Hi All, I know there are a few COLLINS family researchers out there and I'm hoping that one of you can help me with this family. Found on the 1851 census- Birmingham Rd, West Bromwich John COLLINS, head, married, 73, nailor, West Bromwich Mary Ann COLLINS, wife, married, 53, West Bromwich James MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 32, general labourer, West Bromwich William MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 32, engineer, West Bromwich David MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 19, nail castor, West Bromwich John James COLLINS, grandson, single, 4, at home, West Bromwich. I think that the David MARTIN listed is my 3G Grandfather, but I am trying to work out the relationship to the COLLINS family. On the 1841 census David is listed with a Mary, James & William MARTIN, of course with no relationships listed I'm just guessing that they may have all been siblings with the possiblity that Mary may have been the mother. So does anyone own this family and if you do, do you know the maiden name of the wife? Thanks Anne Sweetman Brisbane, Australia

Hi Anne "Son-in-law" in this case means what we would now call a "step-son" (ie the relationship is through marriage). So to find Mary's maiden name you need to locate her marriage to John COLLINS between 1841 and 1851 and order the certificate. This should give you her father's name, and hence her maiden name. Polly Polly Rubery List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 rowberry@one-name.org http://www.rowberry.org Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <ianandanne@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:02 AM Subject: [B.C.] Collins Hi All, I know there are a few COLLINS family researchers out there and I'm hoping that one of you can help me with this family. Found on the 1851 census- Birmingham Rd, West Bromwich John COLLINS, head, married, 73, nailor, West Bromwich Mary Ann COLLINS, wife, married, 53, West Bromwich James MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 32, general labourer, West Bromwich William MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 32, engineer, West Bromwich David MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 19, nail castor, West Bromwich John James COLLINS, grandson, single, 4, at home, West Bromwich. I think that the David MARTIN listed is my 3G Grandfather, but I am trying to work out the relationship to the COLLINS family. On the 1841 census David is listed with a Mary, James & William MARTIN, of course with no relationships listed I'm just guessing that they may have all been siblings with the possiblity that Mary may have been the mother. So does anyone own this family and if you do, do you know the maiden name of the wife? Thanks Anne Sweetman Brisbane, Australia ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them!