Hi to one and all and a very Happy New Year too. I have learnt so much from readying all the data about trees on ancestry - much of it I was not aware of and so I say a big thank you to those who submitted it. I always email a submitter before using the information that may appear to match that on my tree and then double and triple check to see if my data agrees with theirs. I have had not luck whatsoever in tracing anyone who has direct links to my SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands and so I must confess that I take the opportunity to publish at any chance that I can. As for deleting other people's names on trees, etc., I would not have a clue how and certainly do not want to know nor have the time to do so. Too busy with the correct information. Regards, Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (James P.) > 2. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Marie) > 3. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > (maaisha@aol.com) > 4. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Ron Snape) > 5. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) > 6. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) > 7. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Kathryne Natale) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:41:58 -0800 > From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, > Issue 2 > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3633D8E4F3E357F9B17958A1900@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. > You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they > sell > it. > > I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to > establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details > as > we go along. > > I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask > that they agree to not publish on public lists. > > Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and > found > information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was > little information. > > I did not, and will not correct the listing. > > James > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:53:05 -0600 > From: "Marie" <omamarie@kc.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol > 7, Issue 2 > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <699AF465F1194A63B63440545AE1567B@DriscollPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did that > to > see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, > but > when I clicked it again they all reappeared. > > Marie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue > 2 > > >> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >> sell >> it. >> >> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details >> as >> we go along. >> >> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >> >> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >> found >> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was >> little information. >> >> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) > From: maaisha@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol > 7, Issue 2 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE96DECDE0DBE0-7F8-4ABF5@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors > others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing > windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information > would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the trees, > and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to > their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy the > erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at it. > Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I > need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record > collection. > I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and > attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the > hereafter. :) > Regards, > Lois > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue > 2 > > > Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. > You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they > sell > it. > > I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to > establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details > as > we go along. > > I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask > that they agree to not publish on public lists. > > Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and > found > information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was > little information. > > I did not, and will not correct the listing. > > James > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by > Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to > your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <memo.20120101213312.4964B@snape.cix.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hallo Pat. > > Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because > of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared > information previously. > > Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems professional, > it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred > here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly > someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the > surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, > accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than > to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there > would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the software > design). > >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family > > Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with > another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and > continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is > vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to > identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable > fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have common > ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. > > Regards, > > Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!). > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:56:43 +0000 > From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAGCXaJWsKJrhY+wkuaWdERhTDO_+=+rRzn85Efjg2Wd3o5kSQQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted > it > and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published > photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was `by > courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as their > own work. One of them even published my former email address for people to > contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your > leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their > cheek, I decided to say nothing. > > As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that it`s > in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the information, > it belongs to them. > > A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key > thing, > is to remember to update it regularly. > > Regards > > Val > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:06:59 +0000 > From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAGCXaJXDOE2TQpKZRhp-xMp5s2UOrSpa86r_mC1=hokagXFQcw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told > by > my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I know > that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church > army` > is another name for Evangelist. > > I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her > married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have > made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. > > Has sks any ideas please? > > thanks > > Val > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) > From: Kathryne Natale <momnat@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE96EB3AF5647E-24A8-61FE7@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - > I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I > would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law > who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put > online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and no > reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my > documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or > thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well > documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the connection > between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know > hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me > even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every > source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as I > have periods of forced time away from research. I recen! > tly found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to > yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later > information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier > generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or contact > them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't > searched online. I have done further research on this line. > > > As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going > to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had been > considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone > else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? Not > sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need > to decide right now. > > > Kathryne Natale > momnat@aol.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > . > > Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once > with > someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited > access by > other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, with > errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct > errors, > but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave > their > errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it as > a red > flag. > If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be > downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They > can also > directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is > private it > cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you > have in > a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a > probable > match, and contact information. They can then write to you through > Ancestry > (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I > must > say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private > submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, claiming > the > records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public records > of my > grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as > names > of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by > stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect for > such > people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't > understand what > their goal is. > As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry > for the > reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all worried > about > my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, and > keep > that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of I > don't > know what). Just keep your tree private. > You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your information. > I do > recommend a private tree on Ancestry. > To a Happy and Better New Year! > Lois in Michigan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to > ?Ancestry?. I > thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer crashed > at > any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor > eyesight. > This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do > You > Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of > ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. > > I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that > someone had > > hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to > this > other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my > husband?s > name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. > > It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then > realised that > > all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and this > has > certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? > Regards > Pat. > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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