By the way - what I said about a Mr. Cheshire dying. Well, maybe there wasn't one. But if you get the birth certificate of one of Clara Smiths children, it should tell you her previous surnames, not just her last surname. I know from my great-great-grandmothers birth certificate that her mother was Jane Lloyd, previously Evans, & born Hargest (Welsh, in case you hadn't guessed). > > From: "Amanda Pickering" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/03/03 Thu PM 10:47:18 GMT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-BUCK] RE: CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > Fantastic, Paul, thanks so much - I tried finding her on Ancestry and got > nowhere fast. This list is wonderful! > > Best wishes > > Amanda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Irving" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-BUCK] RE: CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > > > And there's a Clara CHESHIRE in Whitchurch in 1851 - > > > > Oving Road, Witchurch > > William BRAZIER 31 b Whitchurch BKM Ag Lab > > Mary wife 31 do Lacemaker > > Betsy dau 11 do > > John son 1 do > > Clara CHESHIRE dau 11 do > > > > I'd look for a Mr. Cheshire dying sometime between 1840 & 1849, & his > > widow marrying William Brazier. > > > > I've noticed that step-children often retained their original surnames, > > & even when they appeared in censuse under a stepfathers name often > > reverted to the original after his death, or when old enough to decide > > for themselves. > > > > Paul > > > > Diana wrote: > > > > >Marriages Mar 1868 > > >Cheshire Clara Ann Kensington 1a 81 > > >Couling Elizabeth Kensington 1a 81 > > >ROWE Thomas Kensington 1a 81 > > >Smith Thomas William Kensington 1a 81 > > >Wells Ann Eliza Kensington 1a 81 > > > > > >No, we do not know for sure which individual goes with which, but it > seems > > >possible this could be a place to start - with her last name being > Cheshire. > > >You could send for the certificate to be sure. > > > > > >Happy hunting! > > > > > >Diana Robinson > > >Now in Rochester, NY, USA > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] > > >Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 AM > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > > > > >Hi everyone > > > > > >this is my first posting, and I'm very much hoping someone might be able > to > > >help me with early records from Whitchurch. I'm tryng to identify the > > >surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of > Harrow > > >(date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her > > >first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. > > > > > >Because of the dates, the first census I can access (1871) already has > Clara > > >Ann married, so I'd be very grateful if anyone is able to help? > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Amanda Pickering > > >Penzance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/05 > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Fantastic, Paul, thanks so much - I tried finding her on Ancestry and got nowhere fast. This list is wonderful! Best wishes Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-BUCK] RE: CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > And there's a Clara CHESHIRE in Whitchurch in 1851 - > > Oving Road, Witchurch > William BRAZIER 31 b Whitchurch BKM Ag Lab > Mary wife 31 do Lacemaker > Betsy dau 11 do > John son 1 do > Clara CHESHIRE dau 11 do > > I'd look for a Mr. Cheshire dying sometime between 1840 & 1849, & his > widow marrying William Brazier. > > I've noticed that step-children often retained their original surnames, > & even when they appeared in censuse under a stepfathers name often > reverted to the original after his death, or when old enough to decide > for themselves. > > Paul > > Diana wrote: > > >Marriages Mar 1868 > >Cheshire Clara Ann Kensington 1a 81 > >Couling Elizabeth Kensington 1a 81 > >ROWE Thomas Kensington 1a 81 > >Smith Thomas William Kensington 1a 81 > >Wells Ann Eliza Kensington 1a 81 > > > >No, we do not know for sure which individual goes with which, but it seems > >possible this could be a place to start - with her last name being Cheshire. > >You could send for the certificate to be sure. > > > >Happy hunting! > > > >Diana Robinson > >Now in Rochester, NY, USA > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > > >Hi everyone > > > >this is my first posting, and I'm very much hoping someone might be able to > >help me with early records from Whitchurch. I'm tryng to identify the > >surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of Harrow > >(date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her > >first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. > > > >Because of the dates, the first census I can access (1871) already has Clara > >Ann married, so I'd be very grateful if anyone is able to help? > > > >Thanks > > > >Amanda Pickering > >Penzance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/05 > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05

Sue, I have some Hedges married into my Tibby line (from Bucks) if you might be interested. Pen

