Hi Penny I have your George Trueman in the Baggott Clan, believe it or not. George Trueman, born 1857, Birmingham married Amelia Emily Wrencher, born Sep Qtr 1861, Birmingham - married Mar Qtr 1864, Birmingham Amelia Emily Wrencher is the daughter of: Joseph Forrest Wrencher, born Dec 28, 1832, Birmingham, c. Dec 1, 1834 married: Mary Ann Baggott, c. Jul 8, 1832, Birmingham, d. Mar 1902, King's Norton - married Dec Qtr 1864 Children are: Amelia Emily Wrencher, born Sep Qtr 1861, Aston Alice Elizabeth Wrencher (always known as Elizabeth Alice), born Mar Qtr 1870, Aston Joseph Henry Wrencher, c. Mar 18, 1872, Birmingham Stephen Wrencher, 1874 Charles Wrencher, 1877 Contact me off list and I can give more data. Vera Tagieff Montreal, Quebec, Canada vtagieff@hotmail.com vtagieff@sympatico.ca (for large files only, please) ----Original Message Follows---- From: FOUNTAlNPen@aol.com To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] TRUEMAN / ORGAN Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:56:26 EDT Dear Listers, Hoping for some help! I am trying to trace our TRUEMAN ancestors. Unfortunately there are 2 possible families (both of which I have got on with researching), but until I know the first name of the WIFE of great grandfather George TRUEMAN, (both lines), I won't know which family is the correct one. I could send for the marriage certificate of George TRUEMAN & Clara A. ORGAN, 1914,(grandparents) which would at least give me George's age....(aprox.27 or 30 depending on the line)...both fathers' names were, again, George. In the end, I probably will have to send for it. Unfortunately I have already spent a small fortune on certificates, so I thought a plea to the list might be helpful first? Was 'our' George's mother Emily, or Esther? Has anyone already done research on either of the two families below: - Family 1 : - 1901 (31st March). RG13/2858; ED34; Folio 36; Page 29; WKS; Aston; Deritend; (Holy Trinity). Sch.185, No.108 Trinity Street: George TRUEMAN, H, Wdr, 42, White Smith, worker, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1859] Lizzy TRUEMAN, Dau, S, 15, Manfctr's Warehouse Woman, worker, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1886] George TRUEMAN, Son, S, 14, Brass ?Filer (Work), worker, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1887] [27 in 1914] Alfred TRUEMAN, Son, 8, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1893] Joseph TRUEMAN, Son, 7, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1894] Harriet TRUEMAN, Mother, Wid, 72, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1829] Henry TRUEMAN, Brother, M, 45, Iron Forger, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1856] Harriet TRUEMAN, Sister, Wid, 34, Brush hand, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1867] Annie TRUEMAN, Dau, 10, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1891] & 1891 Census (5th April). RG12/2407; ED33; Folio 13; Page 21; WKS; Aston; Deritend; (Holy Trinity); Bordesley. Sch.126, No.100 Upper Trinity Street: George TRUEMAN, H, M, 34, Whitesmith, employed, b. WKS, Birmingham. Emily TRUEMAN, Wife, M, 30, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1861] [Died before 31st March, 1901] Emily Elizabeth TRUEMAN, Dau, 5, Scholar, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1886] George TRUEMAN, Son, 4, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1887] Rosie TRUEMAN, Dau, 2, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1889] OR Family 2: - 1901 (31st March). RG13/2867; ED5; Folio 106; Page 28; WKS; Aston; Duddeston; (St. James). Sch.156, No.112 Windsor Street: George TRUEMAN, H, M, 44, General Labourer, worker, b. WOR, Bromsgrove. [b. c1857] Esther TRUEMAN, Wife, M, 40, b. STS, Dudley. [b. c1861] Emma TRUEMAN, Dau, S, 18, Fancy Worker, worker, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1883] George TRUEMAN, Son, S, 17, St------ S----- [over written by presumptuous 'checker' with : B something Carter], worker, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1884] [30 in 1914] Beatrice TRUEMAN, Dau, 13, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1888] Roland TRUEMAN, Son, 7, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1894] & 1891 Census (5th April) RG12/2416; ED6; Folio 114; Page 23; WKS; Aston; Duddeston; (St. James); Bordesley. Sch.129, No.112 Windsor Street: [3] George TRUEMAN, H, M, 33, Brass Caster, employed, b. WOR, Bromsgrove. [b. c1858] Esther TRUEMAN, Wife, M, 30, b. WOR, Dudley. [b. c1861] Emma E. TRUEMAN, Dau, [looks like 11(checker's mark drawn over it) 'should be' 8], Scholar, b. WKS, Birmingham. George H. TRUEMAN, Son, 7, Scholar, b. WKS, Birmingham. [b. c1884] Beatrice T. TRUEMAN, Dau, 3, b. WKS, Birmingham. Sorry going on so long! Best wishes, Penny ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies)