>Or has that changed? No. That is what it has changed to in recent times. Formerly, on Census returns, "son in law" often meant what we would now call "step son." Ron S Original Message: ----------------- From: EDWARD SOUTHWICK ted.southwick@btinternet.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:27:33 +0100 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] Collins Morning Polly, I cannot see that these two terms, "step son" and "son in law" are interchangeable. whilst I agree that both relationships are by marriage, surly there is a generation gap. In my book a step son in only created by a second marriage where the new wife or husband takes on not only a partner, but also the children of the partner's first marriage. Any son of the first marriage being a step son to the second wife/husband. On the other hand a son in law is simply the husband of a daughter. Or has that changed? Regards Ted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery" <polly@rowberry.org> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] Collins > Hi Anne > > "Son-in-law" in this case means what we would now call a "step-son" (ie > the > relationship is through marriage). > > So to find Mary's maiden name you need to locate her marriage to John > COLLINS between 1841 and 1851 and order the certificate. This should give > you her father's name, and hence her maiden name. > Polly > Polly Rubery > List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com > A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, > Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. > ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com > ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 > rowberry@one-name.org > http://www.rowberry.org > Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ianandanne@optusnet.com.au> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:02 AM > Subject: [B.C.] Collins > > > > Hi All, > > I know there are a few COLLINS family researchers out there and I'm hoping > that one of you can help me with this family. > > Found on the 1851 census- > Birmingham Rd, West Bromwich > John COLLINS, head, married, 73, nailor, West Bromwich > Mary Ann COLLINS, wife, married, 53, West Bromwich > James MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 32, general labourer, West Bromwich > William MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 32, engineer, West Bromwich > David MARTIN, son-in-law, single, 19, nail castor, West Bromwich > John James COLLINS, grandson, single, 4, at home, West Bromwich. > > I think that the David MARTIN listed is my 3G Grandfather, but I am trying > to work out the relationship to the COLLINS family. On the 1841 census > David > is listed with a Mary, James & William MARTIN, of course with no > relationships listed I'm just guessing that they may have all been > siblings > with the possiblity that Mary may have been the mother. > > So does anyone own this family and if you do, do you know the maiden name > of the wife? > > Thanks > Anne Sweetman > Brisbane, Australia > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/321 - Release Date: 21/04/2006 > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .