Reply Miners and Emigration. My family came over in two waves and finally brought spouses in 1870. They went to Schulkyl, PA They were Fereday and Griffiths. Whitehouses seem to stay in MD. Wanda Lee On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:34 AM, <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Miners and Emigration (Gord Pace) > 2. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (JANE DYER) > 3. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Paul Prescott) > 4. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Peter Willetts) > 5. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Peter Wharton) > 6. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Pete & Lin Lamberg) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:41:08 -0400 > From: Gord Pace <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Miners and Emigration > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Cc: "Kelly, Sheryl" <SKelly@co.butler.pa.us> > Message-ID: <60024CCB-6074-4840-94D9-CC7F8743E420@nexicom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On 2011-05-20, at 8:53 AM, Kelly, Sheryl wrote: > > > Does anyone have information, or perhaps could direct me to information > > concerning the emigration of British coal miners to the United States? > > My ancestor, John Eaton seems to have left his wife and children behind > > in about 1862 (Coseley area) to mine in the United States. I have read > > that when the American Civil War began in 1861, foreign miners were > > heavily recruited to fill the abandoned positions in the U.S. mines. > > John's wife and children seem to have followed him to US in late 1863. I > > am specifically interested in advertisements that may have been posted > > for miners, what compelled them to go (better life, money?) and the > > events occurring in the Black Country at that time (strikes, disease, > > etc.?). > > > > Thank you, > > Sheryl Kelly > > Yes, The area of Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania, Lucerne County, probably had > enough Staffordshire coal miners emigrate there. Several years ago I was on > my way from Ontario to Williamsburg, VA for that year's annual PACE Family > reunion. The car needed gas at Wilkes-Barre, PA. just past Scranton about > three in the morning.Leaving the gas station, heading back to the I-81 I > mentioned to my neighbour, who came with me, that this area of PA. was a > coal mining area and I mentioned, wondering if any of the Staffordshire coal > mining people had come there, co-workers of my Pace family of the Black > Country area of the UK. Presently, the car reached the corner, after the gas > station, where a street light illuminated the street sign which I glanced > at, then looked again, guess what - it said STAFFORD Street. I said to my > neighbour, sitting beside me in the car, "I guess that street sign answers > my question". > > Much the same I observed when visiting Sidney, Nova Scotia, a coal mining > area of Cape Breton, Island. Driving around downtown Sidney, two of the > main streets were STAFFORD St. another was PITT Street. I was quite amazed. > My PACE family was connected a few times with PITT family members and > CORBETTs in the Shareshill parish, which is between Wolverhampton and > Cannock, in the Black Country. I looked in the local Sidney, NS telephone > book, there were many CORBETT names in there some PITTs and PACEs > > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/pitt.htm - have a look at PITT PACE > CORBETT in the Shareshill records. > Church of St.Mary & St.Luke > > My grandfather was a coal miner and died at Lethbridge, Alberta in 1926. I > have been back there a few times to visit his grave. Driving around > Lethbridge, one can notice STAFFORD Street and other names with Stafford in > them. > > I had bought a book about the Frank Slide, about 1908 at Frank, Alberta, a > mountain gave way and buried a good part of the town. The book said many > Staffordshire coal miners were killed. Where coal mining is concerned, there > is always danger. Much can be learned from the Frank Slide Museum near the > site. > > After seeing for myself, three coal mining areas, over here, with > STAFFORDSHIRE evidence, there's little doubt that coal miners from > Staffordshire migrated to where there was mining going on. No doubt, there > are coal mining areas that I don't even know about, where miners from the > Black Country have migrated to. > > In Pennsylvania again, there was the Johnstown Flood disaster > http://www.johnstownpa.com/History/hist19.html > A ROAR LIKE THUNDER - On June 1 1889 Americans woke to the news that > Johnstown, Pennsylvania had been devastated by the worst flood in the > Nation's history. Over 2,200 were dead, with many more homeless. Two PACE > brothers, miners from Gloucestershire were involved in that disaster. > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/uk/gls.htm - They went on to mining > interests in Colorado after the flood > > On this list is/was a lady from the Black Country, living in PA. who > organized the Black Country Reunion at State College, PA. She may still be > on this list. She had a web site about the reunion. No doubt, there are many > descendents in Pennsylvania today of miners from the Black Country. > GTPace, Ontario > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:45:52 +0100 (BST) > From: JANE DYER <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <217458.16539.qm@web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > the accent sounded to me like a Geordie trying to speak brummie. Even my > Black Country rels don't sound like that. Fascinating > ? > Jane Honey > > --- On Mon, 20/6/11, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > > > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 20 June, 2011, 21:38 > > > > > On Monday 20/06/2011 at 3:50 pm, Linda Mason? wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > > > > Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for > > those of > > you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > > spoken > > and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have > > a > > listen :-) > > > > Linda > Thankyou very much, thoroughly enjoyed it and the one about Bloomer, > the football great. Makes me remember Derek Pace my 2nd cousin > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm > Gord Pace, Ontario,Can. > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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Even Timothy Spall managed to do better > in "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". > > Paul > > > > > On 21 June 2011 12:45, JANE DYER <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> wrote: > > the accent sounded to me like a Geordie trying to speak brummie. Even my > Black Country rels don't sound like that. Fascinating > > > > Jane Honey > > > > --- On Mon, 20/6/11, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > > > > > > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, 20 June, 2011, 21:38 > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 20/06/2011 at 3:50 pm, Linda Mason? wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > >> > >> Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for > >> those of > >> you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > >> spoken > >> and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have > >> a > >> listen :-) > >> > >> Linda > > Thankyou very much, thoroughly enjoyed it and the one about Bloomer, > > the football great. Makes me remember Derek Pace my 2nd cousin > > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm > > Gord Pace, Ontario,Can. > >> > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:57:16 +0100 > From: "Peter Willetts" <luminaires@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A3E4C6A10ECE40D79BF98FD3011CFED9@desktop1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A riveting bit of film (excuse the pun), but one which also reminds us of > the thousands of our ancestors who laboured long and hard in backyard > chainshops to produce the stuff. Whole families, including women and > children as young as eleven years old worked for a pittance in filthy and > dangerous conditions. One step up from the previous generation of nailers, > but in truth not a great improvement. We don't know we're born. > > Peter Willetts > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Mason" <lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:49 PM > Subject: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > > > > Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for those > > of > > you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > > spoken > > and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have a > > listen :-) > > > > Linda > > > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run > > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3715 - Release Date: 06/20/11 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:54:53 +0100 > From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006b01cc301a$cc597740$650c65c0$@wharton-family.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine > as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across > the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards > > Peter wharton > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Willetts > Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A > message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:34:25 +0100 (BST) > From: Pete & Lin Lamberg <palamberg@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <931108.39869.qm@web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > Wasn't Timothy Small supposed to be a Brummie? Different place to the > Black > Country. > Linda....... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Peter Wharton <peter@wharton-family.org> > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 14:54:53 > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine > as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across > the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards > > Peter wharton > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Willetts > Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A > message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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