Hi Mellie, A Frank Alford (sic) Bill (born 1895 or 1896) thanks david, I dont know if thats him, it could well be, I may have taken those details o ff the 1901 with any others that were there and put them in my "to do" file, which is an entire room LOL I have been concentrating on his wifes parents and grandparents for a while, very elusive LOL thanks for the info ~ email is printed off and put in my research folder to look at these, guess I should start with his marriage to alice green, to get more info on him first! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?