Dammit! Should have added this - Marriages Jun 1845 Brazier William Aylesbury 6 455 Cheshire Mary Aylesbury 6 455 Paul Sue Hedges wrote: > Dear Amanda > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] > > I'm tryng to identify the > >> surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of >> Harrow >> (date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had >> her >> first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. > > > I was drawn to this by the mention of the name HEDGES. There is no > Clara or Clara Ann HEDGES born c 1845 in my database. However, from > the GRO there is > this marriage - > > March quarter 1868 Kensington 1a 81. > Thoams William SMITH > Clara Ann CHESHIRE > > Sue > Researching the HEDGES surname World-wide > www.Hedges-Study.org > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > >> Hi Amanda >> >> Lucky you to be in Penzance!! I'm sea-green with envy. >> >> Not sure if anyone else responded to your query. I've checked >> Whitchurch >> 1851 and found these Clara(h)s: >> >> Oving Road >> Thomas HEDGES Head M 51 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM >> Ann HEDGES Wife M 51 F Hardwick BKM >> Sarah HEDGES Dau U 17 F Whitchurch BKM >> Thomas HEDGES Son U 15 M Whitchurch BKM >> Clarah HEDGES Dau 7 F Whitchurch BKM > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/05

1841 census, Whitchurch John CHESHIRE 50 Ag Lab Y Mary CHESHIRE 50 Y Cela? CHESHIRE 20 Y Clara CHESHIRE 1 Y Also quite a few other Cheshires. I think certificates are needed. That marriage, one of the children of William & Clara Smith, & maybe Clara Cheshires birth. Paul Sue Hedges wrote: > Dear Amanda > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] > > I'm tryng to identify the > >> surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of >> Harrow >> (date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had >> her >> first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. > > > I was drawn to this by the mention of the name HEDGES. There is no > Clara or Clara Ann HEDGES born c 1845 in my database. However, from > the GRO there is > this marriage - > > March quarter 1868 Kensington 1a 81. > Thoams William SMITH > Clara Ann CHESHIRE > > Sue > Researching the HEDGES surname World-wide > www.Hedges-Study.org > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > >> Hi Amanda >> >> Lucky you to be in Penzance!! I'm sea-green with envy. >> >> Not sure if anyone else responded to your query. I've checked >> Whitchurch >> 1851 and found these Clara(h)s: >> >> Oving Road >> Thomas HEDGES Head M 51 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM >> Ann HEDGES Wife M 51 F Hardwick BKM >> Sarah HEDGES Dau U 17 F Whitchurch BKM >> Thomas HEDGES Son U 15 M Whitchurch BKM >> Clarah HEDGES Dau 7 F Whitchurch BKM > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/05

Oh yes. Richard E. Kent wrote: >I,m just a rookie here, but were there any English wars during these times >that he may have been killed in? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tompkins, M.L." <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:49 AM >Subject: [ENG-BUCK] Henry WATTS gent, Winslow, Whaddon, 1530s > > > > >>Does anyone know anything about a Henry Wattes, gentleman, who seems to >> >> >have been knocking around Winslow and the surrounding area in the 1530s, and >was of Hurst in Berkshire in 1556? > > >>My reason for asking is that, as I've mentioned before, I'm studying the >> >> >people of Great Horwood between 1400 and 1600 for a PhD, principally through >the manorial court rolls. My main focus is on the people who held land >there, and I need to place each landholder in his social context - how >wealthy he was, how much land he had and where, how he made his living, who >he was connected to, where he lived. > > >>But of course not everyone who held land in Great Horwood was resident in >> >> >the village. I have quite a bit of the sort of information I need for the >resident landholders, from the Great Horwood records, but very little for >most of the absentee landholders. Many them were probably peasants living >in the neighbouring villages, like Little Horwood, Whaddon, Nash, >Thornborough, Addington, Adstock and Winslow, and it is quite difficult to >discover anything about such people in the 15th and early 16th centuries - >the records just don't exist. However I occasionally come across someone >who appears to be from a little higher up the social ladder, from the >classes whose records do often survive, and it may be that some information >about him is already in print somewhere. He may even be an ancestor of >someone subscribing to this list. > > >>So I'm planning to make two or three postings about people of this sort, >> >> >in the hope that someone may be able to point me towards some information >about them. Ideally economic information, but even purely genealogical data >would be gratefully received. > > >>And of course if he is anyone's ancestor then I'll be happy to supply what >> >> >information I have about his activities in Great Horwood in return (in fact >generally I can do this for anyone who has ancestors in Great Horwood before >1600). > > >>The subject of this particular posting, Henry Wattes, gentleman, appears >> >> >in the Great Horwood records several times between 1529 and 1541. In 1529 >he is described as of Winslow, and in 1535 of Whaddon. He appears once more >in 1556, when he is of Hurst in Berks. He doesn't appear in the 1522 Muster >Roll anywhere in Bucks, but is one of the richer taxpayers of Winslow in >the 1524/5 Lay Subsidy Roll. However he doesn't appear in the 1535 Lay >Subsidy roll for Winslow (nor in Whaddon or any of the other villages >surrounding Great Horwood). > > >>A Gilbert Wattes was resident in Great Horwood from 1507 until 1522, and >> >> >might possibly be his father, but Henry's rather higher social class makes >this unlikely. > > >>Thanks very much, >> >>Matt Tompkins >>Centre for English Local History >>University of Leicester >>5 Salisbury Road >>Leicester LE1 7QR >> >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/05

