Hello all Well, Tum Pepper seems to have company. I've never heard of Cracker Dan but he sounds a bit more fierce than Tum. Was he thrown out of hell also? I like your suggestion Jo, about 'orrismontle' being 'horizontal' Perhaps there was a connotation to this phrase that my innocent five year old ears failed to pick up! So tell me this. Why did the bad weather always come from the 'back of Bill's Mother's'? i.e.. "It looks a bit black over the back of Bill's Mother's" It didn't matter where you were at the time. This is one of life's little puzzles that needs solving. All the best Patsy