Hi Paul, Thanks for your reply, WE know that William Pateman was baptised in 1831 at Bisom Bucks. His Parents were John and Jane. Later Charles was baptised in Woodmancote in Hampshire. They have connections with Major Patemans Family in Toddington Beds. WE have not been able to find them on the 1841 CENSUS. Thanks again Regards Dave Pateman . -----Original Message----- From: Paul Irving [mailto:pauljirving@ntlworld.com] Sent: 24 October 2007 21:24 To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] PATEMAN family Do you have any idea of their ages? It'd help to identify them. Also, the names & ages of any known children & other relatives who might be with them. By roots, do you mean born there? If you know which counties they were born in, it'd also help identify them. So far, none of the 4 adult Janes I've found in the 1841 census seems a good prospect. None is paired with an adult John. There are far more Johns. Paul DAVID PATEMAN wrote: > Help needed with brick wall please > > > > Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling basket > makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although > they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and > were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of > the century + or – > > We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before > 1831 > > Any help gratefully appreciated > > Susie and Dave Pateman > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: 23/10/2007 > 19:39 > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 2007/10/24 14:31 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 24/10/2007 14:31

Dave, You say that John and Jane PATEMAN were travellers, so are you aware that the Romany and Traveller FHS http://www.rtfhs.org.uk/ have published a book by John PATEMAN: SEVEN STEPS TO GLORY - PRIVATE PATEMAN GOES TO WAR D. DAVID PATEMAN wrote: > Hi Paul, > Thanks for your reply, > WE know that William Pateman was baptised in 1831 at Bisom Bucks. > > His Parents were John and Jane. Later Charles was baptised in Woodmancote in > Hampshire. > They have connections with Major Patemans Family in Toddington Beds. > WE have not been able to find them on the 1841 CENSUS. > > Thanks again Regards Dave Pateman . > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Irving [mailto:pauljirving@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 24 October 2007 21:24 > To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] PATEMAN family > > Do you have any idea of their ages? It'd help to identify them. Also, > the names & ages of any known children & other relatives who might be > with them. > > By roots, do you mean born there? If you know which counties they were > born in, it'd also help identify them. > > So far, none of the 4 adult Janes I've found in the 1841 census seems a > good prospect. None is paired with an adult John. There are far more Johns. > > Paul > > > > DAVID PATEMAN wrote: >> Help needed with brick wall please >> >> >> >> Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling > basket >> makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although >> they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and >> were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of >> the century + or – >> >> We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before >> 1831 >> >> Any help gratefully appreciated >> >> Susie and Dave Pateman >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: > 23/10/2007 >> 19:39 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 2007/10/24 14:31 >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 24/10/2007 > 14:31 > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

=Hi Dave, This is probably a long shot but... In my hawker Gypsy families they often used the surname of the mother. For example, in my Gregory family, several of the children were baptised as Gregory (father's name), some as Lee (the mother's surname) and even a couple as Smith (the maternal grandmother's name!). This was not dependent on whether they were married or not. Could it be that your Pateman family could be using the wife's family name in the 1841 census? Best wishes, Jackie

Hi Dianne Yes we have his books and have met him. Thanks for your interest anyhow very kind of you to bother Dave Dave, You say that John and Jane PATEMAN were travellers, so are you aware that the Romany and Traveller FHS http://www.rtfhs.org.uk/ have published a book by John PATEMAN: SEVEN STEPS TO GLORY - PRIVATE PATEMAN GOES TO WAR D. DAVID PATEMAN wrote: > Hi Paul, > Thanks for your reply, > WE know that William Pateman was baptised in 1831 at Bisom Bucks. > > His Parents were John and Jane. Later Charles was baptised in Woodmancote in > Hampshire. > They have connections with Major Patemans Family in Toddington Beds. > WE have not been able to find them on the 1841 CENSUS. > > Thanks again Regards Dave Pateman . > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Irving [mailto:pauljirving@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 24 October 2007 21:24 > To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] PATEMAN family > > Do you have any idea of their ages? It'd help to identify them. Also, > the names & ages of any known children & other relatives who might be > with them. > > By roots, do you mean born there? If you know which counties they were > born in, it'd also help identify them. > > So far, none of the 4 adult Janes I've found in the 1841 census seems a > good prospect. None is paired with an adult John. There are far more Johns. > > Paul > > > > DAVID PATEMAN wrote: >> Help needed with brick wall please >> >> >> >> Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling > basket >> makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although >> they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and >> were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of >> the century + or – >> >> We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before >> 1831 >> >> Any help gratefully appreciated >> >> Susie and Dave Pateman >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: > 23/10/2007 >> 19:39 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 2007/10/24 14:31 >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 24/10/2007 > 14:31 > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 26/10/2007 19:54