thank-you Paul, Sherrie in GA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck]request census-look-up/TOMS/1889/BuckinghamshireCounty Armed with everything below, you should be able to build up quite a picture. If you get some certificates, to confirm details, the Amersham parish register transcript, & perhaps some searches, you should be able to find out a lot more. Mursley appears to have only submitted entries on the IGI, & most of the baptisms in the parish registers haven't been transcribed (the marriages & deaths are complete up to about 1900) - but whoever submitted the Mursley IGI entries has covered the Dickens family rather thoroughly, including some deaths, back to 1779 Certificates (£7 each from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ - a prompt & efficient service References from FreeBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Parish register transcripts & searches from http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ They have published Amersham. Paul Census, etc. entries - 1841 census Wheilden Street, Common Platt, Amersham, Buckinghamshire Ann TOMS 46 Y (i.e. born in Buckinghamshire) Mary 23 Y Catherine 20 Y James 15 Y George 13 Y John 10 Y Ann 8 Y Emily 3 Y Also - High Street (different houses) - 1 John TOMS 75 Ag Lab Y & Mary 40 Y 2 Catherine TOMS 60 Shopkeeper Y 3 Ann TOMS 55 Ind Y 1851 census Common Platt, Amersham James TOMS 57 Labourer Ann wife 57 John son 20 Chairmaker Ann dau 17 Straw Platter Emiley dau 11 Straw Platter All born Amersham Swan Yard, Amersham George TOMS 22 Labourer b Amersham Mahalia wife 28 Straw Platter b Abbots Langley Hertfordshire Sarah Ann dau b Amersham Sophia E 5 born Watford Daur. before marriage 1861 census The Platt, Amersham James TOMS 76 Agricultural Labourer born Amersham Ann wife 76 b Amersham The Platt, Amersham George TOMS 32 Labourer b Amersham Mahalia 36 wife b Abbots Langley Hertfordshire Sarah A daughter 11 Susannah dau 8 Joseph son 7 Mahalia dau 4 Mary A dau 2 All children "Scholar", born Amersham 1871 census Union Street, The Platt George TOMS 42 Labourer Mahalia wife 46 b Abbots Langley Hertfordshire Joseph son 17 Labourer Mahalia dau 14 Scholar Mary A dau 12 ditto John M son 7 do Reuben E son 5 do Arthur son 2 months All born Amersham except wife 1881 census - Wheilden Street, Amersham Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George TOMS Head Male 58 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab Mahalia TOMS Wife Female 56 Abbotts Langley, Hertford, England Joseph TOMS Son Male 27 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab John N. TOMS Son U Male 17 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab Reuben E. TOMS Son Male 15 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab Arthur TOMS Son Male 10 Amersham, Buckingham, England Scholar 1891 census - The Platt, Amersham George TOMS 62 Agricultural Labourer Mahalia 66 usual birthplaces In 1901 - (without payin, I can only search the index, & can't view households) Lambeth John M THOMS 37 born Amersham Bucks Domestic Gardener Jane THOMS 37 born Mursley Bucks Geo U THOMS 11 b Lambeth Sydney THOMS 7 b Lambeth Mabel THOMS 3 b Lambeth Check for Jane Dickens born Mursley about 1864 - 1871 census, Mursley, Bucks George DICKENS 40 Agricultural Labourer born Mursley Emma 35 wife born Swanbourne, Bucks *Jane dau 7* Fanny dau 5 Rosoman (!) son 2 children born Mursley 1861 census - George & Emma in Mursley - 31 & 27, Ag lab & straw plaiter Marriage in IGI - Mursley, 04 Oct 1853 - Emma ALDMAN (Alderman?) FreeBMD ref Dec 1853 quarter, Winslow district, volume 3a page 699 1851 census - George 21 son of Thomas 47 b Mursley, Susanna 46 b Grendon Underwood, Bucks 1841 census - George 12 son of Thomas, 35, ag lab, & Susannah, 30 Eldest child Pheby, 14 Aylesbury, 25 Sep 1827 Thomas Dickens OTP mar Susanna HOWES of Twiford - connected? Or not? _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Armed with everything below, you should be able to build up quite a picture. If you get some certificates, to confirm details, the Amersham parish register transcript, & perhaps some searches, you should be able to find out a lot more. Mursley appears to have only submitted entries on the IGI, & most of the baptisms in the parish registers haven't been transcribed (the marriages & deaths are complete up to about 1900) - but whoever submitted the Mursley IGI entries has covered the Dickens family rather thoroughly, including some deaths, back to 1779 Certificates (£7 each from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ - a prompt & efficient service References from FreeBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Parish register transcripts & searches from http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ They have published Amersham. Paul Census, etc. entries - 1841 census Wheilden Street, Common Platt, Amersham, Buckinghamshire Ann TOMS 46 Y (i.e. born in Buckinghamshire) Mary 23 Y Catherine 20 Y James 15 Y George 13 Y John 10 Y Ann 8 Y Emily 3 Y Also - High Street (different houses) - 1 John TOMS 75 Ag Lab Y & Mary 40 Y 2 Catherine TOMS 60 Shopkeeper Y 3 Ann TOMS 55 Ind Y 1851 census Common Platt, Amersham James TOMS 57 Labourer Ann wife 57 John son 20 Chairmaker Ann dau 17 Straw Platter Emiley dau 11 Straw Platter All born Amersham Swan Yard, Amersham George TOMS 22 Labourer b Amersham Mahalia wife 28 Straw Platter b Abbots Langley Hertfordshire Sarah Ann dau b Amersham Sophia E 5 born Watford Daur. before marriage 1861 census The Platt, Amersham James TOMS 76 Agricultural Labourer born Amersham Ann wife 76 b Amersham The Platt, Amersham George TOMS 32 Labourer b Amersham Mahalia 36 wife b Abbots Langley Hertfordshire Sarah A daughter 11 Susannah dau 8 Joseph son 7 Mahalia dau 4 Mary A dau 2 All children "Scholar", born Amersham 1871 census Union Street, The Platt George TOMS 42 Labourer Mahalia wife 46 b Abbots Langley Hertfordshire Joseph son 17 Labourer Mahalia dau 14 Scholar Mary A dau 12 ditto John M son 7 do Reuben E son 5 do Arthur son 2 months All born Amersham except wife 1881 census - Wheilden Street, Amersham Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George TOMS Head Male 58 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab Mahalia TOMS Wife Female 56 Abbotts Langley, Hertford, England Joseph TOMS Son Male 27 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab John N. TOMS Son U Male 17 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab Reuben E. TOMS Son Male 15 Amersham, Buckingham, England Farm Lab Arthur TOMS Son Male 10 Amersham, Buckingham, England Scholar 1891 census - The Platt, Amersham George TOMS 62 Agricultural Labourer Mahalia 66 usual birthplaces In 1901 - (without payin, I can only search the index, & can't view households) Lambeth John M THOMS 37 born Amersham Bucks Domestic Gardener Jane THOMS 37 born Mursley Bucks Geo U THOMS 11 b Lambeth Sydney THOMS 7 b Lambeth Mabel THOMS 3 b Lambeth Check for Jane Dickens born Mursley about 1864 - 1871 census, Mursley, Bucks George DICKENS 40 Agricultural Labourer born Mursley Emma 35 wife born Swanbourne, Bucks *Jane dau 7* Fanny dau 5 Rosoman (!) son 2 children born Mursley 1861 census - George & Emma in Mursley - 31 & 27, Ag lab & straw plaiter Marriage in IGI - Mursley, 04 Oct 1853 - Emma ALDMAN (Alderman?) FreeBMD ref Dec 1853 quarter, Winslow district, volume 3a page 699 1851 census - George 21 son of Thomas 47 b Mursley, Susanna 46 b Grendon Underwood, Bucks 1841 census - George 12 son of Thomas, 35, ag lab, & Susannah, 30 Eldest child Pheby, 14 Aylesbury, 25 Sep 1827 Thomas Dickens OTP mar Susanna HOWES of Twiford - connected? Or not?
Hi Everyone Help please !!. Looking for James JUDD born circa 1824. And his wife Ann DIBDEN, Ann born in Wiltshire. Both deceased in New Forest 1900 and 1899.Have one son Jmaes Dibden JUDD born Dec 1864. rregards Tony
Hi Sherrie I found this family in 1891, could they be yours? 46 Denmark Rd, Lambeth John N Thoms, Head, 27, Gardener, born Amersham, Bucks Jane Thoms, Wife, 27, born Mursley, Bucks George N Thoms, Son, 1, born London, Lambeth Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Emery" <joeemery@btinternet.com> To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] request census-look-up/TOMS/1889/BuckinghamshireCounty > Hello Sherrie. I cannot see John & Jane in any census - nor any of their > children. Did they emigrate ? > I see John Norris' birth registered 1863 Dec.Qtr. Amersham 3a 359. Not in > 1865. I see also the confusing marriages on FreeBMD of a Jane Dickens in > 1889 March Qtr. Amersham 3a 585 to George Morris Toms and (another?) John > Morris Toms. Both on the same page - so I don't know what that signifies. > I > canot see those in censuses either. > In 1881 at Amersham there is a John N.Toms age 17 b.Amersham, at home with > his parents George Toms age 58 b.Amersham and his mother Mahalia Toms age > 56 > b.Abbotts Langley, Herts.and three other children. That is the only > reference I found to a John N.Toms. In 1871 all the family were at > Amersham > (listed under the surname of "Fones") including two daughters, Mahalia 14 > and Mary A. 12. > In 1891 George 62 and Mahalia 66 were still in Amersham (with a footnote > :- > "also as George Torris") > In 1851 George 22 and Mahalia 28, a straw plaiter, were in Amersham with a > daughter Sarah Ann age 1 b.Amersham and a Sophia E.Ricketts age 5 > "daughter > before marriage" b.Watford. Not very helpful perhaps but that is all I > found. Best wishes. Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> > To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:52 PM > Subject: [ENG-Buck] request census-look-up/TOMS/1889/Buckinghamshire > County > > >> Hi All, >> Could someone please do a census look-up on my GG-grandparents. >> Any information you be greatly appreciated! >> Thank-you >> Sherrie >> >> JOHN NORRIS TOMS (GEORGE NORRIS1) was born 07 Dec 1865 in England, He >> married JANE DICKENS 1889 in Amersham, Buckinghamshire County, England, >> daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. >> >> Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: >> >> 3. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckinghamshire County, >> Buckingham, England. >> >> ii. SIDNEY JOESPH TOMS, b. Sep 1894, Shoredith, Middlesex County, >> England. >> >> 4. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, Camberwell, England. >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1516 - Release Date: 6/24/2008 > 7:53 AM > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1516 - Release Date: 24/06/2008 07:53
Hello Sherrie. I cannot see John & Jane in any census - nor any of their children. Did they emigrate ? I see John Norris' birth registered 1863 Dec.Qtr. Amersham 3a 359. Not in 1865. I see also the confusing marriages on FreeBMD of a Jane Dickens in 1889 March Qtr. Amersham 3a 585 to George Morris Toms and (another?) John Morris Toms. Both on the same page - so I don't know what that signifies. I canot see those in censuses either. In 1881 at Amersham there is a John N.Toms age 17 b.Amersham, at home with his parents George Toms age 58 b.Amersham and his mother Mahalia Toms age 56 b.Abbotts Langley, Herts.and three other children. That is the only reference I found to a John N.Toms. In 1871 all the family were at Amersham (listed under the surname of "Fones") including two daughters, Mahalia 14 and Mary A. 12. In 1891 George 62 and Mahalia 66 were still in Amersham (with a footnote :- "also as George Torris") In 1851 George 22 and Mahalia 28, a straw plaiter, were in Amersham with a daughter Sarah Ann age 1 b.Amersham and a Sophia E.Ricketts age 5 "daughter before marriage" b.Watford. Not very helpful perhaps but that is all I found. Best wishes. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: [ENG-Buck] request census-look-up/TOMS/1889/Buckinghamshire County > Hi All, > Could someone please do a census look-up on my GG-grandparents. > Any information you be greatly appreciated! > Thank-you > Sherrie > > JOHN NORRIS TOMS (GEORGE NORRIS1) was born 07 Dec 1865 in England, He > married JANE DICKENS 1889 in Amersham, Buckinghamshire County, England, > daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. > > Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: > > 3. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckinghamshire County, > Buckingham, England. > > ii. SIDNEY JOESPH TOMS, b. Sep 1894, Shoredith, Middlesex County, England. > > 4. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, Camberwell, England. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1516 - Release Date: 6/24/2008 7:53 AM
Thank-you Joe! Sherrie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Emery" To: <eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] request census-look-up/TOMS/1889/BuckinghamshireCounty > Hello Sherrie. I cannot see John & Jane in any census - nor any of their > children. Did they emigrate ? > I see John Norris' birth registered 1863 Dec.Qtr. Amersham 3a 359. Not in > 1865. I see also the confusing marriages on FreeBMD of a Jane Dickens in > 1889 March Qtr. Amersham 3a 585 to George Morris Toms and (another?) John > Morris Toms. Both on the same page - so I don't know what that signifies. > I > canot see those in censuses either. > In 1881 at Amersham there is a John N.Toms age 17 b.Amersham, at home with > his parents George Toms age 58 b.Amersham and his mother Mahalia Toms age > 56 > b.Abbotts Langley, Herts.and three other children. That is the only > reference I found to a John N.Toms. In 1871 all the family were at > Amersham > (listed under the surname of "Fones") including two daughters, Mahalia 14 > and Mary A. 12. > In 1891 George 62 and Mahalia 66 were still in Amersham (with a footnote > :- > "also as George Torris") > In 1851 George 22 and Mahalia 28, a straw plaiter, were in Amersham with a > daughter Sarah Ann age 1 b.Amersham and a Sophia E.Ricketts age 5 > "daughter > before marriage" b.Watford. Not very helpful perhaps but that is all I > found. Best wishes. Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> > To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:52 PM > Subject: [ENG-Buck] request census-look-up/TOMS/1889/Buckinghamshire > County > > >> Hi All, >> Could someone please do a census look-up on my GG-grandparents. >> Any information you be greatly appreciated! >> Thank-you >> Sherrie >> >> JOHN NORRIS TOMS (GEORGE NORRIS1) was born 07 Dec 1865 in England, He >> married JANE DICKENS 1889 in Amersham, Buckinghamshire County, England, >> daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. >> >> Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: >> >> 3. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckinghamshire County, >> Buckingham, England. >> >> ii. SIDNEY JOESPH TOMS, b. Sep 1894, Shoredith, Middlesex County, >> England. >> >> 4. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, Camberwell, England. >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1516 - Release Date: 6/24/2008 > 7:53 AM > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank-you Paul Sherrie > I've just realised that you could trace any baptisms & marriages in > Amersham back further than civil registration, by buying the Bucks Family > History Society transcription of the Amersham parish registers - > www.bucksfhs.org.uk > > It only covers the town, not the registration district, & from FreeBMD you > can't tell where in the registration district an event was, but in this > case, it appears from the censuses that the TOMS family were in the town, > & had been since at least the late 18th century. They were in the 1841 > census. > > Won't help you with Jane Dickens, but the 1891 census should tell you > where she was born, & her marriage certificate her fathers name & > occupation. Good starting points. > > Paul > > >> >> From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> >> Date: 2008/06/16 Mon AM 05:14:42 GMT >> To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [ENG-Buck] TOMS, 1889, Buckingham, England >> >> Hi, I'm looking for information on my GGGrandparents & there families. >> Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank-you! Sherrie >> >> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> Descendants of John Toms >> >> Generation No. 1 >> >> 1. John TOMS was born Dec 1865. He married Jane DICKENS, daughter of >> DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. >> >> >> Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: >> >> 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckingham, England. >> >> ii. SIDNEY TOMS, b. Sep 1893, England. >> >> 3. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, England; d. 20 Jul 1983. >> >> >> >> 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS (JOHN) was born 30 Nov 1889 in Buckingham, >> England. He married (1) ALEMETA HENRICTA CAMBRAY, daughter of TOM CAMBRAY >> and MINNIE MCMAUGH. She was born 27 Jul 1896 in Lincoln County, St. >> Cathrine, Ontario, Canada. He married (2) HILDA. >> >> >> Child of GEORGE TOMS and ALEMETA CAMBRAY is: >> >> 4. i. PEARL MABLE TOMS, b. 25 Dec 1915, Lincoln Lincoln County, St. >> Cathrine, Ontario, Canada; d. 09 Jul 1990, Chino, San Bernardino County, >> California, U.S.A. >> >> 3. MABLE ALICE L.TOMS (JOHN) was born Oct 1897 in England, and died 20 >> Jul 1983. >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi All, Could someone please do a census look-up on my GG-grandparents. Any information you be greatly appreciated! Thank-you Sherrie JOHN NORRIS TOMS (GEORGE NORRIS1) was born 07 Dec 1865 in England, He married JANE DICKENS 1889 in Amersham, Buckinghamshire County, England, daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: 3. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckinghamshire County, Buckingham, England. ii. SIDNEY JOESPH TOMS, b. Sep 1894, Shoredith, Middlesex County, England. 4. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, Camberwell, England.
1. _SARAH COOPER_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=500005149913&lds=1®ion=2®ionfriendly=&juris1=&juris2=& juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly =&juris4friendly=) - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 11 FEB 1833 Ellesborough, Buckingham, England 2. _WILLIAM COOPER_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=500005150310&lds=1®ion=2®ionfriendly=&juris1=&juris2=&jur is3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&j uris4friendly=) - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 12 OCT 1803 Ellesborough, Buckingham, England 3. _WILLIAM COOPER_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=500005150312&lds=1®ion=2®ionfriendly=&juris1=&juris2=&jur is3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&j uris4friendly=) - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 06 MAY 1819 Ellesborough, Buckingham, England
HI there In 1745 Mary Cooper married John Quarendon, in Chesham Bois (found these in the parish registers in the record office) Although they were married there - no idea why! both were of Ellesboro and Gt Kimble families. Does this help? Jane (of the Quarrington/quarendon family)
I've just realised that you could trace any baptisms & marriages in Amersham back further than civil registration, by buying the Bucks Family History Society transcription of the Amersham parish registers - www.bucksfhs.org.uk It only covers the town, not the registration district, & from FreeBMD you can't tell where in the registration district an event was, but in this case, it appears from the censuses that the TOMS family were in the town, & had been since at least the late 18th century. They were in the 1841 census. Won't help you with Jane Dickens, but the 1891 census should tell you where she was born, & her marriage certificate her fathers name & occupation. Good starting points. Paul > > From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2008/06/16 Mon AM 05:14:42 GMT > To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ENG-Buck] TOMS, 1889, Buckingham, England > > Hi, I'm looking for information on my GGGrandparents & there families. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank-you! Sherrie > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > Descendants of John Toms > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. John TOMS was born Dec 1865. He married Jane DICKENS, daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. > > > Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckingham, England. > > ii. SIDNEY TOMS, b. Sep 1893, England. > > 3. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, England; d. 20 Jul 1983. > > > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS (JOHN) was born 30 Nov 1889 in Buckingham, England. He married (1) ALEMETA HENRICTA CAMBRAY, daughter of TOM CAMBRAY and MINNIE MCMAUGH. She was born 27 Jul 1896 in Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada. He married (2) HILDA. > > > Child of GEORGE TOMS and ALEMETA CAMBRAY is: > > 4. i. PEARL MABLE TOMS, b. 25 Dec 1915, Lincoln Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada; d. 09 Jul 1990, Chino, San Bernardino County, California, U.S.A. > > 3. MABLE ALICE L.TOMS (JOHN) was born Oct 1897 in England, and died 20 Jul 1983. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam
FreeBMD shows George Norris TOMS birth was registered in Lambeth, March quarter (i.e. January to March) 1890. That's consistent with him being born on November 30th. Birth was supposed to be registered within 6 weeks. Births Mar 1890 Toms George Norris Lambeth Volume 1d Page 488 If you get his birth certificate (£7 last time I bought one, available online from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp - they take credit & debit cards), using the FreeBMD reference above, it will confirm his parents, including his mothers maiden name, & their address. They should be in the same area - perhaps at the same address - in the 1891 census, as there are other children born in Lambeth after the census - Births Dec 1893 Toms Sydney Alfred D Lambeth 1d 462 Births Mar 1897 Toms Grace Maud Lambeth 1d 538 Births Mar 1898 Toms Frances Alice Lambeth 1d 349 But I can't see them in the 1901 census. Emigrated already? All the TOMS in Lambeth in 1901 - View Name Age Where born Administrative county Civil parish Occupation Ada Toms 30 Ldn Sambeth London Lambeth Albert Toms 32 Ldn Kennington London Lambeth Magistrates Clerk Alexander Toms 0 Ldn Brixton London Lambeth Juvenile Arthur G Toms 21 London St Georges E London Lambeth Clerk Ironmonges Elizabeth Toms 71 London London Lambeth Pensioner Formerly Governess Ethel Toms 10 London Brixton London Lambeth Juvenile Frederick Toms 3 London Brixton London Lambeth Juvenile Gertrude L Toms 21 South Norwood Of London Lambeth Hedley A Toms 37 Devon Plymouth London Lambeth Examining Officer H M Customs Horace J Toms 22 South Norwood Surr Of London Lambeth Solicitors Clerk View Name Age Where born Administrative county Civil parish Occupation Isabel M Toms 47 Devon Stonehouse London Lambeth Isabella Toms 72 Scotland London Lambeth Jessie Toms 52 Gloucester Bristol London Lambeth John Toms 49 Devon Stonehouse London Lambeth Retired Sanitary Engineer John B Toms 57 Kensington Of London Lambeth Salesman Antique Furniture Joseph Toms 46 Bucks Amersham London Lambeth Bricklayers Labourer Margaret A Toms 36 London Kennington London Lambeth Tale Woman Mary Toms 34 Bucks Prestwood London Lambeth Domestic Mary L Toms 51 Devon Plymouth London Lambeth William Toms 34 London Kennington London Lambeth Minicipal Clerk If you look in the 1881 census, you see that Joseph TOMS, born Amersham, had a younger brother John, aged 17 - i.e. born about 1864. There are a few Jane DICKENS about, including one from "Buckingham", a couple of years older than John, working as a servant in Camberwell, adjacent to Lambeth. Ah! The Amersham lot look right. Again on FreeBMD - Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%) DICKENS Jane Amersham 3a 585 TOMS John Morris Amersham 3a 585 And - TOMS George Morris Amersham 3a 585 Looks as if John & one of his brothers married around the same time, maybe even the same day. The marriage certificate should give names & occupations of the fathers of both bride & groom. Paul > > From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2008/06/16 Mon AM 05:14:42 GMT > To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ENG-Buck] TOMS, 1889, Buckingham, England > > Hi, I'm looking for information on my GGGrandparents & there families. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank-you! Sherrie > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > Descendants of John Toms > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. John TOMS was born Dec 1865. He married Jane DICKENS, daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. > > > Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckingham, England. > > ii. SIDNEY TOMS, b. Sep 1893, England. > > 3. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, England; d. 20 Jul 1983. > > > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS (JOHN) was born 30 Nov 1889 in Buckingham, England. He married (1) ALEMETA HENRICTA CAMBRAY, daughter of TOM CAMBRAY and MINNIE MCMAUGH. She was born 27 Jul 1896 in Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada. He married (2) HILDA. > > > Child of GEORGE TOMS and ALEMETA CAMBRAY is: > > 4. i. PEARL MABLE TOMS, b. 25 Dec 1915, Lincoln Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada; d. 09 Jul 1990, Chino, San Bernardino County, California, U.S.A. > > 3. MABLE ALICE L.TOMS (JOHN) was born Oct 1897 in England, and died 20 Jul 1983. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam
Hi Sherrie, My direct ancestor is an Elizabeth Toms/Tombs/Tomes born in Whaddon, Buckinghamshire in 1811, dau of William Toms and Hannah Jones. I haven't done a lot on this family, but haven't found any John Toms yet. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Smith" <ssmith87@bellsouth.net> To: <ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [ENG-Buck] TOMS, 1889, Buckingham, England > Hi, I'm looking for information on my GGGrandparents & there families. Any > information would be greatly appreciated! Thank-you! Sherrie > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > Descendants of John Toms > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. John TOMS was born Dec 1865. He married Jane DICKENS, daughter of > DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. > > > Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckingham, England. > > ii. SIDNEY TOMS, b. Sep 1893, England. > > 3. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, England; d. 20 Jul 1983. > > > > 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS (JOHN) was born 30 Nov 1889 in Buckingham, > England. He married (1) ALEMETA HENRICTA CAMBRAY, daughter of TOM CAMBRAY > and MINNIE MCMAUGH. She was born 27 Jul 1896 in Lincoln County, St. > Cathrine, Ontario, Canada. He married (2) HILDA. > > > Child of GEORGE TOMS and ALEMETA CAMBRAY is: > > 4. i. PEARL MABLE TOMS, b. 25 Dec 1915, Lincoln Lincoln County, St. > Cathrine, Ontario, Canada; d. 09 Jul 1990, Chino, San Bernardino County, > California, U.S.A. > > 3. MABLE ALICE L.TOMS (JOHN) was born Oct 1897 in England, and died 20 Jul > 1983. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com
Hi, I'm looking for information on my GGGrandparents & there families. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank-you! Sherrie /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Descendants of John Toms Generation No. 1 1. John TOMS was born Dec 1865. He married Jane DICKENS, daughter of DICKENS and UNKNOWN. She was born Sep 1865. Children of JOHN TOMS and JANE DICKENS are: 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS, b. 30 Nov 1889, Buckingham, England. ii. SIDNEY TOMS, b. Sep 1893, England. 3. iii. MABLE ALICE L. TOMS, b. Oct 1897, England; d. 20 Jul 1983. 2. i. GEORGE NORRIS TOMS (JOHN) was born 30 Nov 1889 in Buckingham, England. He married (1) ALEMETA HENRICTA CAMBRAY, daughter of TOM CAMBRAY and MINNIE MCMAUGH. She was born 27 Jul 1896 in Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada. He married (2) HILDA. Child of GEORGE TOMS and ALEMETA CAMBRAY is: 4. i. PEARL MABLE TOMS, b. 25 Dec 1915, Lincoln Lincoln County, St. Cathrine, Ontario, Canada; d. 09 Jul 1990, Chino, San Bernardino County, California, U.S.A. 3. MABLE ALICE L.TOMS (JOHN) was born Oct 1897 in England, and died 20 Jul 1983.
Hi Can anyone check the Little Missenden baptism registers for me, as I have discovered a large number of Millwards on the IGI baptised there when they are in the Newton Blossomville registers for the same dates! They are all born and living in Newton Blossomville. ie Ann Millward 12.9.1824 Joseph " 30.7.1826 samuel " 11.10.1835 these 3 are not in the Newton Blossomville registers that I can see, but are in Little Missenden William Benjamin 15.12.1878 William Thomas 5.10.1874 William John 17.6.1886 Many thanks Norina _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/
Hi Buddug, That sounds extremely helpful, could possibly be them. Can I ask what records you found it in and in which parish records it would likely to be found? Thank you Anne -----Original Message----- From: eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BuddugH@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 4:59 AM To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] Higgins , Emberton Hi . I don't know if it helps but I found a Daniel /Charles and James in North Marsden all sons of Simon Higgins . I couldn't find a Robert though. Good Luck, Buddug Hollett _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Dianne, Thank you for your help it is much appreciated. I shall do as you suggest Anne -----Original Message----- From: eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sutton Sent: Monday, 9 June 2008 8:44 PM To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] Higgins , Emberton Anne, Emberton village is just across the river from Olney. There was a local history group in the village a while ago I'm not sure they are still active. You could try going to the MKHA web page: http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/ and selecting Olney and District Historical Society and contacting them information@olneyhistory.org.uk see if they can place "Emberton lee". Hope this helps Dianne Anne Menadue wrote: > Hello, I am new to the list, I have for 30 years been trying to find out > where my G Grandfather was born in England. > > I have finally found a document that says he was born 11 March 1817 in > Buckinghamshire. > > > > Daniel HIGGINS came to South Australia with two brothers Charles and James > in 1839. There was also another Higgins named Robert who could have been a > brother > > One of their properties was called Emberton Lee, I believe there is a town > called Emberton in Buckingham > > > > I had a look in Free census for 1841 but see Buckingham is not yet done. > > There is a Daniel listed in IGI ch 1812 North Marston, father Simon > > > > I am at a loss where to look next so would appreciate any help > > > > Thank you > > Anne Menadue > > In South Australia > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Anne These were found in the igi's Family search.org. Sorry,I don't know the parish I'm afraid. Glad to be of help though .Hope that they are' yours'. good luck
Thank you Celia Your help is appreciated Anne -----Original Message----- From: eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Celia Renshaw Sent: Monday, 9 June 2008 8:19 PM To: eng-buckinghamshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-Buck] Higgins , Emberton Hi Anne A good first step could be to contact Bucks Family History Society & request a search of their baptism database for Charles, James and Daniel HIGGINSes and perhaps for all HIGGINS events in Emberton. A baptism search will only cost a few £££. This is the BFHS website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk. I see they've got Emberton baptisms from 1813. Cheers Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-buckinghamshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Menadue Sent: 09 June 2008 11:41 To: ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-Buck] Higgins , Emberton Hello, I am new to the list, I have for 30 years been trying to find out where my G Grandfather was born in England. I have finally found a document that says he was born 11 March 1817 in Buckinghamshire. Daniel HIGGINS came to South Australia with two brothers Charles and James in 1839. There was also another Higgins named Robert who could have been a brother One of their properties was called Emberton Lee, I believe there is a town called Emberton in Buckingham I had a look in Free census for 1841 but see Buckingham is not yet done. There is a Daniel listed in IGI ch 1812 North Marston, father Simon I am at a loss where to look next so would appreciate any help Thank you Anne Menadue In South Australia _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BUCKINGHAMSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello, I am new to the list, I have for 30 years been trying to find out where my G Grandfather was born in England. I have finally found a document that says he was born 11 March 1817 in Buckinghamshire. Daniel HIGGINS came to South Australia with two brothers Charles and James in 1839. There was also another Higgins named Robert who could have been a brother One of their properties was called Emberton Lee, I believe there is a town called Emberton in Buckingham I had a look in Free census for 1841 but see Buckingham is not yet done. There is a Daniel listed in IGI ch 1812 North Marston, father Simon I am at a loss where to look next so would appreciate any help Thank you Anne Menadue In South Australia