Hi Kerry, I read your Simpson data with interest as I have a Simpson from the Brierly area. Do you have a Alice Harriet Simpson christened 19 Dec 1830 on your family tree? Her parents were Richard Simpson and Ellen Hubbard from Lichfield and then later Colton. Alice Harriet (she used the name Harriet) married John Ruscoe in Walsall in 1854 and their son Joseph Ruscoe was born at Batmans Hill, Brierley. They then emigrated to New Zealand and had a very large family. Let me know if there is a connection to your research. Anne On 3/1/12 4:41 PM, "eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com" <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SIMPSON family tree (kab635@tadaust.org.au) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:41:33 +1000 > From: <kab635@tadaust.org.au> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] SIMPSON family tree > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D85EB72BE3EC4E2DA050F03840717396@user7fadff8f54> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Jim, > Thank you for your posting. > I have traced my gr,grandfather Henry SIMPSON back to his parents Mary > SKELDING and William SIMPSON who were married in Saint George, Birmingham, > Warwick, England. > William was born in the 4Q of 1809 and christened in Brierley Hill - son of > John SIMPSON and Bettey PRICE. > I had a researcher doing some checking for him over in England and found > that John SIMPSON was the son of a Rebecca HILDITCH and John SIMPSON and > that he would have been born c1785 in Brierley Hill. Going back from there > most of the data I have seems to be in the Brierley Hill area. > Wish I was in England to actually view records myself - so much easier than > doing same from Queensland in a very sunny part of Australia at the moment. > Kind regards, Kerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:35 AM > Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Ancestry trees = Access levels (maaisha@aol.com) >> 2. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Jan Rockett) >> 3. Ancestry family tree problems (Rob Griffin) >> 4. Re: Ancestry trees (Jim) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:14:56 -0500 (EST) >> From: maaisha@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CE9780CD32797F-1140-4020B@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Yes, these are the levels of access the tree owner can give to people they >> invite to their tree, but this is only for private trees. There is no >> need to invite anyone to a public tree because they are already public. >> However, only the owner can make real changes to public trees. I think >> anyone can add comments on a particular document on a tree, but the owner >> is notified the comment has been put there, and can remove it, whether >> public or private. >> My own trees are private and I have given Editor permission to my brother. >> If he makes a change I receive an automated message directing me to the >> change. >> It is always a good idea to back up one's work, and print copies are a >> good idea. I have CD copies as well, but technology changes, and this >> might be as useful as an 8 track tape to our descendants. There are >> secure online options, such as Dropbox, that will keep your tree and other >> electronic documents updated out in internet space indefinitely. Some >> space is free, but after a certain amount there is a charge for the >> additional electronic storage. >> Cheers, Lois >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >> To: Louise De-Hayes <louhughes@blueyonder.co.uk>; eng-black-country >> <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:24 am >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels >> >> >> No Louise I have never invited anyone to view my family tree on Ancestry. >> I >> didn't know you could. Thank you for explaining it to me. I still cannot >> understand how a whole section of my tree can be deleted without my >> knowledge. I know the name of the person whose name and ancestors >> replaced >> mine. How can 180 names just be wiped off like that? I have told >> 'Ancestry' >> of my problem so I await their reply. >> >> I was pleased to receive your messages re the SMITH family all those years >> ago. >> Thanks for your help. >> Regards >> Pat >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Louise De-Hayes >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 AM >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels >> >> Pat, >> Just had a thought. Have you ever invited folk to view your 'tree' on >> Ancestry? If so, you need to check how they can operate; there are 3 >> options: editor, contributor or guest. >> >> -Editor: can change and add anything to it. >> -Contributor: can do just that but not alter stuff (I think) >> -Guest: can only view the tree. >> >> Always check what level of access folk can have: a couple of times, I have >> had to change access levels and usually only invite people to mine as >> guests, so at least they can't faff with it. >> >> All the best.... we last communicated some years ago about Frank Smith >> (son >> of Bob who had a shop on Oxford St I believe). >> Louise >> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy New Year everyone. >>>> >>>> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >>>> ?Ancestry?. I >>>> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >>>> crashed >>>> at >>>> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and >>>> poor >>>> eyesight. >>>> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >>>> You >>>> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >>>> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >>>> >>>> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >>>> someone had >>>> >>>> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >>>> this >>>> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >>>> husband?s >>>> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >>>> >>>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >>>> realised that >>>> >>>> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >>>> this >>>> has >>>> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >>>> Regards >>>> Pat. >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run >>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>> ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by >> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to >> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:02:52 -0000 >> From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <482A86B2757C486798ACE427EB13A528@JanTOSH> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Pat, >> I have read through some of the messages and looked at Ancestry and >> wondered >> if you have looked at all the Kerr trees as there are a lot. >> I assume you are on there as Patricia Kerr? There are a lot of these. >> Where >> were you born? and can I have the name of someone on your original tree >> that's not there now? Just a hunch that there is a glitch here. >> >> Jan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward >> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:15 PM >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> >> >> Thanks for your messages, suggestions and support. I have sent a message >> to >> 'Ancestry' to ask how this could happen and asking for their help. >> Years ago they gave my tree the name 'KERR Family Tree' but all entries >> for >> the name KERR, JOLLEY, KINNAIRD, ROSS, WRIGHT and many more had all been >> deleted. >> It was only later that I realised that my husband had been deleted and all >> his ancestor's names. HAYWARD, HALE, GRIFFITHS, HUGHES, HANCOX, DARBY etc >> etc. The more I think about it the more angry I get. >> >> Can you ask that no one changes your tree without your permission? Is that >> possible? >> Regard >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:31:50 -0000 >> From: "Rob Griffin" <rob@griffpost.co.uk> >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry family tree problems >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001001ccc985$2de69020$89b3b060$@griffpost.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Dear All >> >> >> >> I have read the various mails with some degree of alarm since I am just >> coming to the end of a six month trial period with Ancestry. Although I >> have found Ancestry very useful, I am now wary of continuing my >> subscription, perhaps transferring to Find My Past, but would there be >> similar problems there? I have my tree information backed up onto a >> separate hard drive and, as far as I am aware, have not given Ancestry >> permission for my details to go public. >> >> >> >> It must be really frustrating to folks who have worked hard to produce >> trees, then to have them hi-jacked and/or tampered with. >> >> >> >> Rob G >> >> Halesowen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:35:31 -0500 >> From: "Jim" <jabaxter1@frontier.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <0CCBF7784D924FC7B41784AFB1FDCFE2@owner7c03716c1> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> >> >>> "I have had not luck whatsoever in tracing anyone who has direct links to >>> my >>> SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands ......." >> Hi Kerry, >> A Happy New Year to all on the list! >> >> I too have have a problem with my SIMPSON ancestors from the West >> Midlands. >> As far back as I can go is with my gg grandparents THOMAS SIMPSON b abt >> 1807 >> Oldbury, a boatman and HANNAH BIRCH b abt 1810 Oldbury. m 15 Jun 1829 at >> 'The Parish Church Halesowen. witnesses W.SIMPSON and CHARLOTTE SIMPSON." >>> From the 1851 census,they had the following known children: Harriot, >>> Zillah, >> John, Frances, George, and Emily. The first five all I have is their >> christening records. With Emily, my g grandmother, I have her birth >> certificate. >> I suspect the major problem with researching them is that Thomas was a >> boatman. >> Here's hoping YOUR SIMPSONS are MY SIMPSONS....<<<<<G>>>>>>. >> >> Jim >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> >>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:24 AM >>> Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (James P.) >>>> 2. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Marie) >>>> 3. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>>> (maaisha@aol.com) >>>> 4. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Ron Snape) >>>> 5. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >>>> 6. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >>>> 7. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Kathryne Natale) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:41:58 -0800 >>>> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>>> Issue 2 >>>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3633D8E4F3E357F9B17958A1900@phx.gbl> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>>> sell >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>>> details >>>> as >>>> we go along. >>>> >>>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>>> >>>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>>> found >>>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>>> was >>>> little information. >>>> >>>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:53:05 -0600 >>>> From: "Marie" <omamarie@kc.rr.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >>>> 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <699AF465F1194A63B63440545AE1567B@DriscollPC> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did >>>> that >>>> to >>>> see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, >>>> but >>>> when I clicked it again they all reappeared. >>>> >>>> Marie >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>>> Issue >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>>>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>>>> sell >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>>>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>>>> details >>>>> as >>>>> we go along. >>>>> >>>>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and >>>>> ask >>>>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>>>> >>>>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>>>> found >>>>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>>>> was >>>>> little information. >>>>> >>>>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>>>> Run >>>>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>>>> ****************************** >>>>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>>>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>>>> ARCHIVED >>>>> MATERIALS. >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) >>>> From: maaisha@aol.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >>>> 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <8CE96DECDE0DBE0-7F8-4ABF5@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors >>>> others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing >>>> windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information >>>> would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the >>>> trees, >>>> and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to >>>> their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy >>>> the >>>> erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at >>>> it. >>>> Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I >>>> need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record >>>> collection. >>>> I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and >>>> attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the >>>> hereafter. :) >>>> Regards, >>>> Lois >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>>> Issue >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>>> sell >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>>> details >>>> as >>>> we go along. >>>> >>>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>>> >>>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>>> found >>>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>>> was >>>> little information. >>>> >>>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>>> Run >>>> by >>>> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>>> ****************************** >>>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>>> apply to >>>> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >>>> MATERIALS. >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>>> body >>>> of >>>> the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) >>>> From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <memo.20120101213312.4964B@snape.cix.co.uk> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> Hallo Pat. >>>> >>>> Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because >>>> of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared >>>> information previously. >>>> >>>> Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems >>>> professional, >>>> it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred >>>> here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly >>>> someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the >>>> surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, >>>> accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than >>>> to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there >>>> would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the >>>> software >>>> design). >>>> >>>>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family >>>> >>>> Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with >>>> another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and >>>> continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is >>>> vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to >>>> identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable >>>> fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have >>>> common >>>> ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!). >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:56:43 +0000 >>>> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAGCXaJWsKJrhY+wkuaWdERhTDO_+=+rRzn85Efjg2Wd3o5kSQQ@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted >>>> it >>>> and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published >>>> photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was >>>> `by >>>> courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as >>>> their >>>> own work. One of them even published my former email address for people >>>> to >>>> contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your >>>> leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their >>>> cheek, I decided to say nothing. >>>> >>>> As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that >>>> it`s >>>> in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the >>>> information, >>>> it belongs to them. >>>> >>>> A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key >>>> thing, >>>> is to remember to update it regularly. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Val >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:06:59 +0000 >>>> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAGCXaJXDOE2TQpKZRhp-xMp5s2UOrSpa86r_mC1=hokagXFQcw@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told >>>> by >>>> my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I >>>> know >>>> that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church >>>> army` >>>> is another name for Evangelist. >>>> >>>> I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her >>>> married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have >>>> made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. >>>> >>>> Has sks any ideas please? >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Val >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 7 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) >>>> From: Kathryne Natale <momnat@aol.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <8CE96EB3AF5647E-24A8-61FE7@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - >>>> I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I >>>> would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law >>>> who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put >>>> online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and >>>> no >>>> reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my >>>> documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or >>>> thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well >>>> documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the >>>> connection >>>> between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know >>>> hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me >>>> even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every >>>> source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as >>>> I >>>> have periods of forced time away from research. I recen! >>>> tly found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to >>>> yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later >>>> information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier >>>> generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or >>>> contact >>>> them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't >>>> searched online. I have done further research on this line. >>>> >>>> >>>> As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going >>>> to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had >>>> been >>>> considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone >>>> else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? >>>> Not >>>> sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need >>>> to decide right now. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kathryne Natale >>>> momnat@aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> . >>>> >>>> Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once >>>> with >>>> someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited >>>> access by >>>> other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, >>>> with >>>> errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct >>>> errors, >>>> but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave >>>> their >>>> errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it >>>> as >>>> a red >>>> flag. >>>> If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be >>>> downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They >>>> can also >>>> directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is >>>> private it >>>> cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you >>>> have in >>>> a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a >>>> probable >>>> match, and contact information. They can then write to you through >>>> Ancestry >>>> (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I >>>> must >>>> say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private >>>> submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, >>>> claiming >>>> the >>>> records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public >>>> records >>>> of my >>>> grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as >>>> names >>>> of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by >>>> stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect >>>> for >>>> such >>>> people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't >>>> understand what >>>> their goal is. >>>> As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry >>>> for the >>>> reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all >>>> worried >>>> about >>>> my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, >>>> and >>>> keep >>>> that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of >>>> I >>>> don't >>>> know what). Just keep your tree private. >>>> You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your >>>> information. >>>> I do >>>> recommend a private tree on Ancestry. >>>> To a Happy and Better New Year! >>>> Lois in Michigan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy New Year everyone. >>>> >>>> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >>>> ?Ancestry?. I >>>> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >>>> crashed >>>> at >>>> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and >>>> poor >>>> eyesight. >>>> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >>>> You >>>> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >>>> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >>>> >>>> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >>>> someone had >>>> >>>> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >>>> this >>>> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >>>> husband?s >>>> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >>>> >>>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >>>> realised that >>>> >>>> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >>>> this >>>> has >>>> certainly sent my temperature up. 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