FreeBMD shows George Norris TOMS birth was registered in Lambeth, March quarter (i.e. January to March) 1890. That's consistent with him being born on November 30th. Birth was supposed to be registered within 6 weeks. Births Mar 1890 Toms George Norris Lambeth Volume 1d Page 488 If you get his birth certificate (£7 last time I bought one, available online from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp - they take credit & debit cards), using the FreeBMD reference above, it will confirm his parents, including his mothers maiden name, & their address. They should be in the same area - perhaps at the same address - in the 1891 census, as there are other children born in Lambeth after the census - Births Dec 1893 Toms Sydney Alfred D Lambeth 1d 462 Births Mar 1897 Toms Grace Maud Lambeth 1d 538 Births Mar 1898 Toms Frances Alice Lambeth 1d 349 But I can't see them in the 1901 census. Emigrated already? All the TOMS in Lambeth in 1901 - View Name Age Where born Administrative county Civil parish Occupation Ada Toms 30 Ldn Sambeth London Lambeth Albert Toms 32 Ldn Kennington London Lambeth Magistrates Clerk Alexander Toms 0 Ldn Brixton London Lambeth Juvenile Arthur G Toms 21 London St Georges E London Lambeth Clerk Ironmonges Elizabeth Toms 71 London London Lambeth Pensioner Formerly Governess Ethel Toms 10 London Brixton London Lambeth Juvenile Frederick Toms 3 London Brixton London Lambeth Juvenile Gertrude L Toms 21 South Norwood Of London Lambeth Hedley A Toms 37 Devon Plymouth London Lambeth Examining Officer H M Customs Horace J Toms 22 South Norwood Surr Of London Lambeth Solicitors Clerk View Name Age Where born Administrative county Civil parish Occupation Isabel M Toms 47 Devon Stonehouse London Lambeth Isabella Toms 72 Scotland London Lambeth Jessie Toms 52 Gloucester Bristol London Lambeth John Toms 49 Devon Stonehouse London Lambeth Retired Sanitary Engineer John B Toms 57 Kensington Of London Lambeth Salesman Antique Furniture Joseph Toms 46 Bucks Amersham London Lambeth Bricklayers Labourer Margaret A Toms 36 London Kennington London Lambeth Tale Woman Mary Toms 34 Bucks Prestwood London Lambeth Domestic Mary L Toms 51 Devon Plymouth London Lambeth William Toms 34 London Kennington London Lambeth Minicipal Clerk If you look in the 1881 census, you see that Joseph TOMS, born Amersham, had a younger brother John, aged 17 - i.e. born about 1864. There are a few Jane DICKENS about, including one from "Buckingham", a couple of years older than John, working as a servant in Camberwell, adjacent to Lambeth. Ah! The Amersham lot look right. Again on FreeBMD - Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%) DICKENS Jane Amersham 3a 585 TOMS John Morris Amersham 3a 585 And - TOMS George Morris Amersham 3a 585 Looks as if John & one of his brothers married around the same time, maybe even the same day. The marriage certificate should give names & occupations of the fathers of both bride & groom. Paul > > From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2008/06/16 Mon AM 05:14:42 GMT > To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ENG-Buck] TOMS, 1889, Buckingham, England > > Hi, I'm looking for information on my GGGrandparents & there families. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank-you! Sherrie > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > Descendants of John Toms > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. John TOMS was born Dec 1865. He married Jane DICKENS, daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. > > > Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckingham, England. > > ii. SIDNEY TOMS, b. Sep 1893, England. > > 3. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, England; d. 20 Jul 1983. > > > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS (JOHN) was born 30 Nov 1889 in Buckingham, England. He married (1) ALEMETA HENRICTA CAMBRAY, daughter of TOM CAMBRAY and MINNIE MCMAUGH. She was born 27 Jul 1896 in Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada. He married (2) HILDA. > > > Child of GEORGE TOMS and ALEMETA CAMBRAY is: > > 4. i. PEARL MABLE TOMS, b. 25 Dec 1915, Lincoln Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada; d. 09 Jul 1990, Chino, San Bernardino County, California, U.S.A. > > 3. MABLE ALICE L.TOMS (JOHN) was born Oct 1897 in England, and died 20 Jul 1983. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam