Paul Just as at Darkhouse Baptist here's a similar graveyard at Providence Chapel. I have generations of Flavells buried there but can't get into the graveyard. The church have the graveyard fenced off - for Health + Safety reasons! It's so frustrating that relatives can't get in to tend their family graves. Meanwhile the graves get more overgrown and decay while relatives who are willing to help care for the graveyard are kept out regards Trevor -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:54 PM To: <[email protected]>; "Black Country Messages" <[email protected]>; "Sedgley Roots web" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > Christiana > > > > Would you know if Darkhouse Baptist Chapel in Coseley still has its > cemerty itact. It was looking very delapidated the last time I saw it. I > once asked the vicar if he had plans of who was buried there as I was > trying to find my grand parents grave, but he said they had been stolen. > Grave yards like that should be tended to and tided up. Not flattened > and grassed over. If there is ever a project to clean up the place I > would be there in a flash to help out. All my dads relations lived in > that area. He was born in Darkhouse lane and worked at the Cannon. His > mohers family lived in Siddons Road. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Paul > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:45:05 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >> I have to say, much of my 'vast knowledge' comes via Ian, Carl, Satima, >> Tracy, etc etc, and Gloria herself, not to mention Trevor Genge and >> others locally. >> >> Personally, I'm trying to catch up in the garden after all the bad >> weather. Being 770 ft up, the snow stayed around longer than it did even >> a few hundred yards down Gospel End Road. Then there was mud - I went up >> to my ankles in it in one place while dog-walking. >> >> On Wednesday I was as far up the tower as I dare to go, then yesterday I >> took the Hamptons down into the crypt to see the front of their Tamlyns' >> vault. Good job I don't have any posh clothes. Church itself is very >> presentable, but once you get into the 'backstage' areas, it's still >> dust-covered limewash. The Wednesday exploit was with an architectural >> historian who's revising Pevsner Staffs, for the All Saints' entry. No >> conclusion was reachable on the date of the tower interior. I couldn't >> help him with the architect and date of Dormston House, previously >> Sedgley Villa. I don't suppose anyone has anything on that? >> >> I've been very kindly lent some photos re the Swindells. Someone in the >> lender's family was housekeeper for the family in the 1920s, and the pics >> seem to be of around that date. I don't think anyone on the list is a >> descendant or a rellie? I'm scanning the pics for our records, with a >> copy to go down to Dudley Archives. Can send details if anyone thinks >> they might be interested. (Two of the church interior are stamped 1903 on >> the back.) >> >> Christine B >> >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> Message Received: Mar 05 2010, 11:36 AM >> From: "Gloria Hargreave" >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: >> Subject: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >> >> Paul, I watch patiently for queries to the List and relish the following >> flow of replies...it is such a great list and everyone is so helpful. >> We are educated by Christine B ,with her vast knowledge of the area, and >> people such as Carl Higgs, Satima, Tracy and so on....I have had so much >> help and so many mysteries thought about, stewed over and suggestions >> made...to help unravel my SMITHS and their peccadillos, by many of the >> Listers. This help is all invaluable . >> For the moment, the List is quiet, even I haven' t sent a query....still >> trying to get into research mode after the Christmas season...but no >> doubt, the emails will again flow soon...and we will all breathe a >> collective sigh at the prospect of learning more, being able to help >> someone, or even just enjoy the pleasure of reading all the emails. and >> the interesting replies. >> Bouquets to you all. >> Gloria >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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I was just about to reply to Paul's post and say the same about Providence Baptist graveyard, but Trevor has beaten me to it. I've got several relatives buried there. I know of one not-so-distant rellie still living in Sedgley who was so angered when he saw what was happening that he removed his grandparents' 1940s headstone from the graveyard and re-sited it in his front garden, and I don't blame him. It's a disgrace that living relatives whose families paid for memorials can't visit their dearly departed or tidy the graves themselves, and the site is now an overgrown eyesore. Surely this is doing more damage to headstones and the like than leaving it open access. Dudley Archives do at least hold the burial records to this chapel. Many worshippers from Roseville Methodist Church also chose to be buried here. Regards Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Flavell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > Paul > > Just as at Darkhouse Baptist here's a similar graveyard at Providence > Chapel. > > I have generations of Flavells buried there but can't get into the > graveyard. The church have the graveyard fenced off - for Health + Safety > reasons! > > It's so frustrating that relatives can't get in to tend their family > graves. > Meanwhile the graves get more overgrown and decay while relatives who are > willing to help care for the graveyard are kept out > > regards > > Trevor > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:54 PM > To: <[email protected]>; "Black Country Messages" > <[email protected]>; "Sedgley Roots web" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > >> >> Christiana >> >> >> >> Would you know if Darkhouse Baptist Chapel in Coseley still has its >> cemerty itact. It was looking very delapidated the last time I saw it. >> I >> once asked the vicar if he had plans of who was buried there as I was >> trying to find my grand parents grave, but he said they had been stolen. >> Grave yards like that should be tended to and tided up. Not flattened >> and grassed over. If there is ever a project to clean up the place I >> would be there in a flash to help out. All my dads relations lived in >> that area. He was born in Darkhouse lane and worked at the Cannon. His >> mohers family lived in Siddons Road. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> Paul >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:45:05 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >>> >>> I have to say, much of my 'vast knowledge' comes via Ian, Carl, Satima, >>> Tracy, etc etc, and Gloria herself, not to mention Trevor Genge and >>> others locally. >>> >>> Personally, I'm trying to catch up in the garden after all the bad >>> weather. Being 770 ft up, the snow stayed around longer than it did even >>> a few hundred yards down Gospel End Road. Then there was mud - I went up >>> to my ankles in it in one place while dog-walking. >>> >>> On Wednesday I was as far up the tower as I dare to go, then yesterday I >>> took the Hamptons down into the crypt to see the front of their Tamlyns' >>> vault. Good job I don't have any posh clothes. Church itself is very >>> presentable, but once you get into the 'backstage' areas, it's still >>> dust-covered limewash. The Wednesday exploit was with an architectural >>> historian who's revising Pevsner Staffs, for the All Saints' entry. No >>> conclusion was reachable on the date of the tower interior. I couldn't >>> help him with the architect and date of Dormston House, previously >>> Sedgley Villa. I don't suppose anyone has anything on that? >>> >>> I've been very kindly lent some photos re the Swindells. Someone in the >>> lender's family was housekeeper for the family in the 1920s, and the >>> pics >>> seem to be of around that date. I don't think anyone on the list is a >>> descendant or a rellie? I'm scanning the pics for our records, with a >>> copy to go down to Dudley Archives. Can send details if anyone thinks >>> they might be interested. (Two of the church interior are stamped 1903 >>> on >>> the back.) >>> >>> Christine B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> Message Received: Mar 05 2010, 11:36 AM >>> From: "Gloria Hargreave" >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: >>> Subject: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >>> >>> >>> Paul, I watch patiently for queries to the List and relish the following >>> flow of replies...it is such a great list and everyone is so helpful. >>> We are educated by Christine B ,with her vast knowledge of the area, and >>> people such as Carl Higgs, Satima, Tracy and so on....I have had so much >>> help and so many mysteries thought about, stewed over and suggestions >>> made...to help unravel my SMITHS and their peccadillos, by many of the >>> Listers. This help is all invaluable . >>> For the moment, the List is quiet, even I haven' t sent a query....still >>> trying to get into research mode after the Christmas season...but no >>> doubt, the emails will again flow soon...and we will all breathe a >>> collective sigh at the prospect of learning more, being able to help >>> someone, or even just enjoy the pleasure of reading all the emails. and >>> the interesting replies. >>> Bouquets to you all. >>> Gloria >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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Carl are there records for Darkhouse Baptist Chapel. Paul > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:54:08 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > I was just about to reply to Paul's post and say the same about Providence > Baptist graveyard, but Trevor has beaten me to it. I've got several > relatives buried there. I know of one not-so-distant rellie still living in > Sedgley who was so angered when he saw what was happening that he removed > his grandparents' 1940s headstone from the graveyard and re-sited it in his > front garden, and I don't blame him. It's a disgrace that living relatives > whose families paid for memorials can't visit their dearly departed or tidy > the graves themselves, and the site is now an overgrown eyesore. Surely > this is doing more damage to headstones and the like than leaving it open > access. > > Dudley Archives do at least hold the burial records to this chapel. Many > worshippers from Roseville Methodist Church also chose to be buried here. > > Regards > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Flavell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > > > > > Paul > > > > Just as at Darkhouse Baptist here's a similar graveyard at Providence > > Chapel. > > > > I have generations of Flavells buried there but can't get into the > > graveyard. The church have the graveyard fenced off - for Health + Safety > > reasons! > > > > It's so frustrating that relatives can't get in to tend their family > > graves. > > Meanwhile the graves get more overgrown and decay while relatives who are > > willing to help care for the graveyard are kept out > > > > regards > > > > Trevor > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:54 PM > > To: <[email protected]>; "Black Country Messages" > > <[email protected]>; "Sedgley Roots web" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > > >> > >> Christiana > >> > >> > >> > >> Would you know if Darkhouse Baptist Chapel in Coseley still has its > >> cemerty itact. It was looking very delapidated the last time I saw it. > >> I > >> once asked the vicar if he had plans of who was buried there as I was > >> trying to find my grand parents grave, but he said they had been stolen. > >> Grave yards like that should be tended to and tided up. Not flattened > >> and grassed over. If there is ever a project to clean up the place I > >> would be there in a flash to help out. All my dads relations lived in > >> that area. He was born in Darkhouse lane and worked at the Cannon. His > >> mohers family lived in Siddons Road. > >> > >> > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> > >> > >> Paul > >> > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:45:05 +0100 > >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > >>> > >>> I have to say, much of my 'vast knowledge' comes via Ian, Carl, Satima, > >>> Tracy, etc etc, and Gloria herself, not to mention Trevor Genge and > >>> others locally. > >>> > >>> Personally, I'm trying to catch up in the garden after all the bad > >>> weather. Being 770 ft up, the snow stayed around longer than it did even > >>> a few hundred yards down Gospel End Road. Then there was mud - I went up > >>> to my ankles in it in one place while dog-walking. > >>> > >>> On Wednesday I was as far up the tower as I dare to go, then yesterday I > >>> took the Hamptons down into the crypt to see the front of their Tamlyns' > >>> vault. Good job I don't have any posh clothes. Church itself is very > >>> presentable, but once you get into the 'backstage' areas, it's still > >>> dust-covered limewash. The Wednesday exploit was with an architectural > >>> historian who's revising Pevsner Staffs, for the All Saints' entry. No > >>> conclusion was reachable on the date of the tower interior. I couldn't > >>> help him with the architect and date of Dormston House, previously > >>> Sedgley Villa. I don't suppose anyone has anything on that? > >>> > >>> I've been very kindly lent some photos re the Swindells. Someone in the > >>> lender's family was housekeeper for the family in the 1920s, and the > >>> pics > >>> seem to be of around that date. I don't think anyone on the list is a > >>> descendant or a rellie? I'm scanning the pics for our records, with a > >>> copy to go down to Dudley Archives. Can send details if anyone thinks > >>> they might be interested. (Two of the church interior are stamped 1903 > >>> on > >>> the back.) > >>> > >>> Christine B > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ======================================== > >>> Message Received: Mar 05 2010, 11:36 AM > >>> From: "Gloria Hargreave" > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Cc: > >>> Subject: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > >>> > >>> > >>> Paul, I watch patiently for queries to the List and relish the following > >>> flow of replies...it is such a great list and everyone is so helpful. > >>> We are educated by Christine B ,with her vast knowledge of the area, and > >>> people such as Carl Higgs, Satima, Tracy and so on....I have had so much > >>> help and so many mysteries thought about, stewed over and suggestions > >>> made...to help unravel my SMITHS and their peccadillos, by many of the > >>> Listers. This help is all invaluable . > >>> For the moment, the List is quiet, even I haven' t sent a query....still > >>> trying to get into research mode after the Christmas season...but no > >>> doubt, the emails will again flow soon...and we will all breathe a > >>> collective sigh at the prospect of learning more, being able to help > >>> someone, or even just enjoy the pleasure of reading all the emails. and > >>> the interesting replies. > >>> Bouquets to you all. > >>> Gloria > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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Hi Paul, I've not had to look at registers for Darkhouse Chapel personally so don't know 'what' or 'where' without asking the Dudley Archives. Dudley do hold a transcript of burials for this chapel 1823-1830 according to the Black Country History online catalogue. Cheers Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> To: "Black Country Messages" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > > Carl are there records for Darkhouse Baptist Chapel. > > > > Paul > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:54:08 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >> I was just about to reply to Paul's post and say the same about >> Providence >> Baptist graveyard, but Trevor has beaten me to it. I've got several >> relatives buried there. I know of one not-so-distant rellie still living >> in >> Sedgley who was so angered when he saw what was happening that he removed >> his grandparents' 1940s headstone from the graveyard and re-sited it in >> his >> front garden, and I don't blame him. It's a disgrace that living >> relatives >> whose families paid for memorials can't visit their dearly departed or >> tidy >> the graves themselves, and the site is now an overgrown eyesore. Surely >> this is doing more damage to headstones and the like than leaving it open >> access. >> >> Dudley Archives do at least hold the burial records to this chapel. Many >> worshippers from Roseville Methodist Church also chose to be buried here. >> >> Regards >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Trevor Flavell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >> >> > >> > Paul >> > >> > Just as at Darkhouse Baptist here's a similar graveyard at Providence >> > Chapel. >> > >> > I have generations of Flavells buried there but can't get into the >> > graveyard. The church have the graveyard fenced off - for Health + >> > Safety >> > reasons! >> > >> > It's so frustrating that relatives can't get in to tend their family >> > graves. >> > Meanwhile the graves get more overgrown and decay while relatives who >> > are >> > willing to help care for the graveyard are kept out >> > >> > regards >> > >> > Trevor >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:54 PM >> > To: <[email protected]>; "Black Country Messages" >> > <[email protected]>; "Sedgley Roots web" >> > <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> > >> >> >> >> Christiana >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would you know if Darkhouse Baptist Chapel in Coseley still has its >> >> cemerty itact. It was looking very delapidated the last time I saw it. >> >> I >> >> once asked the vicar if he had plans of who was buried there as I was >> >> trying to find my grand parents grave, but he said they had been >> >> stolen. >> >> Grave yards like that should be tended to and tided up. Not flattened >> >> and grassed over. If there is ever a project to clean up the place I >> >> would be there in a flash to help out. All my dads relations lived in >> >> that area. He was born in Darkhouse lane and worked at the Cannon. His >> >> mohers family lived in Siddons Road. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >>> From: [email protected] >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:45:05 +0100 >> >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >>> >> >>> I have to say, much of my 'vast knowledge' comes via Ian, Carl, >> >>> Satima, >> >>> Tracy, etc etc, and Gloria herself, not to mention Trevor Genge and >> >>> others locally. >> >>> >> >>> Personally, I'm trying to catch up in the garden after all the bad >> >>> weather. Being 770 ft up, the snow stayed around longer than it did >> >>> even >> >>> a few hundred yards down Gospel End Road. Then there was mud - I went >> >>> up >> >>> to my ankles in it in one place while dog-walking. >> >>> >> >>> On Wednesday I was as far up the tower as I dare to go, then >> >>> yesterday I >> >>> took the Hamptons down into the crypt to see the front of their >> >>> Tamlyns' >> >>> vault. Good job I don't have any posh clothes. Church itself is very >> >>> presentable, but once you get into the 'backstage' areas, it's still >> >>> dust-covered limewash. The Wednesday exploit was with an >> >>> architectural >> >>> historian who's revising Pevsner Staffs, for the All Saints' entry. >> >>> No >> >>> conclusion was reachable on the date of the tower interior. I >> >>> couldn't >> >>> help him with the architect and date of Dormston House, previously >> >>> Sedgley Villa. I don't suppose anyone has anything on that? >> >>> >> >>> I've been very kindly lent some photos re the Swindells. Someone in >> >>> the >> >>> lender's family was housekeeper for the family in the 1920s, and the >> >>> pics >> >>> seem to be of around that date. I don't think anyone on the list is a >> >>> descendant or a rellie? I'm scanning the pics for our records, with a >> >>> copy to go down to Dudley Archives. Can send details if anyone thinks >> >>> they might be interested. (Two of the church interior are stamped >> >>> 1903 >> >>> on >> >>> the back.) >> >>> >> >>> Christine B >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ======================================== >> >>> Message Received: Mar 05 2010, 11:36 AM >> >>> From: "Gloria Hargreave" >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Cc: >> >>> Subject: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Paul, I watch patiently for queries to the List and relish the >> >>> following >> >>> flow of replies...it is such a great list and everyone is so helpful. >> >>> We are educated by Christine B ,with her vast knowledge of the area, >> >>> and >> >>> people such as Carl Higgs, Satima, Tracy and so on....I have had so >> >>> much >> >>> help and so many mysteries thought about, stewed over and suggestions >> >>> made...to help unravel my SMITHS and their peccadillos, by many of >> >>> the >> >>> Listers. This help is all invaluable . >> >>> For the moment, the List is quiet, even I haven' t sent a >> >>> query....still >> >>> trying to get into research mode after the Christmas season...but no >> >>> doubt, the emails will again flow soon...and we will all breathe a >> >>> collective sigh at the prospect of learning more, being able to help >> >>> someone, or even just enjoy the pleasure of reading all the emails. >> >>> and >> >>> the interesting replies. >> >>> Bouquets to you all. >> >>> Gloria >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>> without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>> without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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Hi Providence Baptist Churchyard was not to bad to what some of the churchyards are and they closed it for Health and Safty resons ,and the insurance company refused to insurance it , dont ask me why, this PC lot should mind there own bussiness and complain about some of the pot holes we have and those road humps that damaged my car , ( ok I have got a 4x4 but it is surposed to go off road ) these are more dangerous My family helped start that church in 1807? and its got an interesting histroy , The church was built has a breakaway movement from Dark Lane They built a new church right by the side of the old church that was not knocked down till about 25 years ago and they sold the land and took the top storey off the new church built about 1877 I think and made it a single storey , they are very strict Baptist and the ladies are still expected to wear hats on a Sunday (so they should its a church ) Coseley Archives has got some Baptisims but also some wedding plus minutes of some meeting The Christening are on the IGI Cheers Cassy List Owner Griffiths , List Admin BC Wolverhampton , Potteries ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Higgs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >I was just about to reply to Paul's post and say the same about Providence > Baptist graveyard, but Trevor has beaten me to it. I've got several > relatives buried there. I know of one not-so-distant rellie still living > in > Sedgley who was so angered when he saw what was happening that he removed > his grandparents' 1940s headstone from the graveyard and re-sited it in > his > front garden, and I don't blame him. It's a disgrace that living > relatives > whose families paid for memorials can't visit their dearly departed or > tidy > the graves themselves, and the site is now an overgrown eyesore. Surely > this is doing more damage to headstones and the like than leaving it open > access. > > Dudley Archives do at least hold the burial records to this chapel. Many > worshippers from Roseville Methodist Church also chose to be buried here. > > Regards > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Flavell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > >> >> Paul >> >> Just as at Darkhouse Baptist here's a similar graveyard at Providence >> Chapel. >> >> I have generations of Flavells buried there but can't get into the >> graveyard. The church have the graveyard fenced off - for Health + Safety >> reasons! >> >> It's so frustrating that relatives can't get in to tend their family >> graves. >> Meanwhile the graves get more overgrown and decay while relatives who are >> willing to help care for the graveyard are kept out >> >> regards >> >> Trevor >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:54 PM >> To: <[email protected]>; "Black Country Messages" >> <[email protected]>; "Sedgley Roots web" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >>> >>> Christiana >>> >>> >>> >>> Would you know if Darkhouse Baptist Chapel in Coseley still has its >>> cemerty itact. It was looking very delapidated the last time I saw it. >>> I >>> once asked the vicar if he had plans of who was buried there as I was >>> trying to find my grand parents grave, but he said they had been stolen. >>> Grave yards like that should be tended to and tided up. Not flattened >>> and grassed over. If there is ever a project to clean up the place I >>> would be there in a flash to help out. All my dads relations lived in >>> that area. He was born in Darkhouse lane and worked at the Cannon. His >>> mohers family lived in Siddons Road. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:45:05 +0100 >>>> Subject: Re: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >>>> >>>> I have to say, much of my 'vast knowledge' comes via Ian, Carl, Satima, >>>> Tracy, etc etc, and Gloria herself, not to mention Trevor Genge and >>>> others locally. >>>> >>>> Personally, I'm trying to catch up in the garden after all the bad >>>> weather. Being 770 ft up, the snow stayed around longer than it did >>>> even >>>> a few hundred yards down Gospel End Road. Then there was mud - I went >>>> up >>>> to my ankles in it in one place while dog-walking. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday I was as far up the tower as I dare to go, then yesterday >>>> I >>>> took the Hamptons down into the crypt to see the front of their >>>> Tamlyns' >>>> vault. Good job I don't have any posh clothes. Church itself is very >>>> presentable, but once you get into the 'backstage' areas, it's still >>>> dust-covered limewash. The Wednesday exploit was with an architectural >>>> historian who's revising Pevsner Staffs, for the All Saints' entry. No >>>> conclusion was reachable on the date of the tower interior. I couldn't >>>> help him with the architect and date of Dormston House, previously >>>> Sedgley Villa. I don't suppose anyone has anything on that? >>>> >>>> I've been very kindly lent some photos re the Swindells. Someone in the >>>> lender's family was housekeeper for the family in the 1920s, and the >>>> pics >>>> seem to be of around that date. I don't think anyone on the list is a >>>> descendant or a rellie? I'm scanning the pics for our records, with a >>>> copy to go down to Dudley Archives. Can send details if anyone thinks >>>> they might be interested. (Two of the church interior are stamped 1903 >>>> on >>>> the back.) >>>> >>>> Christine B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======================================== >>>> Message Received: Mar 05 2010, 11:36 AM >>>> From: "Gloria Hargreave" >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: >>>> Subject: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul, I watch patiently for queries to the List and relish the >>>> following >>>> flow of replies...it is such a great list and everyone is so helpful. >>>> We are educated by Christine B ,with her vast knowledge of the area, >>>> and >>>> people such as Carl Higgs, Satima, Tracy and so on....I have had so >>>> much >>>> help and so many mysteries thought about, stewed over and suggestions >>>> made...to help unravel my SMITHS and their peccadillos, by many of the >>>> Listers. This help is all invaluable . >>>> For the moment, the List is quiet, even I haven' t sent a >>>> query....still >>>> trying to get into research mode after the Christmas season...but no >>>> doubt, the emails will again flow soon...and we will all breathe a >>>> collective sigh at the prospect of learning more, being able to help >>>> someone, or even just enjoy the pleasure of reading all the emails. and >>>> the interesting replies. >>>> Bouquets to you all. >>>> Gloria >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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Hi. Having been involved in dealing with this issue before I retired, I think that I should explain the situation here. I can tell you that it isn't a matter of political correctness, it is indeed a health and safety issue, which is intended to protect people in general. Tombstones are very heavy, extremely so in the case of large ones, and there have been cases of serious injury and even fatalities as a result of some of them falling over. People, like us, who go around such places closely inspecting them are especially at risk. Churches and local councils have a public duty to ensure that such places are safe and that the risk of any mishaps involving members of the public it at least least minimised, or, better still, completely eliminated. Failure to do so could result in prosecution, especially in the case of a fatality, and / or potentially large and expensive injury compensation claims - never mind extremely bad publicity. Insurance companies have every right to refuse insurance cover if the appropriate work isn't undertaken. Such work can be horrendously expensive and, if the church or council is unable to undertake it they have but little option to close the churchyard or cemetery in question. There is also another reason why, perhaps, such work cannot be undertaken: Technically, tombstones are not the property of the church or council - they and their safe condition remain, in perpetuity, the property and responsibility of the people / family who erected them in the churchyard or cemetery and their heirs and descendants. This means that, legally speaking the church or council has no legal right at all to undertake any work to them. Tracing, perhaps hundreds of years on, the people who should be undertaking the work might well prove to be impossible! I hope that this explains why you may, perhaps, be prevented from reaching a family grave. Ken. In rural West Sussex, U.K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > Hi > Providence Baptist Churchyard was not to bad > to what some of the churchyards are and they closed it > for Health and Safty resons ,and the insurance company > refused to insurance it , dont ask me why, this PC > lot should mind there own bussiness and complain about > some of the pot holes we have and those road humps > that damaged my car , ( ok I have got a 4x4 but it is surposed > to go off road ) these are more dangerous > My family helped start that church in 1807? and its got an > interesting histroy , > The church was built has a breakaway movement from Dark Lane > They built a new church right by the side of the old church that was > not > knocked down till about 25 years ago and they sold the land and took > the top storey off the new church built about 1877 I think and made it > a > single > storey , they are very strict Baptist and the ladies are still expected > to > wear hats > on a Sunday (so they should its a church ) > Coseley Archives has got some Baptisims but also some wedding plus > minutes of some meeting > The Christening are on the IGI > Cheers > > Cassy > List Owner Griffiths , > List Admin BC > Wolverhampton , Potteries > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Higgs" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List > > >>I was just about to reply to Paul's post and say the same about Providence >> Baptist graveyard, but Trevor has beaten me to it. I've got several >> relatives buried there. I know of one not-so-distant rellie still living >> in >> Sedgley who was so angered when he saw what was happening that he removed >> his grandparents' 1940s headstone from the graveyard and re-sited it in >> his >> front garden, and I don't blame him. It's a disgrace that living >> relatives >> whose families paid for memorials can't visit their dearly departed or >> tidy >> the graves themselves, and the site is now an overgrown eyesore. Surely >> this is doing more damage to headstones and the like than leaving it open >> access. >> >> Dudley Archives do at least hold the burial records to this chapel. Many >> worshippers from Roseville Methodist Church also chose to be buried here. >> >> Regards >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Trevor Flavell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >> >> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> Just as at Darkhouse Baptist here's a similar graveyard at Providence >>> Chapel. >>> >>> I have generations of Flavells buried there but can't get into the >>> graveyard. The church have the graveyard fenced off - for Health + >>> Safety >>> reasons! >>> >>> It's so frustrating that relatives can't get in to tend their family >>> graves. >>> Meanwhile the graves get more overgrown and decay while relatives who >>> are >>> willing to help care for the graveyard are kept out >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Trevor >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:54 PM >>> To: <[email protected]>; "Black Country Messages" >>> <[email protected]>; "Sedgley Roots web" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >>> >>>> >>>> Christiana >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Would you know if Darkhouse Baptist Chapel in Coseley still has its >>>> cemerty itact. It was looking very delapidated the last time I saw it. >>>> I >>>> once asked the vicar if he had plans of who was buried there as I was >>>> trying to find my grand parents grave, but he said they had been >>>> stolen. >>>> Grave yards like that should be tended to and tided up. Not flattened >>>> and grassed over. If there is ever a project to clean up the place I >>>> would be there in a flash to help out. All my dads relations lived in >>>> that area. He was born in Darkhouse lane and worked at the Cannon. >>>> His >>>> mohers family lived in Siddons Road. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:45:05 +0100 >>>>> Subject: Re: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >>>>> >>>>> I have to say, much of my 'vast knowledge' comes via Ian, Carl, >>>>> Satima, >>>>> Tracy, etc etc, and Gloria herself, not to mention Trevor Genge and >>>>> others locally. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I'm trying to catch up in the garden after all the bad >>>>> weather. Being 770 ft up, the snow stayed around longer than it did >>>>> even >>>>> a few hundred yards down Gospel End Road. Then there was mud - I went >>>>> up >>>>> to my ankles in it in one place while dog-walking. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday I was as far up the tower as I dare to go, then yesterday >>>>> I >>>>> took the Hamptons down into the crypt to see the front of their >>>>> Tamlyns' >>>>> vault. Good job I don't have any posh clothes. Church itself is very >>>>> presentable, but once you get into the 'backstage' areas, it's still >>>>> dust-covered limewash. The Wednesday exploit was with an architectural >>>>> historian who's revising Pevsner Staffs, for the All Saints' entry. No >>>>> conclusion was reachable on the date of the tower interior. I couldn't >>>>> help him with the architect and date of Dormston House, previously >>>>> Sedgley Villa. I don't suppose anyone has anything on that? >>>>> >>>>> I've been very kindly lent some photos re the Swindells. Someone in >>>>> the >>>>> lender's family was housekeeper for the family in the 1920s, and the >>>>> pics >>>>> seem to be of around that date. I don't think anyone on the list is a >>>>> descendant or a rellie? I'm scanning the pics for our records, with a >>>>> copy to go down to Dudley Archives. Can send details if anyone thinks >>>>> they might be interested. (Two of the church interior are stamped 1903 >>>>> on >>>>> the back.) >>>>> >>>>> Christine B >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ======================================== >>>>> Message Received: Mar 05 2010, 11:36 AM >>>>> From: "Gloria Hargreave" >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Cc: >>>>> Subject: [ENG-STS-SEDGLEY] Emails to List >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul, I watch patiently for queries to the List and relish the >>>>> following >>>>> flow of replies...it is such a great list and everyone is so helpful. >>>>> We are educated by Christine B ,with her vast knowledge of the area, >>>>> and >>>>> people such as Carl Higgs, Satima, Tracy and so on....I have had so >>>>> much >>>>> help and so many mysteries thought about, stewed over and suggestions >>>>> made...to help unravel my SMITHS and their peccadillos, by many of the >>>>> Listers. This help is all invaluable . >>>>> For the moment, the List is quiet, even I haven' t sent a >>>>> query....still >>>>> trying to get into research mode after the Christmas season...but no >>>>> doubt, the emails will again flow soon...and we will all breathe a >>>>> collective sigh at the prospect of learning more, being able to help >>>>> someone, or even just enjoy the pleasure of reading all the emails. >>>>> and >>>>> the interesting replies. >>>>> Bouquets to you all. >>>>> Gloria >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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