Hello Vera, -----Original Message-----Found the following 1851 Census in Cradley: HO107/2034 ... ED...: 1e Folio: 109 Page: 32 John Worton, 1797, Cradley, Head; Hannah Worton, 1797, Cradley, Wife; John Worton, 1828, Cradley, Son; Sophia Worton, 1831, Cradley, Daughter; Charles Worton, 1837, Cradley, Son The IGI has the marriage of John Worton & Hannah Southall in Halesowen which is 1.4 miles from Cradley so is possble. Do you have John Worton's parents? Are they John Worton & Ann Bandnage married Dec 29, 1783 in Old Swinford?----- Yes, this is the family I have, with John and Hannah married 18 October 1818 in Halesowen, and I have Hannah's maiden name as Southall. They were at Ash Bank again in 1861, when John and Hannah, now aged 64 years, had living with them son Charles (24) and his family Sarah (25), William (5), Charles (3) and Phoebe (1). Also resident was Caroline Deeley (17). I have John's parents as John Worton and Ann Pain, but no record of a marriage found as yet. The John Worton & Ann Bandnage married Dec 29, 1783 in Old Swinford were, I believe, another Cradley Worton family and are more closely related to me. I have this John's parents as Benjamin Worton and Elizabeth Bott, and Benjamin as a son of William Worton and Mary Heathcop, married 22 January 1736, my 6 x great grandparents. This leads on nicely to your next question: -----Original Message-----Who are the parents of your Alice Worton? William Worton & Mary Heathcop? Was Alice christened Mar 23, 1750, Old Swinford? Yes, Alice was a daughter of this William and Mary, and sister to Benjamin. I have her christening date 23 March 1749, and I believe it was she who married Richard Bennett on 13 July 1767. But who knows anything for sure about the Wortons this far back?! This is all much debated by Cradley Worton researchers and a lot is common ground but there are still loose ends and uncertainties. I hope this helps rather than adds to the confusion. Nigel Brown ENG-WOR-CRADLEY-L@rootsweb.com