> "I have had not luck whatsoever in tracing anyone who has direct links to > my > SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands ......." Hi Kerry, A Happy New Year to all on the list! I too have have a problem with my SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands. As far back as I can go is with my gg grandparents THOMAS SIMPSON b abt 1807 Oldbury, a boatman and HANNAH BIRCH b abt 1810 Oldbury. m 15 Jun 1829 at 'The Parish Church Halesowen. witnesses W.SIMPSON and CHARLOTTE SIMPSON." >From the 1851 census,they had the following known children: Harriot, Zillah, John, Frances, George, and Emily. The first five all I have is their christening records. With Emily, my g grandmother, I have her birth certificate. I suspect the major problem with researching them is that Thomas was a boatman. Here's hoping YOUR SIMPSONS are MY SIMPSONS....<<<<<G>>>>>>. Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:24 AM > Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (James P.) >> 2. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Marie) >> 3. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> (maaisha@aol.com) >> 4. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Ron Snape) >> 5. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >> 6. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >> 7. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Kathryne Natale) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:41:58 -0800 >> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >> Issue 2 >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3633D8E4F3E357F9B17958A1900@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >> sell >> it. >> >> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details >> as >> we go along. >> >> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >> >> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >> found >> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was >> little information. >> >> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:53:05 -0600 >> From: "Marie" <omamarie@kc.rr.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >> 7, Issue 2 >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <699AF465F1194A63B63440545AE1567B@DriscollPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did that >> to >> see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, >> but >> when I clicked it again they all reappeared. >> >> Marie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >> Issue >> 2 >> >> >>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>> sell >>> it. >>> >>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>> details >>> as >>> we go along. >>> >>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>> >>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>> found >>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>> was >>> little information. >>> >>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run >>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>> ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) >> From: maaisha@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >> 7, Issue 2 >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CE96DECDE0DBE0-7F8-4ABF5@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors >> others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing >> windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information >> would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the trees, >> and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to >> their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy >> the >> erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at >> it. >> Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I >> need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record >> collection. >> I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and >> attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the >> hereafter. :) >> Regards, >> Lois >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >> Issue >> 2 >> >> >> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >> sell >> it. >> >> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details >> as >> we go along. >> >> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >> >> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >> found >> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was >> little information. >> >> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by >> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to >> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) >> From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <memo.20120101213312.4964B@snape.cix.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hallo Pat. >> >> Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because >> of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared >> information previously. >> >> Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems professional, >> it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred >> here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly >> someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the >> surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, >> accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than >> to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there >> would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the software >> design). >> >>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family >> >> Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with >> another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and >> continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is >> vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to >> identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable >> fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have common >> ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!). >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:56:43 +0000 >> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAGCXaJWsKJrhY+wkuaWdERhTDO_+=+rRzn85Efjg2Wd3o5kSQQ@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi, >> >> I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted >> it >> and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published >> photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was `by >> courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as their >> own work. One of them even published my former email address for people >> to >> contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your >> leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their >> cheek, I decided to say nothing. >> >> As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that it`s >> in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the >> information, >> it belongs to them. >> >> A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key >> thing, >> is to remember to update it regularly. >> >> Regards >> >> Val >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:06:59 +0000 >> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAGCXaJXDOE2TQpKZRhp-xMp5s2UOrSpa86r_mC1=hokagXFQcw@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi, >> >> My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told >> by >> my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I >> know >> that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church >> army` >> is another name for Evangelist. >> >> I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her >> married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have >> made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. >> >> Has sks any ideas please? >> >> thanks >> >> Val >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) >> From: Kathryne Natale <momnat@aol.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CE96EB3AF5647E-24A8-61FE7@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - >> I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I >> would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law >> who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put >> online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and >> no >> reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my >> documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or >> thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well >> documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the >> connection >> between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know >> hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me >> even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every >> source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as I >> have periods of forced time away from research. I recen! >> tly found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to >> yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later >> information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier >> generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or contact >> them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't >> searched online. I have done further research on this line. >> >> >> As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going >> to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had been >> considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone >> else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? >> Not >> sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need >> to decide right now. >> >> >> Kathryne Natale >> momnat@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> . >> >> Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once >> with >> someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited >> access by >> other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, >> with >> errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct >> errors, >> but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave >> their >> errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it as >> a red >> flag. >> If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be >> downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They >> can also >> directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is >> private it >> cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you >> have in >> a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a >> probable >> match, and contact information. They can then write to you through >> Ancestry >> (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I >> must >> say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private >> submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, >> claiming >> the >> records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public >> records >> of my >> grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as >> names >> of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by >> stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect >> for >> such >> people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't >> understand what >> their goal is. >> As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry >> for the >> reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all worried >> about >> my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, >> and >> keep >> that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of I >> don't >> know what). Just keep your tree private. >> You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your information. >> I do >> recommend a private tree on Ancestry. >> To a Happy and Better New Year! >> Lois in Michigan >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >> ?Ancestry?. I >> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >> crashed >> at >> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor >> eyesight. >> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >> You >> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >> >> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >> someone had >> >> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >> this >> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >> husband?s >> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >> >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >> realised that >> >> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >> this >> has >> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >> Regards >> Pat. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by >> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to >> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 >> *********************************************** >> > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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