And there's a Clara CHESHIRE in Whitchurch in 1851 - Oving Road, Witchurch William BRAZIER 31 b Whitchurch BKM Ag Lab Mary wife 31 do Lacemaker Betsy dau 11 do John son 1 do Clara CHESHIRE dau 11 do I'd look for a Mr. Cheshire dying sometime between 1840 & 1849, & his widow marrying William Brazier. I've noticed that step-children often retained their original surnames, & even when they appeared in censuse under a stepfathers name often reverted to the original after his death, or when old enough to decide for themselves. Paul Diana wrote: >Marriages Mar 1868 >Cheshire Clara Ann Kensington 1a 81 >Couling Elizabeth Kensington 1a 81 >ROWE Thomas Kensington 1a 81 >Smith Thomas William Kensington 1a 81 >Wells Ann Eliza Kensington 1a 81 > >No, we do not know for sure which individual goes with which, but it seems >possible this could be a place to start - with her last name being Cheshire. >You could send for the certificate to be sure. > >Happy hunting! > >Diana Robinson >Now in Rochester, NY, USA > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > >Hi everyone > >this is my first posting, and I'm very much hoping someone might be able to >help me with early records from Whitchurch. I'm tryng to identify the >surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of Harrow >(date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her >first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. > >Because of the dates, the first census I can access (1871) already has Clara >Ann married, so I'd be very grateful if anyone is able to help? > >Thanks > >Amanda Pickering >Penzance > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/05

Sue, you are a diamond of the tallest order! thanks so much --I'm off to Ancestry pronto! Thanks Amanda Penzance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hedges" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > Dear Amanda > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] > I'm tryng to identify the > > surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of Harrow > > (date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her > > first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. > > I was drawn to this by the mention of the name HEDGES. There is no Clara or > Clara Ann HEDGES born c 1845 in my database. However, from the GRO there is > this marriage - > > March quarter 1868 Kensington 1a 81. > Thoams William SMITH > Clara Ann CHESHIRE > > Sue > Researching the HEDGES surname World-wide > www.Hedges-Study.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > > > Hi Amanda > > > > Lucky you to be in Penzance!! I'm sea-green with envy. > > > > Not sure if anyone else responded to your query. I've checked Whitchurch > > 1851 and found these Clara(h)s: > > > > Oving Road > > Thomas HEDGES Head M 51 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM > > Ann HEDGES Wife M 51 F Hardwick BKM > > Sarah HEDGES Dau U 17 F Whitchurch BKM > > Thomas HEDGES Son U 15 M Whitchurch BKM > > Clarah HEDGES Dau 7 F Whitchurch BKM > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05

Dear Amanda -----Original Message----- > From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] I'm tryng to identify the > surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of Harrow > (date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her > first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. I was drawn to this by the mention of the name HEDGES. There is no Clara or Clara Ann HEDGES born c 1845 in my database. However, from the GRO there is this marriage - March quarter 1868 Kensington 1a 81. Thoams William SMITH Clara Ann CHESHIRE Sue Researching the HEDGES surname World-wide www.Hedges-Study.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > Hi Amanda > > Lucky you to be in Penzance!! I'm sea-green with envy. > > Not sure if anyone else responded to your query. I've checked Whitchurch > 1851 and found these Clara(h)s: > > Oving Road > Thomas HEDGES Head M 51 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM > Ann HEDGES Wife M 51 F Hardwick BKM > Sarah HEDGES Dau U 17 F Whitchurch BKM > Thomas HEDGES Son U 15 M Whitchurch BKM > Clarah HEDGES Dau 7 F Whitchurch BKM

I,m just a rookie here, but were there any English wars during these times that he may have been killed in? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tompkins, M.L." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: [ENG-BUCK] Henry WATTS gent, Winslow, Whaddon, 1530s > Does anyone know anything about a Henry Wattes, gentleman, who seems to have been knocking around Winslow and the surrounding area in the 1530s, and was of Hurst in Berkshire in 1556? > > My reason for asking is that, as I've mentioned before, I'm studying the people of Great Horwood between 1400 and 1600 for a PhD, principally through the manorial court rolls. My main focus is on the people who held land there, and I need to place each landholder in his social context - how wealthy he was, how much land he had and where, how he made his living, who he was connected to, where he lived. > > But of course not everyone who held land in Great Horwood was resident in the village. I have quite a bit of the sort of information I need for the resident landholders, from the Great Horwood records, but very little for most of the absentee landholders. Many them were probably peasants living in the neighbouring villages, like Little Horwood, Whaddon, Nash, Thornborough, Addington, Adstock and Winslow, and it is quite difficult to discover anything about such people in the 15th and early 16th centuries - the records just don't exist. However I occasionally come across someone who appears to be from a little higher up the social ladder, from the classes whose records do often survive, and it may be that some information about him is already in print somewhere. He may even be an ancestor of someone subscribing to this list. > > So I'm planning to make two or three postings about people of this sort, in the hope that someone may be able to point me towards some information about them. Ideally economic information, but even purely genealogical data would be gratefully received. > > And of course if he is anyone's ancestor then I'll be happy to supply what information I have about his activities in Great Horwood in return (in fact generally I can do this for anyone who has ancestors in Great Horwood before 1600). > > The subject of this particular posting, Henry Wattes, gentleman, appears in the Great Horwood records several times between 1529 and 1541. In 1529 he is described as of Winslow, and in 1535 of Whaddon. He appears once more in 1556, when he is of Hurst in Berks. He doesn't appear in the 1522 Muster Roll anywhere in Bucks, but is one of the richer taxpayers of Winslow in the 1524/5 Lay Subsidy Roll. However he doesn't appear in the 1535 Lay Subsidy roll for Winslow (nor in Whaddon or any of the other villages surrounding Great Horwood). > > A Gilbert Wattes was resident in Great Horwood from 1507 until 1522, and might possibly be his father, but Henry's rather higher social class makes this unlikely. > > Thanks very much, > > Matt Tompkins > Centre for English Local History > University of Leicester > 5 Salisbury Road > Leicester LE1 7QR > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

FreeBMD has a page as follows: Marriages Mar 1868 Cheshire Clara Ann Kensington 1a 81 Couling Elizabeth Kensington 1a 81 ROWE Thomas Kensington 1a 81 Smith Thomas William Kensington 1a 81 Wells Ann Eliza Kensington 1a 81 No, we do not know for sure which individual goes with which, but it seems possible this could be a place to start - with her last name being Cheshire. You could send for the certificate to be sure. Happy hunting! Diana Robinson Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 Hi everyone this is my first posting, and I'm very much hoping someone might be able to help me with early records from Whitchurch. I'm tryng to identify the surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of Harrow (date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. Because of the dates, the first census I can access (1871) already has Clara Ann married, so I'd be very grateful if anyone is able to help? Thanks Amanda Pickering Penzance -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/05 ______________________________

Hello List, I have finally obtained my Marriage Cert for Joseph Meadows to Ann Gates, 1842 they were both living in Castlethorpe, was hoping SKS if they are going to the records office would they be kind enough to look-up the 1841 Census for Castlethorpe by any chance, Thank you, Iris

In message <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes >Ann CONSTABLE married Richard LEE, the immigrant founder of the Va. LEES. I >understand that Ann's father was Francis CONSTABLE, born in 1592 in Datchet, >Buckinghamshire. >Is anyone on this list researching this family? I know a man who knows more about Richard Lee than most - will check with him shortly. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:27:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I know a man who knows more about Richard Lee than most - will check with him shortly. -- Eve McLaughlin --------- Eve, thank you so much. Velma

Does anyone know anything about a Henry Wattes, gentleman, who seems to have been knocking around Winslow and the surrounding area in the 1530s, and was of Hurst in Berkshire in 1556? My reason for asking is that, as I've mentioned before, I'm studying the people of Great Horwood between 1400 and 1600 for a PhD, principally through the manorial court rolls. My main focus is on the people who held land there, and I need to place each landholder in his social context - how wealthy he was, how much land he had and where, how he made his living, who he was connected to, where he lived. But of course not everyone who held land in Great Horwood was resident in the village. I have quite a bit of the sort of information I need for the resident landholders, from the Great Horwood records, but very little for most of the absentee landholders. Many them were probably peasants living in the neighbouring villages, like Little Horwood, Whaddon, Nash, Thornborough, Addington, Adstock and Winslow, and it is quite difficult to discover anything about such people in the 15th and early 16th centuries - the records just don't exist. However I occasionally come across someone who appears to be from a little higher up the social ladder, from the classes whose records do often survive, and it may be that some information about him is already in print somewhere. He may even be an ancestor of someone subscribing to this list. So I'm planning to make two or three postings about people of this sort, in the hope that someone may be able to point me towards some information about them. Ideally economic information, but even purely genealogical data would be gratefully received. And of course if he is anyone's ancestor then I'll be happy to supply what information I have about his activities in Great Horwood in return (in fact generally I can do this for anyone who has ancestors in Great Horwood before 1600). The subject of this particular posting, Henry Wattes, gentleman, appears in the Great Horwood records several times between 1529 and 1541. In 1529 he is described as of Winslow, and in 1535 of Whaddon. He appears once more in 1556, when he is of Hurst in Berks. He doesn't appear in the 1522 Muster Roll anywhere in Bucks, but is one of the richer taxpayers of Winslow in the 1524/5 Lay Subsidy Roll. However he doesn't appear in the 1535 Lay Subsidy roll for Winslow (nor in Whaddon or any of the other villages surrounding Great Horwood). A Gilbert Wattes was resident in Great Horwood from 1507 until 1522, and might possibly be his father, but Henry's rather higher social class makes this unlikely. Thanks very much, Matt Tompkins Centre for English Local History University of Leicester 5 Salisbury Road Leicester LE1 7QR

Ann CONSTABLE married Richard LEE, the immigrant founder of the Va. LEES. I understand that Ann's father was Francis CONSTABLE, born in 1592 in Datchet, Buckinghamshire. Is anyone on this list researching this family? Thanks, Velma

Fitzhugh's 'Dictionary of Genealogy' says that a scavenger was an urban official responsible for keeping the streets clean. Under him he were rakers who went around three times a week doing the work of clearing the night-soil and rubbish put out by the households. Fitzhugh says that scavengers sometimes combined other responsibilities along with cleanliness. This fits with what Matt said. Liane

In message <[email protected]>, jsavile <[email protected]> writes >Sifting through information purchased from Bucks FHS, I'm curious as to some >of the occupations listed. I believe they would be to do with shoemaking >but can anyone tell me please what is a 'laster' or a 'liftmaker'? And >what exactly is a 'scavenger'? In theory, they should be able to tell you, but maybe not. laster - boot and shoe trade, a maker of shaped wooden 'feet, on which a bespoke shoe was made. The best shoemakers kept individual lasts for all their customers, from which a new pair could be created without further meauring. Factory shoe would have a metal past, not tailored to individual feet, but sized and also shaped rioght and left (early shoes were not) liftmakers should be building up show heels from shaped strips of leather (best) or a leather outer filled with a paste composition (cheap) a scavenger is a dustman in a town, collecting up rubbish from houses and the street (employed by the town or parish) In London at least, there were free lance scavengers, poor people who made a living by rummaging in rubbish tips for what they could find (and it wasn't always 'a bloke in Leather Lane dropped a diamond down a drain, so we;s going there again, down below'.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Thanks Celia, and doh! I should have thought of that! I'll keep these details by til I know which is my Clara...,much appreciated. Best wishes Amanda in sleety Penzance with a sea fog ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > Hi Amanda > > Lucky you to be in Penzance!! I'm sea-green with envy. > > Not sure if anyone else responded to your query. I've checked Whitchurch > 1851 and found these Clara(h)s: > > Oving Road > Thomas HEDGES Head M 51 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM > Ann HEDGES Wife M 51 F Hardwick BKM > Sarah HEDGES Dau U 17 F Whitchurch BKM > Thomas HEDGES Son U 15 M Whitchurch BKM > Clarah HEDGES Dau 7 F Whitchurch BKM > > Oving Road > William BRAZIER Head M 31 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM > Mary BRAZIER Wife M 31 F Lacemaker Whitchurch BKM > Betsy BRAZIER Dau 11F Whitchurch BKM > John BRAZIER Son 1 M Whitchurch BKM > Clara CHESHIRE Dau 11 F Whitchurch BKM > > High Street > John MOSCROP Head M 29 M Grocer Bolton LAN > Ann MOSCROP Wife M 23 F Waddesdon BKM > William MOSCROP Son 5 M Whitchurch BKM > Clara MOSCROP Dau 3 F Whitchurch BKM > > High Street > Richard MOSCROP Head M 52 M Manager Silk Factory Bolton LAN > Mary MOSCROP Wife M 53 F Bolton LAN > Clara MOSCROP Dau U 25 F Draper Bolton LAN > Jane MOSCROP Niece M 22 F Handloom Weaver Silk Dinton BKM > > Market Street > James SHEPHARD Head M 41 M Drover of cattle Whitchurch BKM > Ann SHEPHARD Wife M 42 F Weedon BKM > George SHEPHARD Son U 18 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM > Rebeca SHEPHARD Dau U 14 F Plaiter Whitchurch BKM > Clara SHEPHARD Dau U 9 F Scholar Whitchurch BKM > Sobina SHEPHARD Dau 7 F Scholar Whitchurch BKM > Harriott SHEPHARD Dau 7 F Scholar Whitchurch BKM > Lowis SHEPHARD Dau 4 F Whitchurch BKM > > The only Clara Ann in the 1851 Bucks census (if my disc worked rightly) is > age 25 and not born Whitchurch. > > If you get the birth cert for Clara Matilda SMITH, that should give you her > mum's surname. > > Hope this helps. > Celia Renshaw > In Chesterfield UK > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 01 March 2005 09:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 > > Hi everyone > > this is my first posting, and I'm very much hoping someone might be able to > help me with early records from Whitchurch. I'm tryng to identify the > surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of Harrow > (date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her > first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. > > Because of the dates, the first census I can access (1871) already has Clara > Ann married, so I'd be very grateful if anyone is able to help? > > Thanks > > Amanda Pickering > Penzance > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/05 > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/05

Hi Amanda Lucky you to be in Penzance!! I'm sea-green with envy. Not sure if anyone else responded to your query. I've checked Whitchurch 1851 and found these Clara(h)s: Oving Road Thomas HEDGES Head M 51 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM Ann HEDGES Wife M 51 F Hardwick BKM Sarah HEDGES Dau U 17 F Whitchurch BKM Thomas HEDGES Son U 15 M Whitchurch BKM Clarah HEDGES Dau 7 F Whitchurch BKM Oving Road William BRAZIER Head M 31 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM Mary BRAZIER Wife M 31 F Lacemaker Whitchurch BKM Betsy BRAZIER Dau 11F Whitchurch BKM John BRAZIER Son 1 M Whitchurch BKM Clara CHESHIRE Dau 11 F Whitchurch BKM High Street John MOSCROP Head M 29 M Grocer Bolton LAN Ann MOSCROP Wife M 23 F Waddesdon BKM William MOSCROP Son 5 M Whitchurch BKM Clara MOSCROP Dau 3 F Whitchurch BKM High Street Richard MOSCROP Head M 52 M Manager Silk Factory Bolton LAN Mary MOSCROP Wife M 53 F Bolton LAN Clara MOSCROP Dau U 25 F Draper Bolton LAN Jane MOSCROP Niece M 22 F Handloom Weaver Silk Dinton BKM Market Street James SHEPHARD Head M 41 M Drover of cattle Whitchurch BKM Ann SHEPHARD Wife M 42 F Weedon BKM George SHEPHARD Son U 18 M Ag Lab Whitchurch BKM Rebeca SHEPHARD Dau U 14 F Plaiter Whitchurch BKM Clara SHEPHARD Dau U 9 F Scholar Whitchurch BKM Sobina SHEPHARD Dau 7 F Scholar Whitchurch BKM Harriott SHEPHARD Dau 7 F Scholar Whitchurch BKM Lowis SHEPHARD Dau 4 F Whitchurch BKM The only Clara Ann in the 1851 Bucks census (if my disc worked rightly) is age 25 and not born Whitchurch. If you get the birth cert for Clara Matilda SMITH, that should give you her mum's surname. Hope this helps. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Pickering [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 March 2005 09:00 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-BUCK] CLARA ANN **** WHITCHURCH 1845 Hi everyone this is my first posting, and I'm very much hoping someone might be able to help me with early records from Whitchurch. I'm tryng to identify the surname of Clara Ann, b 1845. She married a THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH of Harrow (date unknown, wonder if this took place in Whitchurch also), and had her first child, Clara Matilda Smith, in Westminster 1869. Because of the dates, the first census I can access (1871) already has Clara Ann married, so I'd be very grateful if anyone is able to help? Thanks Amanda Pickering Penzance -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/05 ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx