I'm still here, as I have been for some years now. And I'm still stuck - as I have been for some years now! But I won't bore everyone with the problem yet again - it's unanswerable. I just have to figure out another way of trying to acquire some information. And I'm about to have a big splurge [spending my birthday money from last year] on certificates, before the price increase. I guess we'll all have a very long wait for them though. Dudley Register Office won't know what's hit it when my pile arrives. And like someone else - I have an enormous pile of papers to get into some sort of order...... but the sun's shining in north Devon. Carol