Hi. Paul Thank you very much for the reply and comments. I have tracked Thomas Coleman in the 1871, 1881, 1891, and 1901 census. You gave me the 1871 census where he was in Sevenoaks Kent. His age in all census records ends in 9. I will order the certificates later as at present the money is going for certificates for decendents of Thomas's son William. I don't even know if I have the correct Coleman family that had a daughter marry an Harold Alderson in Brackley in 1936. Harold his my great uncle. He disappeared after the Frist World War. With the help of the Alderson Family History Society we found a death for a Harold Patrick Alderson in 1972 in Cardiff. The birth date on the death was the same as my Harold. From a newspaper death notice I discovered that Harold had a wife Alice, daughter Alice, son in law David and grandchildren. A search of the marriage index for all Harold Alderson marriages between 1919 and 1972 cross reference to births of a child named Alice Alderson gave me the marriage Harold Alderson to Alice Coleman in Brackley in 1936 and the daughter Alice born in Derby in 1939. From the marriage certificate Alice's father was a William Coleman. William was dead at time of the marriage. The mother Alice died in 1975 in Cardiff and the daughter Alice married in Carrdiff in 1958. On the death index Alice's date of birth is given as 3 June 1908 so I checked the 1901 census for any William Coleman in the Brackley area. I may be wrong in my family connection as I just checked FreeBMD and came up with a birth for an Alice Coleman registered not in Brackley but in Luton in the June Qtr 1908. So I am ordering the mother Alice's death certificate to confirm place of birth and the daughter Alice's marriage to check on her age. Getting back to William Alice's father. The 1901 census gave me that William was married to an Amelia Annie. Based on Williams age I traced him to the Thomas we have been tracking. At present I am trying to gather as much information that I can hoping that I do have the correct family. Amelia Annie's family was a little easier as her name is not common. Paul if you don't mind would you check the 1841 census again for any other Thomas Coleman in Turweston. I know that the 1841 census had the age rounded up or down in a lot of cases. Thank you for your time. I did get a little long winded. Glen Alderson Calgary Alberta Canada