Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I know of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books etc issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two years a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. Ted

Yes, I know of similar cases. One in the U.S., one in Leicester. My mother was born in Oklahoma Territory, before statehood, and her birth was not recorded. She was able to get a "delayed" birth certificate after having witnesses make certified statements. In Leicester, my great grandfather, born 1843, applied for and received a replacement birth certificate, claiming his was lost. He was 20 at the time. He was born illegitimate, but suddenly obtained a father on his new birth certificate. (He claimed the stepfather who threw him out for not being his.) So the possibilities expand! Cheers, Lois -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD SOUTHWICK <[email protected]> To: Pete & Lin Lamberg <[email protected]>; BC LIST <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:44 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I know of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books etc issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two years a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. Ted ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lois, it wasn't law before 1874. --- On Thu, 29/10/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 2:41 PM Yes, I know of similar cases.  One in the U.S., one in Leicester.  My mother was born in Oklahoma Territory, before statehood, and her birth was not recorded.  She was able to get a "delayed" birth certificate after having witnesses make certified statements.  In Leicester, my great grandfather, born 1843, applied for and received a replacement birth certificate, claiming his was lost.  He was 20 at the time.  He was born illegitimate, but suddenly obtained a father on his new birth certificate. (He claimed the stepfather who threw him out for not being his.)  So the possibilities expand! Cheers,   Lois -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD SOUTHWICK <[email protected]> To: Pete & Lin Lamberg <[email protected]>; BC LIST <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:44 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I know of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books etc issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two years a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. Ted ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Uncle Edward was born in Ireland in 1872 , he never had a birth cert but he had a Catholic Baptism record , he also served in the British Army twice before WW1 and he went back in when WW1 started , he did have a pension and he died in 1954 at West Bromwich Have a copy of his Baptism and his birth date is a few days out to what's on his army records Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <[email protected]> To: "Pete & Lin Lamberg" <[email protected]>; "BC LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension > Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I > know > of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This > lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement > pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not > claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, > because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church > records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on > the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books > etc > issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father > had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two > years > a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. > Ted > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.36/2465 - Release Date: 10/28/09 09:34:00