Hi Gill, I note you have a PAINTER, Dudley areas listed in your interests. My wife has PAINTERs as Mother, Grandfather, Great Grandfather in the Dudley area mainly Brierley Hill: Mother, Elizabeth May PAINTER b 1900 Grandfather, William John PAINTER b about 1873 GrGrandfather, John PAINTER. b about 1846 Don't know if there is any connection. Best regards, Vic Kent, UK