Hi Bob I use Family Tree Maker. I think it classifies it's relationships on blood relations, so by saying the 'husband of the aunt...' is showing that the blood line is between the aunt and the niece or nephew. Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "C R Rons" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] What is an Uncle > Bob > I always thought it is an Uncle by marriage. But when introducing him to > your children you would just say "This is Uncle........." > Chris Rons > Bob Ollier wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> Could somebody settle an argument please >> My wife has a brother-in-law and she insists that he is an uncle to our >> children. Every dictionary I've checked agrees with her, but I thought a >> blood relationship was necessary. Family Tree Maker gives the >> relationship as 'the husband of the aunt of ......'. Can anybody clarify >> this for me? >> Bob O >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bob I always thought it is an Uncle by marriage. But when introducing him to your children you would just say "This is Uncle........." Chris Rons Bob Ollier wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Could somebody settle an argument please > My wife has a brother-in-law and she insists that he is an uncle to our children. Every dictionary I've checked agrees with her, but I thought a blood relationship was necessary. Family Tree Maker gives the relationship as 'the husband of the aunt of ......'. Can anybody clarify this for me? > Bob O > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

i use Personal Ancestral File, and it also says that that man is Uncle to the child. Gayla --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hutchins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] What is an Uncle > It probably is as much about convention as anything. <SNIP> The convention may stem from this relationship being one of the prohibited degrees of relationship for marriage (until 1931). In this case the relationship(s) are stated as: A woman cannot marry her father's sister's husband OR mother's sister's husband (i.e. an 'uncle' by marriage). A man cannot marry his father's brother's wife OR mother's brother's wife (i.e. an 'aunt' by marriage). The prohibition was removed by The Marriage Act 1931 provided that the actual 'blood' aunt or uncle, as applicable was dead. Aside from that, the terms uncle and aunt tended to be pretty loosely applied. My mother's brothers-in-law were always known to me as 'Uncle' - but then so were the unmarried partners of both my grandmothers! Cheers, Cliff of Coventry

It probably is as much about convention as anything. In real terms he is an Uncle through marriage, therefore if he divorced your Wife's Sister technically he would no longer be an uncle. Mind you it looks like your lumbered with him :-) Bob Hutchins Email: [email protected] Website & Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ollier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] What is an Uncle > Thanks Bob, he is indeed the husband of my wifes sister. I can't > understand > why Family Tree Maker gives a different relationship. Are you sure that > this > isn't just a convention thing and not a true relationship. I know we all > believe as children that the man married to an aunt must be an uncle but > that dosen't make it a fact. I hope your wrong because I don't like the > guy > at all. > > Bob O > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Hutchins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] What is an Uncle > > >> Hi Bob >> If the Brother in law in question is married to your wife's Sister then >> yes >> he is an uncle to your children, just as you would be to any children >> they >> have >> >> Hope this helps :-) >> >> >> Bob Hutchins >> Email: [email protected] >> Website & Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Ollier" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:51 PM >> Subject: [ENG-CAMS] What is an Uncle >> >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Could somebody settle an argument please >>> My wife has a brother-in-law and she insists that he is an uncle to our >>> children. Every dictionary I've checked agrees with her, but I thought a >>> blood relationship was necessary. Family Tree Maker gives the >>> relationship >>> as 'the husband of the aunt of ......'. Can anybody clarify this for me? >>> Bob O >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: >>> 17/04/2007 >>> 04:43 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.0/763 - Release Date: 16/04/2007 >> 5:53 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 > 04:43 > >

Hi Bob If the Brother in law in question is married to your wife's Sister then yes he is an uncle to your children, just as you would be to any children they have Hope this helps :-) Bob Hutchins Email: [email protected] Website & Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ollier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] What is an Uncle > Hi everyone, > > Could somebody settle an argument please > My wife has a brother-in-law and she insists that he is an uncle to our > children. Every dictionary I've checked agrees with her, but I thought a > blood relationship was necessary. Family Tree Maker gives the relationship > as 'the husband of the aunt of ......'. Can anybody clarify this for me? > Bob O > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 > 04:43 > >

I am trying to check out more information on my husband’s family history, which as you will know is never as easy as doing your own as you do not know the background information fully, nor in this case the area as my father in law moved away around 1933. John and Sarah were my husband's great grandparents, and Alice was his Grandmother. His late father gave me a list of his mother's siblings, which I have below, but I have been unable to qualify 3 of them via census records. Can anyone advise me as to how I can confirm the validity of them? JOHN RUMBELOW was born Abt. 1848 in West Row Mildenhall, Suffolk. He married SARAH OKEY abt Dec 1870 in Vol 3b Page 1173 - Ely. Cambridgeshire. John died in an accident on the Great Eastern Railways - he was hit by a train. Burial took place after the issue of a Coroners Certificate. Some claim he was station master, but other documents claim railway labourer/plate layer. They lived at Chettisham but moved to Clayway Drove between 1881 and 1891. Children of JOHN RUMBELOW and SARAH OKEY are: EMMA JANE RUMBELOW, b. Jun 1871, Chettisham Cambs Jun-1871 Ely 3b 569; d. 1932, MARY RUMBELOW, b. Sep 1872, Chettisham, Cambs,; d. 1953. TOM RUMBELOW, b. 01 Sep 1874, Ely, ARTHUR RUMBELOW, b. Abt. Dec 1877, Ely, d. 1947. EDWARD RUMBELOW, b. Abt. Dec 1878, Ely, d. 1948; m. HENRIETTA WILDEN, 1905, ,Ely, ALICE RUMBELOW, b. 26 Feb 1881, Clayway Drove, Ely, d. 04 Sep 1981, Cottenham, Ely. HENRY (HARRY) RUMBELOW, b. Abt. 1884, Ely,; d. 14 Feb 1917, Clayway, Queen Adelaide,. ELIZA PAMELA RUMBELOW, b. Abt. 1885, Clayway Drove, Ely,; d. 1955. FREDERICK RUMBELOW, b. Jun 1887, Ely, Cambs; d. 03 May 1917, Arras, France Remembered with honour on the Arras Memorial; m. HILDA. ANNE RUMBELOW, b. Abt. Jun 1889, Clayway Drove, Ely, Cambridgeshire, England; d. Abt. 1959, Possibly Travelled/ Died On Titanic Not found on listings, but could have been married. SIDNEY RUMBELOW, b. Abt. Sep 1894, ,Ely, Cambridgeshire, England; d. Abt. 1964. These are the children identified by my late Father in Law identified these siblings of his Mum, who I cannot confirm EDITH RUMBELOW, NANCY RUMBELOW, who possibly emigrated To Canada RICHARD RUMBELOW, who is said to have moved To Doncaster to work at the Railway Works Kind Regards and thanks for any leads. Kay -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 04:43

In Search of anyone who is researching the RUST family of Littleport. Regards, Lance (Bremerton, WA)

In Search of Ann MENDAM of Littleport. Believe she was born about 1713, and lived in the the Littleport area. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Lance (Bremerton, WA)

Denise - What an absolute find. Doing what you suggested I found a song actually written about my GGGGrandfather Penson in Trentham, Staffordshire This is fantastic. And I thought I would get out into the garden this year............. Thank you so much Amanda Diane Geden <[email protected]> wrote: Wow what a find! I have also used google books, but not had that type of success - yet! Diane On 4/11/07, mggirl wrote: > > Hi Listers > > Not sure if I'm the only one to just find about this but thought it might > be > worth sharing - http://books.google.com/books > > What is Google Book Search? > Search the full text of books to find ones that interest you and learn > where > to buy or borrow them. > > How does Google Book Search work? > Book Search works just like web search.When we find a book whose content > contains a match for your search terms, we'll link to it in your search > results. Clicking on a book result, you'll be able to see everything from > a > few short excerpts to the entire book, depending on a few different > factors. > > > > I typed in 'Challis +Sawston' in the search for full text and found an > obituary for my 5x Gt Grandfather in 'The Gentleman's Magazine' of 1816. > > Under a page heading of 'Obituary; with Anecdotes of remarkable Persons' > it > gives the following paragraph : > > Aged 64, Mr Thomas Challis, farmer of Sawston, near Cambridge, much > esteemed; in all the duties of life, he was just, friendly and > affectionate. > He has left a widow and large family to lament the loss of a dear husband > and an affectionate father. > > A much fuller picture of a man I previously only looked at as > Farmer/Husband/Father to 8 with dates of birth, bap and burial ! > > Hope someone else finds a little gem. > I'm off to search some of my other family name and location combinations > :-) > > Regards > Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow what a find! I have also used google books, but not had that type of success - yet! Diane On 4/11/07, mggirl <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Listers > > Not sure if I'm the only one to just find about this but thought it might > be > worth sharing - http://books.google.com/books > > What is Google Book Search? > Search the full text of books to find ones that interest you and learn > where > to buy or borrow them. > > How does Google Book Search work? > Book Search works just like web search.When we find a book whose content > contains a match for your search terms, we'll link to it in your search > results. Clicking on a book result, you'll be able to see everything from > a > few short excerpts to the entire book, depending on a few different > factors. > > > > I typed in 'Challis +Sawston' in the search for full text and found an > obituary for my 5x Gt Grandfather in 'The Gentleman's Magazine' of 1816. > > Under a page heading of 'Obituary; with Anecdotes of remarkable Persons' > it > gives the following paragraph : > > Aged 64, Mr Thomas Challis, farmer of Sawston, near Cambridge, much > esteemed; in all the duties of life, he was just, friendly and > affectionate. > He has left a widow and large family to lament the loss of a dear husband > and an affectionate father. > > A much fuller picture of a man I previously only looked at as > Farmer/Husband/Father to 8 with dates of birth, bap and burial ! > > Hope someone else finds a little gem. > I'm off to search some of my other family name and location combinations > :-) > > Regards > Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carolyn I'm pretty sure we have the same people in our trees. I have scant information on a possible matching couple : George CHALLIS, born 1864 Sawston, died 1934 married Louisa UKNOWN, b 1860, died 1942 George's was the eldest of 6 children to Arthur James Challis (1832-1903) and Ruth Nicholls (1832-1917). Arthur was married previously to Julia unknown. No occupation details for George, but Arthur was an Auctioneer. FTM calculates George as my 2nd cousin 4 times removed. I shall have to post to the list more often :-] Look forward to hearing from (offlist if you'd prefer) Denise > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Carolyn McCartney > Sent: 12 April 2007 00:10 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Interesting website - suprising result/Challis > > Denise > Thanks for sharing that about Google Books - I had heard of > it but had no idea one could find obituaries. > I have a George Challis in my tree who married Louisa Barker > and they lived in Sawston. George was an Auctioneer and they > had no children. I have no dates on George as Louisa is my > direct line but she was born abt 1860 in Lea, Derbyshire. Any > connection do you think? > Kind regards > Carolyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mggirl > Sent: 11 April 2007 23:36 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Interesting website - suprising result > > Hi Listers > > Not sure if I'm the only one to just find about this but > thought it might be worth sharing - http://books.google.com/books > > What is Google Book Search? > Search the full text of books to find ones that interest you > and learn where to buy or borrow them. > > How does Google Book Search work? > Book Search works just like web search.When we find a book > whose content contains a match for your search terms, we'll > link to it in your search results. Clicking on a book result, > you'll be able to see everything from a few short excerpts to > the entire book, depending on a few different factors. > > > > I typed in 'Challis +Sawston' in the search for full text > and found an obituary for my 5x Gt Grandfather in 'The > Gentleman's Magazine' of 1816. > > Under a page heading of 'Obituary; with Anecdotes of > remarkable Persons' it gives the following paragraph : > > Aged 64, Mr Thomas Challis, farmer of Sawston, near > Cambridge, much esteemed; in all the duties of life, he was > just, friendly and affectionate. > He has left a widow and large family to lament the loss of a > dear husband and an affectionate father. > > A much fuller picture of a man I previously only looked at as > Farmer/Husband/Father to 8 with dates of birth, bap and burial ! > > Hope someone else finds a little gem. > I'm off to search some of my other family name and location > combinations :-) > > Regards > Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

....and I would be interested if any of my disappeared BLADES ancestors are included in the index. Clutching at straws again? Regards, Peter South Australia -----Original Message----- From: Lance L. Piatt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] "The Ely Methodists 1774-1932" by Eileen Jakes That is a good question. I would be interested in any GILLs (1820 - 1840). Regards, Lance (Bremerton, Washington)

Denise Thanks for sharing that about Google Books - I had heard of it but had no idea one could find obituaries. I have a George Challis in my tree who married Louisa Barker and they lived in Sawston. George was an Auctioneer and they had no children. I have no dates on George as Louisa is my direct line but she was born abt 1860 in Lea, Derbyshire. Any connection do you think? Kind regards Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mggirl Sent: 11 April 2007 23:36 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Interesting website - suprising result Hi Listers Not sure if I'm the only one to just find about this but thought it might be worth sharing - http://books.google.com/books What is Google Book Search? Search the full text of books to find ones that interest you and learn where to buy or borrow them. How does Google Book Search work? Book Search works just like web search.When we find a book whose content contains a match for your search terms, we'll link to it in your search results. Clicking on a book result, you'll be able to see everything from a few short excerpts to the entire book, depending on a few different factors. I typed in 'Challis +Sawston' in the search for full text and found an obituary for my 5x Gt Grandfather in 'The Gentleman's Magazine' of 1816. Under a page heading of 'Obituary; with Anecdotes of remarkable Persons' it gives the following paragraph : Aged 64, Mr Thomas Challis, farmer of Sawston, near Cambridge, much esteemed; in all the duties of life, he was just, friendly and affectionate. He has left a widow and large family to lament the loss of a dear husband and an affectionate father. A much fuller picture of a man I previously only looked at as Farmer/Husband/Father to 8 with dates of birth, bap and burial ! Hope someone else finds a little gem. I'm off to search some of my other family name and location combinations :-) Regards Denise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Not sure if I'm the only one to just find about this but thought it might be worth sharing - http://books.google.com/books What is Google Book Search? Search the full text of books to find ones that interest you and learn where to buy or borrow them. How does Google Book Search work? Book Search works just like web search.When we find a book whose content contains a match for your search terms, we'll link to it in your search results. Clicking on a book result, you'll be able to see everything from a few short excerpts to the entire book, depending on a few different factors. I typed in 'Challis +Sawston' in the search for full text and found an obituary for my 5x Gt Grandfather in 'The Gentleman's Magazine' of 1816. Under a page heading of 'Obituary; with Anecdotes of remarkable Persons' it gives the following paragraph : Aged 64, Mr Thomas Challis, farmer of Sawston, near Cambridge, much esteemed; in all the duties of life, he was just, friendly and affectionate. He has left a widow and large family to lament the loss of a dear husband and an affectionate father. A much fuller picture of a man I previously only looked at as Farmer/Husband/Father to 8 with dates of birth, bap and burial ! Hope someone else finds a little gem. I'm off to search some of my other family name and location combinations :-) Regards Denise

Hi All Just wondering if some kind soul on this list posesses the latest "Cambridgeshire Baptism Index (all dates)" CD if they could look up a Robert Sargison (christened about 1742). He married and had children in Long Sutton, Lincs which is right on the border with Cambridgeshire). Thanking you all in advance for your assistance and would be happy to assist same. Regards from Sydney, Australia Colin Martin

That is a good question. I would be interested in any GILLs (1820 - 1840). Regards, Lance (Bremerton, Washington)

NBI 2nd edition has the following entries: 1809 WISBECH ST PETER ROBERT SARGISSON NO AGE OR FULL DATE GIVEN 15 AUG 1781 EPWORTH LINCS ST ANDREW ROBERT SEARJEANTSON NO AGE GIVEN 1826 WISBECH ST PETER ROBERT SARGISON AGED 6M NO FULL DATE Bob Hutchins Email: [email protected] Website & Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Martin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Christening record of Robert SARGISON (chr c 1742) > Hi All > > Just wondering if some kind soul on this list posesses the latest > "Cambridgeshire Baptism Index (all dates)" CD if they could look up a > Robert Sargison (christened about 1742). He married and had children > in Long Sutton, Lincs which is right on the border with Cambridgeshire). > > Thanking you all in advance for your assistance and would be happy to > assist same. > > Regards from Sydney, Australia > > Colin Martin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 > 22:59 > >

Greetings, Does anyone have a copy of this publication at their fingertips? "The Ely Methodists 1774-1932" by Eileen Jakes 1988 I am interested in simply knowing what references there are to the following pages. TUCK, H. page 10 TUCK, The Rev. Henry pages 26, 82 TIA, Doug TUCK-Walker

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