Hi Sandra and Firebird, Many thanks for the information and you have also answered another question I had regarding what the 'private' meant next to an entry. In Williams case there was no such note but your explanations make perfect sense. It would appear he well and truely improved in strength as went on to marry and have 10 children. Many thanks for the help Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] Duplicate Baptism query > Hi Judith, > > The worst sin was for a baby to die unbaptised, so if the babe was sickly > and not expected to live either the midwife or the summoned vicar would > perform a baptism at the place of birth. (Usually noted as private or > privately baptised in the register). > > Part of the baptism service is for a child to be received into the > congregation of the church and this obviously couldn't happen in this > case. > Later, if the child survived, this second baptism occured at the church to > ensure the child was received into the congregation. In my experience, > this > was usually 2-3 months after the original baptism. > > Sometimes, although it doesn't apply in your case, parents forgot that a > child had already been baptised and some years later you may find another > baptism, usually with a group of siblings, where the parents had several > children of varying ages baptised at the same time. > > Hope this helps > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judith" <jbyrne1260@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:10 PM > Subject: [ENG-Buck] Duplicate Baptism query > > >> My first foray into Parish registers has left me scratching my head and >> I'm hoping someone may have an idea about the following. >> > snip > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Judith, The worst sin was for a baby to die unbaptised, so if the babe was sickly and not expected to live either the midwife or the summoned vicar would perform a baptism at the place of birth. (Usually noted as private or privately baptised in the register). Part of the baptism service is for a child to be received into the congregation of the church and this obviously couldn't happen in this case. Later, if the child survived, this second baptism occured at the church to ensure the child was received into the congregation. In my experience, this was usually 2-3 months after the original baptism. Sometimes, although it doesn't apply in your case, parents forgot that a child had already been baptised and some years later you may find another baptism, usually with a group of siblings, where the parents had several children of varying ages baptised at the same time. Hope this helps Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith" <jbyrne1260@hotmail.com> To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: [ENG-Buck] Duplicate Baptism query > My first foray into Parish registers has left me scratching my head and > I'm hoping someone may have an idea about the following. > snip

Judith wrote: > My first foray into Parish registers has left me scratching my head > and I'm hoping someone may have an idea about the following. > > Parish register for Ivinghoe Bucks, 1823 Baptism I have on one page > on 3 September the baptism for a William Wells (with no birth date) > born to Thomas & Elizabeth Wells of Ivinghoe with his occpation > being a Labourer. > > Then on the next page of the register I have 7 December William > (born Aug 9 1823) to Thomas and Elizabeth Wells of Ivinghoe with > his occupation being a Labourer. The only difference between the > two baptism records is the minister who performed the baptism. > > Has anyone else come across this at all? Is it possible they just > decided to baptise William twice? It's not too unusual and there could be several reasons for it. The most likely would appear to be that William was a sickly child who was baptised privately, proved to be more robust than anticipated and the second date was when he was received into the church. A private baptism is noted most of the time, but not all ways. The date received into the church isn't noted most of the time. Where it is noted, it doesn't always have "received into church" beside the entry. It very much depends on the incumbent and/or whoever was making up the registers. Other reasons might be that the parents had forgotten, or the incumbent was rounding up all those children who hadn't been baptised. However, given the close proximity in the register of the two events, I don't think either applies in your case.

My first foray into Parish registers has left me scratching my head and I'm hoping someone may have an idea about the following. Parish register for Ivinghoe Bucks, 1823 Baptism I have on one page on 3 September the baptism for a William Wells (with no birth date) born to Thomas & Elizabeth Wells of Ivinghoe with his occpation being a Labourer. Then on the next page of the register I have 7 December William (born Aug 9 1823) to Thomas and Elizabeth Wells of Ivinghoe with his occupation being a Labourer. The only difference between the two baptism records is the minister who performed the baptism. Has anyone else come across this at all? Is it possible they just decided to baptise William twice? many thanks Judith

Ray, you might like to see if Wolverton and District Arch and Hist Soc, who cover Stony as well as Wolverton and Bradwell have any info about the location of the buildings. http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/wdahs/Archive/stony.html Also remember that what we know as Stony Stratford nowadays was once two parishes and the one on the east side of Watling Street was Wolverton St Mary. See http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/bkm/StonyStratford/Index.html Eusebius1 wrote: > Hi Alan, > Thanks for your information, My 5x GG William Hudson was renting a property from > this William Rogers in Stony Stratford, I am trying to establish where the property was > in the High Street. Two years ago I spent a memorable ten days in Stony and walked > the area. > > Regards Ray Hudson Perth, Western Australia.

My thoughts: One is actually the birth register ? Do you have a death for young William? Possibly he was ill/dying so he was Baptized again? I have many certificates and never came across this. Good luck with your search. Nancy Nancy Langdon Webb New York USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: [ENG-Buck] Duplicate Baptism query My first foray into Parish registers has left me scratching my head and I'm hoping someone may have an idea about the following.

Hi Alan, Thanks for your information, My 5x GG William Hudson was renting a property from this William Rogers in Stony Stratford, I am trying to establish where the property was in the High Street. Two years ago I spent a memorable ten days in Stony and walked the area. Regards Ray Hudson Perth, Western Australia.

Stony Stratford and Cosgrove are so close to the border try looking in Northants as well. I have Rogers' in my tree and they came from around Weedon and Flore, which are about 10 miles north of Stony Stratford on the Watling Street, A5 on modern maps, which runs right through the middle of Stony. The Watling Street was the old coaching route from North Wales to London so movement up or down it would not be unusual. Regards Alan wyatt _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com

Hello List, Is there anyone on the list who has either of these two on their family tree, unfortunately the only time period I have is 1788 to 1796. 1..Thomas Redgrave. 2..William Rogers..I believe this chap could have been a Baker who in this period moved from Stony Stratford just across the border into Gosgrove and became a farmer. It appears he had property at numbers 70, 70a and 70b High Street, Stony Stratford. If any of this rings a bell please contact. Ray Hudson Perth, Western Australia.

The annual Open Day of the Oxfordshire Family History Society takes place next Saturday 22 September 2007 at Kidlington. Full details are at www.ofhs.org.uk/OpenDay.html with details of visiting stallholders. Both Bucks societies will be attending with their ranges of products - the Buckinghamshire Family History Society www.bucksfhs.org.uk and the Buckinghamshire Genealogical Society www.bucksgs.org.uk/ The Oxfordshire FHS will have its range of books & CDs, along with computer searches and helpdesk available, with plenty of volunteers to provide help. It's free, and should be an enjoyable day. If any lister is coming, I'll be there, and be delighted to put a face to a name ! Wendy List Admin eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com

Hi there Could anyone help with a census query? I am trying to find a familey of a James Baker Luddington in the 1861 and 1871 census. I have him in the 1851 at Joiners Lane, Lavingdon, bucks. And I have him a 6 Wickham St, London, Middlesex in the 1881. But he seems to have disapered in 1861-71? Could anyone help? Regards Paul Luddington -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 704 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi 1861 census: 35 Dean Street, Islington, London James B Ladington Head Widow 41 ? ? Lab, Bucks Frederick B Son 15 Brickfields Lab Bucks Mary A 14 Bucks Elizabeth 9 Bucks Thomas L 5 Son (RG9 , Piece 147, Page 24, GSU roll 542581) Couldn't find in 1871 - sorry> From: pluddington007@tiscali.co.uk> To: ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:12:13 +0100> Subject: [ENG-Buck] James b Luddington> > Hi there> Could anyone help with a census query? I am trying to find a familey of a James Baker Luddington in the 1861 and 1871 census.> I have him in the 1851 at Joiners Lane, Lavingdon, bucks.> And I have him a 6 Wickham St, London, Middlesex in the 1881.> But he seems to have disapered in 1861-71?> Could anyone help?> > Regards> Paul Luddington > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.> It has removed 704 spam emails to date.> Paying users do not have this message in their emails.> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len> _____________________________________________> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

Hello, I have forwarded this from the Wigtownshire List with kind permission of Anton McLoughlin. I have tried to trace some records in non-conformist Bucks Churches and it can be very difficult. Diane >From: "Anton McLoughlin" <emayl4me@btinternet.com> >To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WIG LIST] New BDM site opening 14 Sep >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:35:03 +0100 > >Hi Listers >14 Sep sees the launch of a new site of interest. > >www.bmdregisters.co.uk > >This is a ppv site but is very unusual in content. > >In the National Archives in Kew there are what is loosely called "Non >Conformist" registers deposited. > >Non Conformist means not Church of England and covers a wide range. > >This site is set up as a joint venture with Nat Archives. > >The fist batch wii be >RG4 : GRO registers of BDMs surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers >Commission of 1837 and 1857 covering 1567-1858 > >RG5 : GRO bith certs from the Presbyterian, Independent and Baptist >Registry and from the Wesleyan Mehtodist Metropolitan Registry 1742-1840 > >Then gradually the following will be added: >RG6 : Society of Friends (Quakers) registers, notes and certificates of >BDMs 1578-1841 > >RG7 : Registers of clandestine marriages and baprisms in the Fleet >Prison, Kings Bench Prison, The Mint and May Fair chapel 1667-1777 > >RG8 : Registers of BDMs ussrrendered to the Non-parochial Registers >Commission 1857 and other registers and church records 1646-1970 >includes: >British Lying-in Hospital Holborn 1749-1868 >Bunhill Fields Burial Ground Hackney from 1713 >Chapel Royal Windsor Castle from 1525 >Chapel Royal Whitehall from 1540 >Chapel Royal St Jame's Palace from 1540 >Victoria Park Cemetery London from 1853 >New Burial Ground Southwark from 1840 >Bethnal Greeen Protestant Dissenters Burial Ground from 1793 > >RG32 : Misc Foreign returns of Births Baptisms Marriages and Deaths and >Burials abroad and on British and foreign ships of British Subjects, >Nationals of the Colonies the Commonwealth and countries under British >jusrisdiction 1831-1969 > >RG33 : Foreign Registers and Returns, includes births, baptisms, >marriages, deaths and burials abroad (incl Lundy Island)and on British >and foreign ships of British Subjects, Nationals of the Colonies the >Commonwealth and countries under British jusrisdiction and some foreign >nationals. Includes original registers kept by incumbents of English >churches and missions, Brisitsh Embassies and legations and political >agents 1627-1960 > >RG34 : Misc and foreign marriage returns. Marriage certs issued by >foreign registration authorities and churches, copies of registers kept >by incumbents of English churches and chap;ains, notifications of >marriages of servicemen during service abroad and docs deposited for >safe keeping 1826-1921. > >RG35 : Misc foreign death returns 1830-1921. a sfor marriages above but >also includes incoplete collection of Bristish military deaths in France >and Belgium 1914-1921 issued by the registration authorities of those >countries. > >RG36 : Registers and Returns of BDMs in the Protectorates etc of Africa >nd Asia notifications forwarded by officials responsible for civil >registration under administrative ordinances in Nyasaland, Kenya, >Somaliland, Ugands, Sudan, Palestine, Sarawak, Malays incl Johore and >Selangor and British North Borneo 1895-1965 > >BT158 : Register of BDMs of passengers at sea 1854-1890 > >BT159 : Registers of Deaths at sea of British nationals 1875-1888 > >BT160 : Registers of BDMs at sea of British nationals 1857-1891 > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com

Nathan Murphy wrote: > Here's a helpful website This poster is employed by the company whose site that is and was making a commercial post which is not allowed under Rootsweb rules which he knew to be the case. It's what's known as a "come on".

Here's a helpful website: http://www.pricegen.com/english_genealogy.html Nathan

I'm posting this notice in case the lady was lost by someone. Taken from Lasting Tribute website: http://www.lastingtribute.co.uk/ Cheers, Celia in Chesterfield UK QUINN (nee Dormer) Sybil Katharine. Of Oakwood, Derby, formerly of Wolverton, Bucks, passed away suddenly on Wednesday June 1st 2005. Dearly beloved wife of 50 years to John, loving mother to Stuart and Allison and mother-in-law to Denise and Steve, grandma and nana to Jennifer, Gareth and Matthew, she will be sorely missed by all who knew her. Her funeral service will be held on Monday June 13th, 11.00am in All Saints Church, Breadsall, followed by burial at Nottingham Road Cemetery, Chaddesden. Floral tributes may be sent to Midlands Co-Operative Funeral Services, 177 Chaddesden Lane, Chaddesden, Derby. They say time heals and maybe it does, But memories last and so does love.

Hi Listers, I'm trying to find information about STANLEY HALE born July/Aug 1903 in Glasgow Scotland. He was the son of DANIEL and ARTHURINE HALE - Daniel was in the Army and stationed in Glasgow in 1903. STANLEY also was a Military career man. Is he one of yours? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks Gill (B.C. Canada)

Hello, Does anyone know how I can see an actual copy of the parish records for Little Marlow? My gt gt Grandfather, Henry William Dunwoody claimed to hail from Marlow/Hedsor on census records. He was born 1809 - 1812. There is a good match in Little Marlow, 20/3/1812 parents William and Sarah Dunwoody. The problem is that my Henry William claimed that his father was called John. However, there are two other Dunwoody births in the same parish around the same time. Elizabeth Ann, (3/3/1806) and Mary Ann, (19/2/1809). They were the daughters of John and Sarah Dunwoody. I have gathered this information from transcripts, and there is no other information given, (such as occupation). I have only found 15 Dunwoody births between 1745 - 1812 in this area, (Marlow,Wooburn), so it was a fairly uncommon name there. Interestingly, the son of Henry William married twice, and put 'John' as his father's name on both marriages! I know he was the son of Henry William due to his middle names and oral history about his Mother. I'm very confused! Diane _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

I would greatly appreciate a copy if that's O.K. My e-mail is jeffbet@bigpond.com Many thanks Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:48 AM Subject: [ENG-Buck] Aylesbury - Walton 1841 census transcript > First draft finished two minutes ago! > > I'll go over some entries I'm not sure of first, but I'll soon be > sending it out to the usual checkers. > Anyone who wants an advance - unchecked - copy is welcome, & I'd be > grateful for comments & corrections. > > Paul > _____________________________________________ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul I'd love a copy if possible please? Happy to feed back comments too if you wish Cheers Meegan -----Original Message----- From: eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Irving Sent: Friday, 31 August 2007 6:18 AM To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-Buck] Aylesbury - Walton 1841 census transcript First draft finished two minutes ago! I'll go over some entries I'm not sure of first, but I'll soon be sending it out to the usual checkers. Anyone who wants an advance - unchecked - copy is welcome, & I'd be grateful for comments & corrections. Paul _____________________________________________ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message