George CROSS Sr. died in 1844 so he will not appear in the 1851 census. George CROSS Jr. was living at 154 Market Square in the 1851 census. What is "Church yard"? is it a street? Thanks Paul. Edgar Cross >From: Paul Irving <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ENG-BUCK] 1841 Census Look-up - George CROSS from Winslow >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:57:56 +0000 > >His address? The 1851 census shows a few people living at "Church Yard". > >Paul > >Edgar Cross wrote: > >>My ggg-grandfather George CROSS had a drapery business in Winslow, Bucks. >>He is listed in the 1851 census living in 154 Market Square. His father, >>also named George CROSS is listed in the Pigot's Directory of 1844 as a >>Maltster in Chruch yard. >> >>Could SKS look up these two individuals in the 1841 census? What exactly >>does Chrurch yard mean when referring to Maltster? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Edgar Cross >> >> >> >>============================== >>View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

His address? The 1851 census shows a few people living at "Church Yard". Paul Edgar Cross wrote: > My ggg-grandfather George CROSS had a drapery business in Winslow, > Bucks. He is listed in the 1851 census living in 154 Market Square. > His father, also named George CROSS is listed in the Pigot's Directory > of 1844 as a Maltster in Chruch yard. > > Could SKS look up these two individuals in the 1841 census? What > exactly does Chrurch yard mean when referring to Maltster? > > Thanks, > > Edgar Cross > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

My ggg-grandfather George CROSS had a drapery business in Winslow, Bucks. He is listed in the 1851 census living in 154 Market Square. His father, also named George CROSS is listed in the Pigot's Directory of 1844 as a Maltster in Chruch yard. Could SKS look up these two individuals in the 1841 census? What exactly does Chrurch yard mean when referring to Maltster? Thanks, Edgar Cross

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Hi Tina, If you can read a couple of words you are started. Just keep trying and after a while you will surprise yourself. When you come across an unusually formed letter make a little pencil sketch of it to remind yourself. There will be no punctuation. The word after the someone's name will often be their occupation, eg James Bloggs Grocer William Smith Esquire There will be a lots of repeated words and phrases that you will recognise after a while, roughly something like these: This is the last will and testament of me ..... of ...... in the County of ..... I desire my just debts funeral and testamentary expenses to be fully paid out of my personal estate my executors and trustees my executors and executrix my heirs and their executors administrators and assigns my dear wife my beloved wife my good friend my respected friend my children I give devise and bequeath assign absolutely dwelling house freehold leasehold or copyhold messuages or tenements buildings courts yards gardens lands hereditaments and appurtenances thereto belonging and appertaining situate and being in the High Street in the town of ... rents issues and profits accruing therefrom subject to the payment of the rent and to the observance and performance of the covenants and agreements reserved or contained in the lease Upon trust to permit and suffer my said dear wife ... to use and enjoy my plate linen china household effects and household stores during the term of her natural life tenants in common and not as joint tenants heretofor herewith herein before mentioned therein therefrom hereinafter endowed wheretofor whereby whatsoever the aforesaid the said nevertheless all and singular each and severally share and share alike You will suddenly find that you have learned a new written language and it is very satisfying. Having transcribed it you then have to work out what it means. Best of luck. Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Connell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Help reading a will please? Advice as to who to ask for help reading it. > Hi, > I was wondering if anybody might be skilled in reading handwriting from the late 1700's and early 1800's at all? Only I recently purchased 2 family wills and was thrilled to be able to print them out after downloading them to my computer but after having looked at the pages, aside from a couple of words I am completely unable to make out the handwriting unfortunately and would love to be able to learn more about what they say but I just can't seem to make out the script. I wonder if anyone might please be able to suggest an expert that I could possibly have look at them for me possibly via e-mail. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou very much. Kind regards, Tina Connell > > ______________________________

on 12/11/04 5:12 PM, Sandra J Smith at [email protected] wrote: > Gertie, > Depends on whether or not you are referring to the British Royal family. > This is called Order of Precedence and a full list usually appears in > Burke's Peerage. However, there are a number of web pages about this.. eg > http://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/order_precedence.htm > > In the case of our Queen, on first being introduced, you must call her > Your Majesty and thereafter Ma'am (rhyming with Jam). I believe that if > we had a king it would be your Majesty followed by Sir. In the case of > Royal Princes and Princesses, they are first addressed as Your Royal > Highness and then either Sir or Ma'am. I have met the Queen, Prince > Charles and Princess Anne on a number of occasions and was so briefed. > > One of the bones of contention following the divorce of Prince Charles > and Diana was that her HRH was withdrawn, so that there was no longer > any requirement to adress her as Your Royal Highness. > > Precedence, as far as Royalty is concerned, is that Royal Dukes come > immediately after the King, Queen, Prince and Princesses, These would > be close relatives of the Royal Family. eg Nephews, Uncles, cousins. > Then came the other Dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts, barons, knights > banneret, knights bachelor.. Pleasw what are their wives known as - Duke, Dutchess, ect................. The precedence within each of these groups > was determined by the date of creation of the t itle. Somewhere in > there came the Lords Spritual - the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, > but I'm not sure quite where. > Hope this helps Thank you it does. Gertie > Sandra > > L Stitt wrote: > >> Please could anyone advise me re royalty line. >> >> King _ Queen >> Prince- Princess >> What is the line after the above in order = also how do you address them - >> Sir? Madam? >> >> Thanks >> >> Gertie >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello all, does anyone know the website for Carpenter Apprentices back in Family History, 1845 onwards,please. It would help me no end,Grateful thanks in anticipation.Eileen

Please could anyone advise me re royalty line. King _ Queen Prince- Princess What is the line after the above in order = also how do you address them - Sir? Madam? Thanks Gertie

Gertie, Depends on whether or not you are referring to the British Royal family. This is called Order of Precedence and a full list usually appears in Burke's Peerage. However, there are a number of web pages about this.. eg http://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/order_precedence.htm In the case of our Queen, on first being introduced, you must call her Your Majesty and thereafter Ma'am (rhyming with Jam). I believe that if we had a king it would be your Majesty followed by Sir. In the case of Royal Princes and Princesses, they are first addressed as Your Royal Highness and then either Sir or Ma'am. I have met the Queen, Prince Charles and Princess Anne on a number of occasions and was so briefed. One of the bones of contention following the divorce of Prince Charles and Diana was that her HRH was withdrawn, so that there was no longer any requirement to adress her as Your Royal Highness. Precedence, as far as Royalty is concerned, is that Royal Dukes come immediately after the King, Queen, Prince and Princesses, These would be close relatives of the Royal Family. eg Nephews, Uncles, cousins. Then came the other Dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts, barons, knights banneret, knights bachelor.. The precedence within each of these groups was determined by the date of creation of the t itle. Somewhere in there came the Lords Spritual - the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, but I'm not sure quite where. Hope this helps Sandra L Stitt wrote: >Please could anyone advise me re royalty line. > >King _ Queen >Prince- Princess >What is the line after the above in order = also how do you address them - >Sir? Madam? > >Thanks > >Gertie > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi Steve, Have you seen the Bucks County Council website with all the old photos on yet? It is usually at <http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/leisure/photodb/index.htm> though I just tried to go to it and it showed an error. Give it a shot later, or try going to its home page link which you can see on the URL above and see if you can find the photos from there. I have a book called 'The History of The Borough of High Wycombe from 1880 to the Present Day' which was published in 1960, but that's a bit late for you I guess. All the best May Lanchbury Perth Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: Steve [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 10:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-BUCK] High Wycombe hello Listers Does anyone know if there are any old prints/pics of High Wycombe available around 1840 period Many Thanks in advance Regards Steve For Family history Software visit www.ibfhs.com Looking for a quality Holiday Apartment in TURKEY visit www.turkishapartments.co.uk (mention rootsweb for a discount) --------------------------------- Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

The link seems to have changed to http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database/index.htm David -----Original Message----- From: mayndave [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 December 2004 12:30 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ENG-BUCK] High Wycombe Hi Steve, Have you seen the Bucks County Council website with all the old photos on yet? It is usually at <http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/leisure/photodb/index.htm> though I just tried to go to it and it showed an error. Give it a shot later, or try going to its home page link which you can see on the URL above and see if you can find the photos from there. I have a book called 'The History of The Borough of High Wycombe from 1880 to the Present Day' which was published in 1960, but that's a bit late for you I guess. All the best May Lanchbury Perth Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: Steve [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 10:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-BUCK] High Wycombe hello Listers Does anyone know if there are any old prints/pics of High Wycombe available around 1840 period Many Thanks in advance Regards Steve For Family history Software visit www.ibfhs.com Looking for a quality Holiday Apartment in TURKEY visit www.turkishapartments.co.uk (mention rootsweb for a discount) --------------------------------- Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This electronic message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify our Information Technology Group immediately on - 020-7413-9600. Do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Any opinion expressed in this message or any attachment is not necessarily the opinion of Teknica UK Ltd. We make every effort to keep our network free from viruses although we can take no responsibility for any computer virus which may be transferred by way of this e-mail. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

hello Listers Does anyone know if there are any old prints/pics of High Wycombe available around 1840 period Many Thanks in advance Regards Steve For Family history Software visit www.ibfhs.com Looking for a quality Holiday Apartment in TURKEY visit www.turkishapartments.co.uk (mention rootsweb for a discount) --------------------------------- Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger

Hi, I recently found out that 3 of my Grandfather's sisters all died in the Aylesbury District, probably Aylesbury, in the 1970's and 1980's. I have yet to obtain the Death Certificates. The addresses are from the Electoral Rolls. If anyone has any personal knowledge of these ladies I would be grateful if you would contact me off-list. I would love to be able to get to know them, as at present all I have is the little knowledge gleaned from my Mother when she visited Aylesbury in the 1920's, when she was a child. I had no idea that they had lived until long, I mean really long, after I was born. Gertrude [CHAPMAN] WRIGHT d. March Qtr 1970 age 74 : Last known address - 9 Manor Road in 1970 : Gertrude's husband had died in 1938 : Annie Jane CHAPMAN d. March Qtr 1976 age 89 : Last known address - 9 Manor Road, Aylesbury in 1975 : Ethel Beatrice CHAPMAN d. June Qtr 1983 age 90 : Last known address - 9a Manor Road in 1980 : Pamela

Hi Bob We communicated once before with reference to your WARREN family but at that time I didn't know that my 2x gr grandmother's maiden name was WARREN. From the IGI I have the following: - Sarah WARREN, christened 26 Feb 1809, Stoke Goldington, BKM Parents: Francis Warren and Mary Batch No: C073691 Her maiden name was listed on my gr grandfather George ALLEN's birth certificate. Right now I can't see any connection between your WARREN family and mine but perhaps further back we'll find one. Kind regards, Margaret Auger Ontario, Canada

I think Charles was probably dead by 1851, but there are some probable relatives. Maybe his widow? Gayhurst - Sarah WARREN 68 wid Lacemaker b Stoke Golding Next door are Joseph WARREN 55 Ag. Lab. Gayhurst b Stoke Golding Sarah 59 lacemaker b Newport Pagnell Jonas 15 son Ag. Lab. b Gayhurst Reuben was alive & well in Newport Pagnell - age 54, b Stoke Goldington, Woolstapler Wife Esther 62 b St. James London MDX Hannah dau unm 22 b Newport Pagnell There's a John Warren aged 72 in Stoke Goldington - a gardener b Stoke Goldington Wife "A." age 69 lacemaker b Stoke Goldington granddaughter S. age 9 lacemaker b Stoke Goldington Thomas WARREN 44 Farm Bailiff, wife Hannah 40, sister Elizabeth GARRAT lacemaker, all b Stoke Golding - High Street East Olney. Also niece Eliza ARCH 2 b St. Pancras MDX William 57 Ag. Lab b Stoke Goldington Church St. Stoke Goldington wife A. 56 Nurse b Ravenstone Mary WARREN wid 66 Pauper/Lacemaker b Stoke Goldington Church St. Stoke Goldington two unmarried daughters, A & C, a married son W & his wife S. & children E, G & J. If it wasn't too late I might be tempted to strangle that enumerator. Elijah WARREN 68 Ag. Lab. High St. Stoke Goldington 68 b Stoke Goldington M.A. wife 35 Lacemaker b Stoke Goldington Francis WARREN 72 Byway Lab. b Stoke Goldington Church St. Stoke Goldington M. wife 69 Lacemaker b Stoke Goldington T. son 32 Ag. Lab. b Stoke Goldington Oops! Got a bit carried away there. Paul Bob Foran wrote: >Would be grateful for a 184 and/or 1851 Stoke Goldington census lookup for >Charles >WARREN b1771. Thanks. > Bob Foran - Connecticut USA > > 1 Charles Warren b: 22 September 1771 in Stoke Goldington, >Buckinghamshire, England >.. +Sarah Poulton m: 19 November 1792 in Stoke Goldington, >Buckinghamshire, England > 2 Joseph Warren b: 15 July 1796 in Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, >England >... +Sarah Brown b: 30 September 1791 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, >England m: 06 October 1819 in Gayhurst, Buckingham, England > 2 John Warren b: 22 September 1794 > 2 Reuben Warren b: 04 September 1797 > 2 Thomas Warren b: 14 July 1802 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, >England > 2 Elizabeth Warren b: 01 August 1804 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, >England > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > >

Dear Listers! I have been trying to discover the marriage of ELIZA HIRONS for several years. She was born in about 1809 in Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire. Her father was RICHARD HIRON. She married WILLIAM BECKETT ( born 1795 in Buckingham, Buckinghamshire) between 1831 and 1833/34. The lived in Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire and had fifteen children. WILLIAM BECKETT was a chimney sweeper. I have had the records of Gloucestershire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire and Oxfordshire searched for the above marriage without success. In desperation, I now turn to Buckinghamshire! Does anyone know the above family? Any relevant information would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Mike Walker

also Charles Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Charles Warren 45 Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England Head Stoke Goldington Buckinghamshire Charles Warren 2 Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England Son Stoke Goldington Buckinghamshire Jane Warren 20 Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Stoke Goldington Buckinghamshire Margaret Warren 42 Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Stoke Goldington Buckinghamshire Reuben Warren 5 Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England Son Stoke Goldington Buckinghamshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Foran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: [ENG-BUCK] 1861/71 for Jos WARREN Gayhurst > Would be grateful for a 1861 and/or 1871 Gayhurst census lookup for Joseph > WARREN b1796. Thanks. > Bob Foran - Connecticut USA > > 1 Joseph Warren b: 15 July 1796 in Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, > England > .. +Sarah Brown b: 30 September 1791 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, > England m: 06 October 1819 in Gayhurst, Buckingham, England > 2 John Warren b: 30 May 1830 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > ... +Isabella Coles b: 1826 in Kingsbridge, Devon, ENGLAND m: 15 March 1852 > in Lambeth, "St. Johns Parish Church", Waterloo, Surrey, ENGLAND > 2 Samuel Warren b: 29 August 1820 > 2 Elizabeth Warren b: 25 August 1823 > 2 Charles Warren b: 05 June 1825 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > ... +Margaret Unknown b: 1829 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > 2 William Warren b: 25 December 1827 > 2 Reuben Warren b: 01 July 1832 > 2 Jonas Warren b: 22 May 1836 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >

I only have 1871. Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Ann Warren 34 Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Gayhurst Buckinghamshire Elizabeth Warren 12 Hanslope, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Gayhurst Buckinghamshire Jonas Warren 35 Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England Son Gayhurst Buckinghamshire Joseph Warren 75 Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England Head Gayhurst Buckinghamshire Sarah Warren 79 Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Gayhurst Buckinghamshire Regards Suzannah Foad Margate Ancestors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Foran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: [ENG-BUCK] 1861/71 for Jos WARREN Gayhurst > Would be grateful for a 1861 and/or 1871 Gayhurst census lookup for Joseph > WARREN b1796. Thanks. > Bob Foran - Connecticut USA > > 1 Joseph Warren b: 15 July 1796 in Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, > England > .. +Sarah Brown b: 30 September 1791 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, > England m: 06 October 1819 in Gayhurst, Buckingham, England > 2 John Warren b: 30 May 1830 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > ... +Isabella Coles b: 1826 in Kingsbridge, Devon, ENGLAND m: 15 March 1852 > in Lambeth, "St. Johns Parish Church", Waterloo, Surrey, ENGLAND > 2 Samuel Warren b: 29 August 1820 > 2 Elizabeth Warren b: 25 August 1823 > 2 Charles Warren b: 05 June 1825 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > ... +Margaret Unknown b: 1829 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > 2 William Warren b: 25 December 1827 > 2 Reuben Warren b: 01 July 1832 > 2 Jonas Warren b: 22 May 1836 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England > > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >

Would be grateful for a 184 and/or 1851 Stoke Goldington census lookup for Charles WARREN b1771. Thanks. Bob Foran - Connecticut USA 1 Charles Warren b: 22 September 1771 in Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England .. +Sarah Poulton m: 19 November 1792 in Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England 2 Joseph Warren b: 15 July 1796 in Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England ... +Sarah Brown b: 30 September 1791 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England m: 06 October 1819 in Gayhurst, Buckingham, England 2 John Warren b: 22 September 1794 2 Reuben Warren b: 04 September 1797 2 Thomas Warren b: 14 July 1802 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England 2 Elizabeth Warren b: 01 August 1804 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England

Would be grateful for a 1861 and/or 1871 Gayhurst census lookup for Joseph WARREN b1796. Thanks. Bob Foran - Connecticut USA 1 Joseph Warren b: 15 July 1796 in Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England .. +Sarah Brown b: 30 September 1791 in Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England m: 06 October 1819 in Gayhurst, Buckingham, England 2 John Warren b: 30 May 1830 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England ... +Isabella Coles b: 1826 in Kingsbridge, Devon, ENGLAND m: 15 March 1852 in Lambeth, "St. Johns Parish Church", Waterloo, Surrey, ENGLAND 2 Samuel Warren b: 29 August 1820 2 Elizabeth Warren b: 25 August 1823 2 Charles Warren b: 05 June 1825 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England ... +Margaret Unknown b: 1829 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England 2 William Warren b: 25 December 1827 2 Reuben Warren b: 01 July 1832 2 Jonas Warren b: 22 May 1836 in Gayhurst, Buckinghamshire, England