the 1851 census living with her parents James and Susan. By the 1861 census Susan is shown as a Widow and publican at the Prince of Wales, Dry Drayton. Any suggestions on where to look/search would be appreciated. I live in North Yorkshire, but will be coming down to the Cambridge area in mid May so I can do local searches then. Many thanks Keith Hughes. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 14:31

Paula's suggestion is confirmed by the CAMDEX entry for the marriage of Thomas WHESTON cross-referenced to both Eleanor BLANKS and Eleanor LINSDELL in 1876 (331/CE127/01/252/1-3). Ruth On 26/03/07, Paula Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > > According to FreeBMD & Camdex there's a marriage for a Helena LINSDELL to > a David > BLANKS in Linton Reg District in 1869. > > The 1871 census has: > Gunnels Hall, Balsham, Cambs > David BLANKS Head Mar 36 Ag Lab b Balsham, Cambs > Ellen BLANKS Wife Mar 27 b West Wratting, Cambs > > This could be your missing Eleanor as in my experience > Helen/Ellen/Ellenor/Eleanor/Elinor were all interchangeable in Victorian > times. > > HTH > > Paula > > > On Mon Mar 26 18:07 , 'Penny Parker' <[email protected]> sent: > > >I have been trying to find the marriage of these 2 in Linton between > about > >1860 and 1880. On Freebmd I have found Thomas Wheston marrying an Eleanor > >BLANKS in March 1876 ref Linton 3b 693. I have viewed the transcription > it > >was taken from and it is clearly BLANKS. However I wondered if the > original > >entry did not record her surname which was therefore blank. Would anyone > be > >able to check this for me? > > > >Many thanks > > > > > > > >Penny Parker > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail > >http://ideas.live.co.uk > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >-- > >This email has been verified as Virus free > >Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

According to FreeBMD & Camdex there's a marriage for a Helena LINSDELL to a David BLANKS in Linton Reg District in 1869. The 1871 census has: Gunnels Hall, Balsham, Cambs David BLANKS Head Mar 36 Ag Lab b Balsham, Cambs Ellen BLANKS Wife Mar 27 b West Wratting, Cambs This could be your missing Eleanor as in my experience Helen/Ellen/Ellenor/Eleanor/Elinor were all interchangeable in Victorian times. HTH Paula On Mon Mar 26 18:07 , 'Penny Parker' <[email protected]> sent: >I have been trying to find the marriage of these 2 in Linton between about >1860 and 1880. On Freebmd I have found Thomas Wheston marrying an Eleanor >BLANKS in March 1876 ref Linton 3b 693. I have viewed the transcription it >was taken from and it is clearly BLANKS. However I wondered if the original >entry did not record her surname which was therefore blank. Would anyone be >able to check this for me? > >Many thanks > > > >Penny Parker > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail >http://ideas.live.co.uk > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >-- >This email has been verified as Virus free >Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net

Hello Penny, I have just looked at the Index for Marriages(not freeBMD) but Findmypast- the original index and there is an Eleanor BLANKS at the reference that you quote- so not an error(there were 2 others of this surname one in Essex & the other in London). If you search the Camdex site it has BLANKS LINSDELL Lauretta in Norfolk (I just googled Camdex- Cambs.C.C. Registration Index site) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Parker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Thomas WHESTON and Ellenor (Eleanor) LINSDELL > > >

I have been trying to find the marriage of these 2 in Linton between about 1860 and 1880. On Freebmd I have found Thomas Wheston marrying an Eleanor BLANKS in March 1876 ref Linton 3b 693. I have viewed the transcription it was taken from and it is clearly BLANKS. However I wondered if the original entry did not record her surname which was therefore blank. Would anyone be able to check this for me? Many thanks Penny Parker _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.co.uk

Traced direct line back to 1841 on the North side and 1851 on the Orchard side. Census's sent off list. This was quite an easy one. Christine Peterborough UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 24 March 2007 19:13 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Orchard Family Name in Abington? Hi everyone New to this list in order to try to track down some more information about Alice Elizabeth ORCHARD born Abington in Cambridgeshire. Parents were Frank and Elizabeth Fanny (nee North). Frank was a gardener. Any information will be gratefully received. John Macey Colchester Essex ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 24/03/2007 20:43:02 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Traced direct line back to 1841 on the North side and 1851 on the Orchard side. Census's sent off list. This was quite an easy one. Christine Peterborough UK Hi Christine A brief thank you for the stuff sent off list. I am just trying to get my head round it and will get back to you. Briefly though my wife's father John was the illig son of Alice who gave birth to him 18th October 1911 at St Pancras, when she was a domestic housemaid at a house in Watford. Not much was known about all this when Margaret's father was alive and we a now trying to fill the gaps. So anything you have about Alice would be useful I will get back Thanks again. John

Hi everyone New to this list in order to try to track down some more information about Alice Elizabeth ORCHARD born Abington in Cambridgeshire. Parents were Frank and Elizabeth Fanny (nee North). Frank was a gardener. Any information will be gratefully received. John Macey Colchester Essex

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Gayla, I have found their marriage - I confirmed it on CAMDEX and then went into www.findmypast.com and checked for John Edwards and it is there and the volume & page details are correct. So the certificate you need is: 1863 Dec Elizabeth Sarah Charles Cambridge 3b 1142 1863 Dec John Edwards Cambridge 3b 1142 Looking at the page image on findmypast I think it is possible that John Edwards' entry could be/has been transcribed as Cambnridge 3b 1162. Cheers Sylvia in Perth, Western Australia On 3/23/07, Paula Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Gayla > > Looking on Camdex confirms that they were married in Cambridge in 1863. > Checking > the FreeBMD main site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl shows an > entry for > Elizabeth Sarah CHARLES for Dec 1863 Cambridge 3b Page 1142. Clicking on > the > page number shows that there are only 3 names for this page which means > one of > the grooms is 'missing'. > Putting in John Edwards for the same quarter/year shows no Cambridge > entries but > there is one for Camberwell 1b 1142. > Checking the image itself using the links provided shows that this has > been > mistranscribed and should be Cambridge 3b not Camberwell. So there is your > missing John! > > HTH > > Paula > ps I've put in a correction request for this to the FreeBMD site so > hopefully it > will be corrected sometime in the next 8 weeks or so. > > > >Elizabeth Sarah Charles as per my grandfather married John B. Edwards in > Cambridge > >> 23 Nov 1863 > >OK i have found them in census 1871, 1881, and 1891 in St. Andrew Less, > Cambridge, Cambrideshire for the 30 years > > I found the birth index of their first child, James Charles Edwards,in > the > Birth index 1864 Q2-Apr-May-Jun E, the date my Grandfather gave me for > his > fathers birth was 7 Jun 1864 which means oh well you can tell what it > means. OK > here is my dilemma i found Elizabeth Sarah Charles in the index in Book 3b > volume > 1142 in Cambridge and the only John Edwards in that quarter was in > Royston is in > book 3a vol 233 On Ancestry i put in the book number and page number on > the > search of Elizabeth and the search brought up no Edwards man and when > doing the > same with the John of Royston i found no Charles woman. and i only have > Ancestry > for the US i couldn't afford the double international fee. > > i am lost at to what to do now, > > Gayla > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have always found the response for certificates from CAMDEX to be fast, usually within a day or two - the mail will obviously make it longer, but you should get it very soon, probably faster than if ordered through GRO. Good hunting. Maureen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gayla Hart Sent: 23 March 2007 02:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] help what do i do next? Wow, thank you all for the look ups, i have not found the actual documents, but i did go to camdex and order the certificate. does anyone know how long it might take to come in? the mistranscription sure had me confused, i have often found things on US census mistranscribed but i didn't know where to go with the index. thanks again. Gayla [email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Emma Cropley - 1841/51 census (Jon Whiting) 2. Re: Emma Cropley - 1841/51 census (Julie Cooper) 3. Re: help what do i do next? (Gayla Hart) 4. Re: help what do i do next? (Ruth) 5. Re: help what do i do next? (Maureen Allen) 6. Re: help what do i do next? (Paula Patterson) 7. Re: Emma Cropley - 1841/51 census (Jon Whiting) 8. Re: help what do i do next? (Sylvia Rawlings) 9. Re: help what do i do next? (June Hall) --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is are a couple of IGI submissions and an Ancestral File entry on the LDS website <familysearch.org> which are clearly connected: Date for marriage given as 23 Nov 1861. He is born 7 Jan 1841 in Cambridge, died 31 May 1918 also Cambridge; son of James Charles EDWARDS and Eliza Sara ELLIS. She is given as Elizabeth Sarah CHARLES, born 24 Sep 1845 and died 25 Dec 1910, again both Cambridge, parents James CHARLES and Ann FULLER. Might be worth a look, and perhaps trying to contact submitters? JK Paula Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: Gayla Looking on Camdex confirms that they were married in Cambridge in 1863. Checking the FreeBMD main site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl shows an entry for Elizabeth Sarah CHARLES for Dec 1863 Cambridge 3b Page 1142. Clicking on the page number shows that there are only 3 names for this page which means one of the grooms is 'missing'. Putting in John Edwards for the same quarter/year shows no Cambridge entries but there is one for Camberwell 1b 1142. Checking the image itself using the links provided shows that this has been mistranscribed and should be Cambridge 3b not Camberwell. So there is your missing John! HTH Paula ps I've put in a correction request for this to the FreeBMD site so hopefully it will be corrected sometime in the next 8 weeks or so. >Elizabeth Sarah Charles as per my grandfather married John B. Edwards in Cambridge >> 23 Nov 1863 >OK i have found them in census 1871, 1881, and 1891 in St. Andrew Less, Cambridge, Cambrideshire for the 30 years > I found the birth index of their first child, James Charles Edwards,in the Birth index 1864 Q2-Apr-May-Jun E, the date my Grandfather gave me for his fathers birth was 7 Jun 1864 which means oh well you can tell what it means. OK here is my dilemma i found Elizabeth Sarah Charles in the index in Book 3b volume 1142 in Cambridge and the only John Edwards in that quarter was in Royston is in book 3a vol 233 On Ancestry i put in the book number and page number on the search of Elizabeth and the search brought up no Edwards man and when doing the same with the John of Royston i found no Charles woman. and i only have Ancestry for the US i couldn't afford the double international fee. > i am lost at to what to do now, > Gayla ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gayla Looking on Camdex confirms that they were married in Cambridge in 1863. Checking the FreeBMD main site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl shows an entry for Elizabeth Sarah CHARLES for Dec 1863 Cambridge 3b Page 1142. Clicking on the page number shows that there are only 3 names for this page which means one of the grooms is 'missing'. Putting in John Edwards for the same quarter/year shows no Cambridge entries but there is one for Camberwell 1b 1142. Checking the image itself using the links provided shows that this has been mistranscribed and should be Cambridge 3b not Camberwell. So there is your missing John! HTH Paula ps I've put in a correction request for this to the FreeBMD site so hopefully it will be corrected sometime in the next 8 weeks or so. >Elizabeth Sarah Charles as per my grandfather married John B. Edwards in Cambridge >> 23 Nov 1863 >OK i have found them in census 1871, 1881, and 1891 in St. Andrew Less, Cambridge, Cambrideshire for the 30 years > I found the birth index of their first child, James Charles Edwards,in the Birth index 1864 Q2-Apr-May-Jun E, the date my Grandfather gave me for his fathers birth was 7 Jun 1864 which means oh well you can tell what it means. OK here is my dilemma i found Elizabeth Sarah Charles in the index in Book 3b volume 1142 in Cambridge and the only John Edwards in that quarter was in Royston is in book 3a vol 233 On Ancestry i put in the book number and page number on the search of Elizabeth and the search brought up no Edwards man and when doing the same with the John of Royston i found no Charles woman. and i only have Ancestry for the US i couldn't afford the double international fee. > i am lost at to what to do now, > Gayla

Thanks to Julie, Julia, Margaret and Lauretta for replies to my request. They're all much appreciated. I'm still not sure whether the Emma in Cambridge in 1841 is mine, but I now have Emma in Camberwell, Surrey, in 1851. Regards Jon

Hi I have looked at the Cambridge CAMDEX site and found the marriage John Edwards 331/CE040/01/335/1 - it cross references to Elizabeth Charles You can order direct, although it costs just a little extra. www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/community/bmd/camdex/ Good luck Maureen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gayla Hart Sent: 22 March 2007 20:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] help what do i do next? I haven't ordered any certificates in quite some time, but I used to go through Antony Lambert -- he was always very helpful & quick getting them to me here in New York. http://www.certificates.fsnet.co.uk/certificates.htm Good luck! Thanks for the suggestion ------------------------------- If you give us the details we may be able to help by looking at other sources.... Paula Elizabeth Sarah Charles as per my grandfather married John B. Edwards in Cambridge > 23 Nov 1863 OK i have found them in census 1871, 1881, and 1891 in St. Andrew Less, Cambridge, Cambrideshire for the 30 years I found the birth index of their first child, James Charles Edwards,in the Birth index 1864 Q2-Apr-May-Jun E, the date my Grandfather gave me for his fathers birth was 7 Jun 1864 which means oh well you can tell what it means. OK here is my dilemma i found Elizabeth Sarah Charles in the index in Book 3b volume 1142 in Cambridge and the only John Edwards in that quarter was in Royston is in book 3a vol 233 On Ancestry i put in the book number and page number on the search of Elizabeth and the search brought up no Edwards man and when doing the same with the John of Royston i found no Charles woman. and i only have Ancestry for the US i couldn't afford the double international fee. i am lost at to what to do now, Gayla ------------------------------ Gayla, if you found the two people in different volumes then that is not a match. If they were definitely married in Cambridgeshire you can try the CAMDEX site and see if the marriage is there and you can order the certificate straight from the Cambridge Register Office through that site. Sylvia in Perth, Western Australia. Thanks for the suggestion --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The name searchable BMD indexes on Ancestry (and in their original form on www.freebmd.org.uk) are not complete. They should only be used as a guide and checked against the original index pages - which are also available, for free, on Ancestry. Checking the Dec 1863 marriages on the latter there is an entry for John Edwards as well as Elizabeth Sarah Charles - both with the reference Cambridge 3b 1142. The certificate can be ordered online at www.gro.gov.uk. Ruth On 22/03/07, Gayla Hart <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Elizabeth Sarah Charles as per my grandfather married John B. Edwards in > Cambridge > > 23 Nov 1863 > OK i have found them in census 1871, 1881, and 1891 in St. Andrew Less, > Cambridge, Cambrideshire for the 30 years > I found the birth index of their first child, James Charles Edwards,in > the Birth index 1864 Q2-Apr-May-Jun E, the date my Grandfather gave me for > his fathers birth was 7 Jun 1864 which means oh well you can tell what it > means. OK here is my dilemma i found Elizabeth Sarah Charles in the index in > Book 3b volume 1142 in Cambridge and the only John Edwards in that quarter > was in Royston is in book 3a vol 233 On Ancestry i put in the book number > and page number on the search of Elizabeth and the search brought up no > Edwards man and when doing the same with the John of Royston i found no > Charles woman. and i only have Ancestry for the US i couldn't afford the > double international fee. > i am lost at to what to do now, > Gayla > >

Wow, thank you all for the look ups, i have not found the actual documents, but i did go to camdex and order the certificate. does anyone know how long it might take to come in? the mistranscription sure had me confused, i have often found things on US census mistranscribed but i didn't know where to go with the index. thanks again. Gayla [email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Emma Cropley - 1841/51 census (Jon Whiting) 2. Re: Emma Cropley - 1841/51 census (Julie Cooper) 3. Re: help what do i do next? (Gayla Hart) 4. Re: help what do i do next? (Ruth) 5. Re: help what do i do next? (Maureen Allen) 6. Re: help what do i do next? (Paula Patterson) 7. Re: Emma Cropley - 1841/51 census (Jon Whiting) 8. Re: help what do i do next? (Sylvia Rawlings) 9. Re: help what do i do next? (June Hall) --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.

Hi Jon, I found Emma on the Ancestry 1841 census as you said but found the name Cropley difficult to read and would never have known what it was if it hadn't been for the transcription. She was not born in Cambrigeshire. It shows her living with James Cropley aged 40, I think it says he was a Grocer but again, it is difficult to read.Living in Magdalene Street. Born in Cambridgeshire. Sub-registration district St.Giles, Civil parish St.Peter. Good luck, Julie. On 22/03/07, Jon Whiting <[email protected]> wrote: > The ancestry census index for 1841 shows Emma Cropley b. abt 1821 (HO107 > piece 86 book 14). She does not appear in the CFHS on-line transcription. > > Could someone please look her up and tell me who she was living with. Most > of her family were in India, and Emma married in 1855 at the age of 37, so I > am wondering what she was doing earlier. > > I have not found her in the 1851 census index. In 1855 she married John > Jones in Great Shelford, so I presume she may have been in Cambridgeshire in > 1851. If anyone knows of her, I would be grateful for further information. > > Regards > Jon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The ancestry census index for 1841 shows Emma Cropley b. abt 1821 (HO107 piece 86 book 14). She does not appear in the CFHS on-line transcription. Could someone please look her up and tell me who she was living with. Most of her family were in India, and Emma married in 1855 at the age of 37, so I am wondering what she was doing earlier. I have not found her in the 1851 census index. In 1855 she married John Jones in Great Shelford, so I presume she may have been in Cambridgeshire in 1851. If anyone knows of her, I would be grateful for further information. Regards Jon

Gayla, if you found the two people in different volumes then that is not a match. If they were definitely married in Cambridgeshire you can try the CAMDEX site and see if the marriage is there and you can order the certificate straight from the Cambridge Register Office through that site. Sylvia in Perth, Western Australia. On 3/22/07, Paula Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you give us the details we may be able to help by looking at other > sources.... > > Paula > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gayla Hart" <[email protected]> > To: "cambridgeshire" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:48 AM > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] help what do i do next? > > > > Marriages-in the index I have found the volume and page # for a marriage > > in cambridgeshire how do i go about looking at or getting a copy of the > > actual document? i am trying to find out the spouse name, as i found the > > woman in one volume and the man in another. > > Gayla in Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > > This email has been verified as Virus free > > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: > > 21/03/2007 07:52 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >