Hi All Dave made a real good suggestion a week or two ago but has I hate laptop and it takes me ages to write anything on them so I left it , anyway I have managed to get down to my basement and am on a proper computer , which is great How about everyone telling us about any family tales you have must be plenty out there Think I have told you about this one before but here it goes again , my mother in law told me this one , and she regretted telling me the moment she said about it , but I have more details than I had last time Ann Marie Birch was born West Bromwich about 1865, daughter of William Birch and Elizabeth Blower She married a George Hickman born about March 1859 son of John Hickman and Mary Taylor they got married 1885 at St Johns West Bromwich Ann Marie killed herself in 1908 by hanging herself in the loo and it was stated the balance of her mind was disturbed My mother in law said it was because her husband had gone to war and left someone in charge of there coal business who sent them bankrupt . When I was told about this I had no dates or anything but when I started checking in to things I thought this cant be right one her husband would of been far to old to go into the army and the only death cert I could find that matched was for 1908 which I ordered and it was the correct one , so what was the reason she hanged her self , with the help of Liz , we did managed to sort it out (we think ) this George Henry Hickman was having an affair with this woman and had children by him so that's why she hung herself , my mother in law always said she did it because she was ashamed George Hickman married Mary Hall in 1910 and he abandoned most of his children , who went to live with there older sister Mary at Horton Street West Bromwich , Mary lived at that house in Horton Street till she died in 1970 and her brothers sisters who lived with her where married from that house and some still lived with her after they married , and always kept close to her younger brothers and sisters , in fact my husband used to his Aunt Mary's every day for his dinner till he left school , and used to help her with her job at home doing the bars for electric fires So every one lets hear from you on your family tales Cheers Cassy