Oh, and this - 1871 census - Amersham Union Workhouse Ann SMITH W (widow?) 50 Housekeeper Dom Serv born Monmouth Newport David 15 Scholar b Cardigan Cardigan John 13 Ellen 12 Haris 10 b Bucks Chesham All described as "Inmate" Paul liz wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to this list and am looking to find the family of Ellen Smith. In 1881 she is listed as being in Amersham Workhouse age 22 single born Cardigan. I believe that she was living at Amersham/Chesham in the 1861 and 1871 census and wonder if sks could see if they can find her there with any parents and siblings. > > Thank you for any help with this request. > Best Wishes > > Liz > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Many thanks to Paul Irving for finding Ellen SMITH with her parents in the 1861 census for me. Regards Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] 1861/71 Census look-up ELLEN SMITH please > Looks as if you're right - > > 1861- > Botley Road, Botley, Chesham > > Harris SMITH 48 Pensioner b Chesham > Ann do Wife 40 b Newport MON Wales > Caroline do Dau 8 b Limerick Limerick IRL > David do Son 5 b Cardigan CGN Wales > John do do 3 do > Ellen do Dau 2 do > > > Paul > > liz wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am new to this list and am looking to find the family of Ellen Smith. >> In 1881 she is listed as being in Amersham Workhouse age 22 single born >> Cardigan. I believe that she was living at Amersham/Chesham in the 1861 >> and 1871 census and wonder if sks could see if they can find her there >> with any parents and siblings. >> >> Thank you for any help with this request. >> Best Wishes >> >> Liz >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: > 03/11/2007 21:42 > >

Looks as if you're right - 1861- Botley Road, Botley, Chesham Harris SMITH 48 Pensioner b Chesham Ann do Wife 40 b Newport MON Wales Caroline do Dau 8 b Limerick Limerick IRL David do Son 5 b Cardigan CGN Wales John do do 3 do Ellen do Dau 2 do Paul liz wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to this list and am looking to find the family of Ellen Smith. In 1881 she is listed as being in Amersham Workhouse age 22 single born Cardigan. I believe that she was living at Amersham/Chesham in the 1861 and 1871 census and wonder if sks could see if they can find her there with any parents and siblings. > > Thank you for any help with this request. > Best Wishes > > Liz > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi, I am new to this list and am looking to find the family of Ellen Smith. In 1881 she is listed as being in Amersham Workhouse age 22 single born Cardigan. I believe that she was living at Amersham/Chesham in the 1861 and 1871 census and wonder if sks could see if they can find her there with any parents and siblings. Thank you for any help with this request. Best Wishes Liz

Presumably from the original parish register. According to his notes, Dexter worked from film of the BTs, using an older partial transcript to help him decipher parts. I've noticed an earlier gap in the BTs for which the original register (as on the film in the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies) has entries. Would be nice if someone with access to that would fill out the gaps in Dexters otherwise excellent work. Paul Chris Rendle wrote: > Dear Paul, > > Thank you for finding Ann Byrne LANGFELL. We did receive info on Mary > LANGFILL's details from another lister as follows: > > 1801 > Mary D. James & Ann Southern Langfile born 26 July, bapt 20 Sept. > > Regards, > Rosie and Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] LANGFILL Bledlow > > > >> The Bledlow PR transcript of Dexter Eustis, online at >> http://www.lanchbury.id.au/genealogy/bledlow1800.html (19th century ) >> shows - >> >> 1804 >> Ann Byrne dau of James & Ann Southern Langfell born 6 July bapt 2 Sep >> >> Unfortunately, his source lacked anything between 4th May 1800 & April >> 1802, which may include Marys christening. >> >> Paul >> > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear Paul, Thank you for finding Ann Byrne LANGFELL. We did receive info on Mary LANGFILL's details from another lister as follows: 1801 Mary D. James & Ann Southern Langfile born 26 July, bapt 20 Sept. Regards, Rosie and Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] LANGFILL Bledlow > The Bledlow PR transcript of Dexter Eustis, online at > http://www.lanchbury.id.au/genealogy/bledlow1800.html (19th century ) > shows - > > 1804 > Ann Byrne dau of James & Ann Southern Langfell born 6 July bapt 2 Sep > > Unfortunately, his source lacked anything between 4th May 1800 & April > 1802, which may include Marys christening. > > Paul

Have found 5 Pauling entries in Boyds Marriage Index which have Vic. Gen. after them and nothing else. These were copied down years ago & are now of interest. I have found a site which has info on 1690s onwards but not for this time frame 1667 - 1685. I believe they are all Bucks & Oxon. One in particular is Leonard Pauling 1667, as this is a family name going back to late 1600s in Oakley Bucks, it is of great interest. The Oakley registers & churchwarden accounts don't cover this period so no joy there, any ideas on where to find the original entries. Regards Norina _________________________________________________________________ Free update to Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

The Bledlow PR transcript of Dexter Eustis, online at http://www.lanchbury.id.au/genealogy/bledlow1800.html (19th century ) shows - 1804 Ann Byrne dau of James & Ann Southern Langfell born 6 July bapt 2 Sep Unfortunately, his source lacked anything between 4th May 1800 & April 1802, which may include Marys christening. Paul Chris Rendle wrote: > Dear List, > > We have a James LANGFILL, Excise Officer, who seems to have been stationed > in Southwark, London, in 1797, Henley in around 1808 and Oxford 1816-1819. > > But one of the children of James and his wife Ann (nee SOUTHERN) gives her > place of birth as Bledlow, Buckinghamshire, in the 1861 Census. > > This was Mary, born about 1801. > > Hoping someone can provide information on baptisms of Mary and any other > LANGFILLs/LANGFELLs in Bledlow or nearby around that time, please. > > Regards, > Rosie and Chris > Plymouth UK > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Sorry Chris. There NO LANGFILL or LANGFELL down on my copy of the P Rs Sheila Dear List, We have a James LANGFILL, Excise Officer, who seems to have been stationed in Southwark, London, in 1797, Henley in around 1808 and Oxford 1816-1819. But one of the children of James and his wife Ann (nee SOUTHERN) gives her place of birth as Bledlow, Buckinghamshire, in the 1861 Census. This was Mary, born about 1801. Hoping someone can provide information on baptisms of Mary and any other LANGFILLs/LANGFELLs in Bledlow or nearby around that time, please. Regards, Rosie and Chris Plymouth UK _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, We have a James LANGFILL, Excise Officer, who seems to have been stationed in Southwark, London, in 1797, Henley in around 1808 and Oxford 1816-1819. But one of the children of James and his wife Ann (nee SOUTHERN) gives her place of birth as Bledlow, Buckinghamshire, in the 1861 Census. This was Mary, born about 1801. Hoping someone can provide information on baptisms of Mary and any other LANGFILLs/LANGFELLs in Bledlow or nearby around that time, please. Regards, Rosie and Chris Plymouth UK

surnames CROOK MAGOR PRUDENCE the family of Crook were from Shabbington the oldest boy James moved to Old End Town early 1990s and settled Christene

Just posting my interests: BUFFINGTON STAPP/ShTEPP HARBEND PARSONS All around Great Marlow. Any information anyone has will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. PH DePoy Manassas VA/Albany NY memawphd@comcast.net

In a message dated 28/10/2007 17:02:10 GMT Standard Time, memawphd@comcast.net writes: Just posting my interests: HOLYOAK from Newport Pagnell (George Holyoak, b.c1781, married Ann Brown in Rugby, 1812) Rgds Anthony

As you say this is a probability but we have their death certificates still as Pateman. What we are thinking is if the children were baptised as babies then their Mother would have been in her 30s (according to the age on her death certificate) so were any children born to them before this date if so it is a strong possibility they would have been named after their parents JOHN and or JANE. Also William seems to be a family favourite all through the years. Maybe Jane had children before she met John? No marriage certificate has been found for them yet. They were together at both baptisms and when she died in the New Forest her certificate said wife of John, so would this mean he was still alive at the time of her death? We also have Patemans who used the Mothers maiden name of Major, Hence Major Pateman at first we thought we were looking for an Army Major. It all gets very confusing. Thank you for replying Jackie Dave -----Original Message----- From: JACKIE BLACKMAN [mailto:jaxblk@btinternet.com] Sent: 26 October 2007 11:42 To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] PATEMAN family =Hi Dave, This is probably a long shot but... In my hawker Gypsy families they often used the surname of the mother. For example, in my Gregory family, several of the children were baptised as Gregory (father's name), some as Lee (the mother's surname) and even a couple as Smith (the maternal grandmother's name!). This was not dependent on whether they were married or not. Could it be that your Pateman family could be using the wife's family name in the 1841 census? Best wishes, Jackie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 26/10/2007 19:54

Hi Dianne Yes we have his books and have met him. Thanks for your interest anyhow very kind of you to bother Dave Dave, You say that John and Jane PATEMAN were travellers, so are you aware that the Romany and Traveller FHS http://www.rtfhs.org.uk/ have published a book by John PATEMAN: SEVEN STEPS TO GLORY - PRIVATE PATEMAN GOES TO WAR D. DAVID PATEMAN wrote: > Hi Paul, > Thanks for your reply, > WE know that William Pateman was baptised in 1831 at Bisom Bucks. > > His Parents were John and Jane. Later Charles was baptised in Woodmancote in > Hampshire. > They have connections with Major Patemans Family in Toddington Beds. > WE have not been able to find them on the 1841 CENSUS. > > Thanks again Regards Dave Pateman . > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Irving [mailto:pauljirving@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 24 October 2007 21:24 > To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] PATEMAN family > > Do you have any idea of their ages? It'd help to identify them. Also, > the names & ages of any known children & other relatives who might be > with them. > > By roots, do you mean born there? If you know which counties they were > born in, it'd also help identify them. > > So far, none of the 4 adult Janes I've found in the 1841 census seems a > good prospect. None is paired with an adult John. There are far more Johns. > > Paul > > > > DAVID PATEMAN wrote: >> Help needed with brick wall please >> >> >> >> Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling > basket >> makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although >> they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and >> were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of >> the century + or – >> >> We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before >> 1831 >> >> Any help gratefully appreciated >> >> Susie and Dave Pateman >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: > 23/10/2007 >> 19:39 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 2007/10/24 14:31 >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 24/10/2007 > 14:31 > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 26/10/2007 19:54

=Hi Dave, This is probably a long shot but... In my hawker Gypsy families they often used the surname of the mother. For example, in my Gregory family, several of the children were baptised as Gregory (father's name), some as Lee (the mother's surname) and even a couple as Smith (the maternal grandmother's name!). This was not dependent on whether they were married or not. Could it be that your Pateman family could be using the wife's family name in the 1841 census? Best wishes, Jackie

Dave, You say that John and Jane PATEMAN were travellers, so are you aware that the Romany and Traveller FHS http://www.rtfhs.org.uk/ have published a book by John PATEMAN: SEVEN STEPS TO GLORY - PRIVATE PATEMAN GOES TO WAR D. DAVID PATEMAN wrote: > Hi Paul, > Thanks for your reply, > WE know that William Pateman was baptised in 1831 at Bisom Bucks. > > His Parents were John and Jane. Later Charles was baptised in Woodmancote in > Hampshire. > They have connections with Major Patemans Family in Toddington Beds. > WE have not been able to find them on the 1841 CENSUS. > > Thanks again Regards Dave Pateman . > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Irving [mailto:pauljirving@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 24 October 2007 21:24 > To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] PATEMAN family > > Do you have any idea of their ages? It'd help to identify them. Also, > the names & ages of any known children & other relatives who might be > with them. > > By roots, do you mean born there? If you know which counties they were > born in, it'd also help identify them. > > So far, none of the 4 adult Janes I've found in the 1841 census seems a > good prospect. None is paired with an adult John. There are far more Johns. > > Paul > > > > DAVID PATEMAN wrote: >> Help needed with brick wall please >> >> >> >> Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling > basket >> makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although >> they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and >> were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of >> the century + or – >> >> We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before >> 1831 >> >> Any help gratefully appreciated >> >> Susie and Dave Pateman >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: > 23/10/2007 >> 19:39 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 2007/10/24 14:31 >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 24/10/2007 > 14:31 > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul, Thanks for your reply, WE know that William Pateman was baptised in 1831 at Bisom Bucks. His Parents were John and Jane. Later Charles was baptised in Woodmancote in Hampshire. They have connections with Major Patemans Family in Toddington Beds. WE have not been able to find them on the 1841 CENSUS. Thanks again Regards Dave Pateman . -----Original Message----- From: Paul Irving [mailto:pauljirving@ntlworld.com] Sent: 24 October 2007 21:24 To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] PATEMAN family Do you have any idea of their ages? It'd help to identify them. Also, the names & ages of any known children & other relatives who might be with them. By roots, do you mean born there? If you know which counties they were born in, it'd also help identify them. So far, none of the 4 adult Janes I've found in the 1841 census seems a good prospect. None is paired with an adult John. There are far more Johns. Paul DAVID PATEMAN wrote: > Help needed with brick wall please > > > > Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling basket > makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although > they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and > were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of > the century + or – > > We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before > 1831 > > Any help gratefully appreciated > > Susie and Dave Pateman > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: 23/10/2007 > 19:39 > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 2007/10/24 14:31 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 24/10/2007 14:31

Do you have any idea of their ages? It'd help to identify them. Also, the names & ages of any known children & other relatives who might be with them. By roots, do you mean born there? If you know which counties they were born in, it'd also help identify them. So far, none of the 4 adult Janes I've found in the 1841 census seems a good prospect. None is paired with an adult John. There are far more Johns. Paul DAVID PATEMAN wrote: > Help needed with brick wall please > > > > Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling basket > makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although > they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and > were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of > the century + or – > > We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before > 1831 > > Any help gratefully appreciated > > Susie and Dave Pateman > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: 23/10/2007 > 19:39 > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 2007/10/24 14:31 >

Help needed with brick wall please Looking for any info on JOHN and JANE PATEMAN known to be travelling basket makers were living in and around the New Forest area about 1831 although they eventually settled in this area they had roots in Beds and Bucks and were constantly travelling. Both believed to have been born at the turn of the century + or – We need to know where they were in 1841 and any other children born before 1831 Any help gratefully appreciated Susie and Dave Pateman No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: 23/10/2007 19:39