Peter: Coroner's reports generally don't survive, and your best bet is a newspaper report. The Staffordshire Advertiser has a name index covering this period. It's not available on line, but can be inspected at Staffs Record Office and possibly elsewhere. Perhaps trying the Rootsweb Staffordshire list would find SKS able to look it up for you. Another possibility is Berrows Worcestershire Journal. Rowley Regis was in Staffs, of course, but it was in the diocese of Worcester (not Lichfield, like the rest of Staffs). Again this can be accessed at the record office in Worcester, and a posting on the Rootsweb Worcestershire list might find SKS able to help. Good luck - and let us know how you get on! Paul On 5 July 2011 17:07, Peter Knott <peter.knott@btinternet.com> wrote: > I have discovered an entry in the Rowley Regis burial transcripts which > reads 18 Feb 1817 Richard Siviter Tanners Hill, 73, Hanged himself, and wish > to determine more detail. Presumably there would have been an inquest - > would I be correct in assuming that RR falls/fell within the jurisdiction of > the Walsall Coroner? Does anyone know whether Coroners Reports survive for > this period and if so where they can be accessed please? Also what is the > best newspaper to search for a report of any inquest which was held and > where that search is best done. > Am also keen to find out exactly which Richard Sivitor took his own life. > Any help gratefully received > Peter Knott > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have discovered an entry in the Rowley Regis burial transcripts which reads 18 Feb 1817 Richard Siviter Tanners Hill, 73, Hanged himself, and wish to determine more detail. Presumably there would have been an inquest - would I be correct in assuming that RR falls/fell within the jurisdiction of the Walsall Coroner? Does anyone know whether Coroners Reports survive for this period and if so where they can be accessed please? Also what is the best newspaper to search for a report of any inquest which was held and where that search is best done. Am also keen to find out exactly which Richard Sivitor took his own life. Any help gratefully received Peter Knott

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Deaths: 500 for Cannock (old Penkridge Rural District), registers at Newcastle-Under-Lyme (1837-1842) Births: Replaced 5,500 for Audley, registers at Newcastle-Under-Lyme (1862-1863, 1872-1882) to add mother's maiden name 3,511 for Hanley, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1877-1912) 2,000 for Shelton, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1874-1891) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: Replaced 3,500 for Audley, books 14-20, registers at Newcastle-Under-Lyme (1863-1872) (Book 13 has still to be updated) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

Hi Wanda They were married at St James, West Bromwich in 1852 FEREDAY Silas/PREECE Louisa West Bromwich, St James Records held at Sandwell Register Office. Ref 31/1/66 -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Lee Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 2:09 PM To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 129 My 3rd great uncle Silas Fereday married Louisa Preece in the Black Country. SHe must have died though I have not found that record. I have their wedding info. Silas He later came to the US and married a widow Ann Griffiths. They lived in PA. Wanda Lee

My 3rd great uncle Silas Fereday married Louisa Preece in the Black Country. SHe must have died though I have not found that record. I have their wedding info. Silas He later came to the US and married a widow Ann Griffiths. They lived in PA. Wanda Lee On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:00 AM, <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. my brick wall PREECE (A durn) > 2. Re: my brick wall PREECE (Polly Rubery) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:46:38 +0100 (BST) > From: A durn <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [Black Country] my brick wall PREECE > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <696682.42291.qm@web28004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > struggling with my family, I > have Florence Martha PREECE > marrying Charles Frderick PIT in Birmingham 1899, I have established her > father > > as James PREECE > again marrying in Birmingham, his father is Charles PREECE (stamper) who > married > > Emma CORBETT in 1842 > St George Wolverhampton Stafford. both bride and grrom given as full age > His father given as James PREECE ( labourer) > according to the 1881 census > charles and Emily living in Birmingham, he a stamper and from Hereford she > is > from Wellington Shropshire, > he is given as 61 born 1820. > 1871 census he gives his birth as what looks like yarpole hereford > 1861 census he gives Birchell Common hereford > > This is where I come unstuck, I cannot find any baptism record an cannot > find > his family > > Any help gratefully received > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:20:38 +0100 > From: "Polly Rubery" <polly@rowberry.org> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] my brick wall PREECE > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F600EBA412ED4B4598668AD6C19C5599@polly4655622de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Where have you looked for his baptism record? If it is just the IGI or > Family Search be aware that the LDS was not originally allowed to film the > Parish Registers in Herefordshire, and what is on the IGI/Family Search is > just the BTs, with many, many gaps and not all of them were indexed > completely either. > > So I would suggest that you start by examining the actual parish regsters > for Yarpole and Bircher and see if you can find it that way. > > According to the HFHS pre-1837 marriage index there are many possible > marriages for a James PREEC before 1820 - none in either of those parishes, > but many in nearby parishes. > > Also have you tried finding Charles in previous census returns, before > 1861? > You might just be lucky enough to find him still with his parents in 1841. > > Finally when looking for people from Herefordshire it would be a good idea > to post your query to the two lists which cover that county, which are: > > ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com > MIDMARCH@rootsweb.com > > Finally there is a PREECE One-Name Study. For details check the Register > on > www.one-name.org > HTH > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:46 AM > Subject: [Black Country] my brick wall PREECE > > > struggling with my family, I > have Florence Martha PREECE > marrying Charles Frderick PIT in Birmingham 1899, I have established her > father > > as James PREECE > again marrying in Birmingham, his father is Charles PREECE (stamper) who > married > > Emma CORBETT in 1842 > St George Wolverhampton Stafford. both bride and grrom given as full age > His father given as James PREECE ( labourer) > according to the 1881 census > charles and Emily living in Birmingham, he a stamper and from Hereford she > is > from Wellington Shropshire, > he is given as 61 born 1820. > 1871 census he gives his birth as what looks like yarpole hereford > 1861 census he gives Birchell Common hereford > > This is where I come unstuck, I cannot find any baptism record an cannot > find > his family > > Any help gratefully received > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 129 > ************************************************* >

Where have you looked for his baptism record? If it is just the IGI or Family Search be aware that the LDS was not originally allowed to film the Parish Registers in Herefordshire, and what is on the IGI/Family Search is just the BTs, with many, many gaps and not all of them were indexed completely either. So I would suggest that you start by examining the actual parish regsters for Yarpole and Bircher and see if you can find it that way. According to the HFHS pre-1837 marriage index there are many possible marriages for a James PREEC before 1820 - none in either of those parishes, but many in nearby parishes. Also have you tried finding Charles in previous census returns, before 1861? You might just be lucky enough to find him still with his parents in 1841. Finally when looking for people from Herefordshire it would be a good idea to post your query to the two lists which cover that county, which are: ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com MIDMARCH@rootsweb.com Finally there is a PREECE One-Name Study. For details check the Register on www.one-name.org HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: [Black Country] my brick wall PREECE struggling with my family, I have Florence Martha PREECE marrying Charles Frderick PIT in Birmingham 1899, I have established her father as James PREECE again marrying in Birmingham, his father is Charles PREECE (stamper) who married Emma CORBETT in 1842 St George Wolverhampton Stafford. both bride and grrom given as full age His father given as James PREECE ( labourer) according to the 1881 census charles and Emily living in Birmingham, he a stamper and from Hereford she is from Wellington Shropshire, he is given as 61 born 1820. 1871 census he gives his birth as what looks like yarpole hereford 1861 census he gives Birchell Common hereford This is where I come unstuck, I cannot find any baptism record an cannot find his family Any help gratefully received ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

struggling with my family, I have Florence Martha PREECE marrying Charles Frderick PIT in Birmingham 1899, I have established her father as James PREECE again marrying in Birmingham, his father is Charles PREECE (stamper) who married Emma CORBETT in 1842 St George Wolverhampton Stafford. both bride and grrom given as full age His father given as James PREECE ( labourer) according to the 1881 census charles and Emily living in Birmingham, he a stamper and from Hereford she is from Wellington Shropshire, he is given as 61 born 1820. 1871 census he gives his birth as what looks like yarpole hereford 1861 census he gives Birchell Common hereford This is where I come unstuck, I cannot find any baptism record an cannot find his family Any help gratefully received

Hope you will accept this bit of info albeit "off piste" For all you listers who maybe do research at or are intending to go to LANCASHIRE Records Office ... received this the other day. The following information has been received from David Tilsley, Archivist at Lancashire Archives. Lancashire Archives will be closed to the public from 4 July until mid- October 2011. This is due to essential plant replacement and the installation of energy-efficient lighting throughout the Record Office building. There will be no direct public access to archives or local studies material during this period, but we will continue as far as possible to answer postal and emailed enquiries and to supply copies of documents. There may be some unavoidable delays in responding to enquiries as strongrooms and documents may be inaccessible for brief periods. More detailed information about the work being carried out can be found on our website, and there will be regular updates about our progress. As soon as we have a firm date for re-opening we will post the information on the website. You can get in touch with us by email at record.office@lancashire.gov.uk; by post at Lancashire Archives, Lancashire Record office, Bow Lane, Preston PR1 2RE; or through our website www.archives.lancashire.gov.uk We apologise for the inconvenience this will cause but look forward to welcoming visitors in the autumn. Regards Bill

Timothy Spall's character (Barry) was originally scripted as a Brummie, but his wife (who's from Hednesford) suggested a Black Country guy from Wolverhampton. He never quite got the difference in accent though did he? I remember reading an article years ago when he said that he just couldn't believe that anyone would say "Tara a bit" and was going to refuse to say it, until his wife put him right! Cheers Vanessa (Cardiff) -----Original Message----- From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Prescott Sent: 21 June 2011 21:19 To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley No, his character Barry was supposed to be from Wolverhampton. I know that some don't think that's BC but I do, and it certainly isn't Brum. And he did venture an occasional "yo ay"! Paul On 21 June 2011 15:34, Pete & Lin Lamberg <palamberg@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Wasn't Timothy Small supposed to be a Brummie?  Different place to the Black > Country. > Linda....... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Peter Wharton <peter@wharton-family.org> > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 14:54:53 > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards > > Peter wharton > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Willetts > Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A > message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by > Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to > your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3717 - Release Date: 06/21/11

But listen to how he says lives. It comes out as laives when it should be loives. Just one oddity among many. Paul On 21 June 2011 14:54, Peter Wharton <peter@wharton-family.org> wrote: > I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards > > Peter wharton > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Willetts > Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A > message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No, his character Barry was supposed to be from Wolverhampton. I know that some don't think that's BC but I do, and it certainly isn't Brum. And he did venture an occasional "yo ay"! Paul On 21 June 2011 15:34, Pete & Lin Lamberg <palamberg@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Wasn't Timothy Small supposed to be a Brummie?  Different place to the Black > Country. > Linda....... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Peter Wharton <peter@wharton-family.org> > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 14:54:53 > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards > > Peter wharton > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Willetts > Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A > message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by > Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to > your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear all, I can confirm that the narrator - who I know well - is not only a thoroughly Black Country mon, from Cradley, but he spakes like that all the time. A lot of Black Country people speak just like Barry does. Nigel Brown www.cradleylinks.co.uk (where you can find out a lot about Cradley, the Black Country, and the recently completed Cradley Heritage Project of which the chainstriker extract, and the Steve Bloomer one, and scores of other, are a part. Why not buy the tripleDVD set of films or just listen for free to the 51 stories, songs and poems that are on the web site?) -----Original Message----- It certainly isn't a Black Country accent - it's someone trying to mimic one and failing badly. Even Timothy Spall managed to do better in "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". Paul On 21 June 2011 12:45, JANE DYER <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> wrote: > the accent sounded to me like a Geordie trying to speak brummie. Even > my Black Country rels don't sound like that. Fascinating > > Jane Honey > > --- On Mon, 20/6/11, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > > > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 20 June, 2011, 21:38 > > > > > On Monday 20/06/2011 at 3:50 pm, Linda Mason  wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded >> >> Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for >> those of you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC >> dialect spoken and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have >> sounded like...have a listen :-) >> >> Linda > Thankyou very much, thoroughly enjoyed it and the one about Bloomer, > the football great. Makes me remember Derek Pace my 2nd cousin > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm > Gord Pace, Ontario,Can. >> > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having been born and bred in the Black Country I'm putting in my two 'pennorth. I agree with Peter Wharton's comments. There definitely is regional variations across the Black Country. Timothy Spall in "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" was supposed to have come from Wolverhampton, but his accent was definitely a Brummie and no, he didn't use dialect words. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley >I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine >as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across > the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards >

Wasn't Timothy Small supposed to be a Brummie? Different place to the Black Country. Linda....... ________________________________ From: Peter Wharton <peter@wharton-family.org> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 14:54:53 Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine as did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across the black country I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. Regards Peter wharton -----Original Message----- From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Willetts Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way he says 'ocean' for example. A message ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine as did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across the black country I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. Regards Peter wharton -----Original Message----- From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Willetts Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way he says 'ocean' for example. A message

Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way he says 'ocean' for example. A riveting bit of film (excuse the pun), but one which also reminds us of the thousands of our ancestors who laboured long and hard in backyard chainshops to produce the stuff. Whole families, including women and children as young as eleven years old worked for a pittance in filthy and dangerous conditions. One step up from the previous generation of nailers, but in truth not a great improvement. We don't know we're born. Peter Willetts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mason" <lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > > Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for those > of > you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > spoken > and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have a > listen :-) > > Linda > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3715 - Release Date: 06/20/11 >

It certainly isn't a Black Country accent - it's someone trying to mimic one and failing badly. Even Timothy Spall managed to do better in "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". Paul On 21 June 2011 12:45, JANE DYER <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> wrote: > the accent sounded to me like a Geordie trying to speak brummie. Even my Black Country rels don't sound like that. Fascinating > > Jane Honey > > --- On Mon, 20/6/11, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > > > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 20 June, 2011, 21:38 > > > > > On Monday 20/06/2011 at 3:50 pm, Linda Mason  wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded >> >> Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for >> those of >> you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect >> spoken >> and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have >> a >> listen :-) >> >> Linda > Thankyou very much, thoroughly enjoyed it and the one about Bloomer, > the football great. Makes me remember Derek Pace my 2nd cousin > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm > Gord Pace, Ontario,Can. >> > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

the accent sounded to me like a Geordie trying to speak brummie. Even my Black Country rels don't sound like that. Fascinating   Jane Honey --- On Mon, 20/6/11, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 20 June, 2011, 21:38 On Monday 20/06/2011 at 3:50 pm, Linda Mason  wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > > Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for > those of > you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > spoken > and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have > a > listen :-) > > Linda Thankyou very much, thoroughly enjoyed it and the one about Bloomer, the football great. Makes me remember Derek Pace my 2nd cousin http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm Gord Pace, Ontario,Can. > ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reply Miners and Emigration. My family came over in two waves and finally brought spouses in 1870. They went to Schulkyl, PA They were Fereday and Griffiths. Whitehouses seem to stay in MD. Wanda Lee On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:34 AM, <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Miners and Emigration (Gord Pace) > 2. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (JANE DYER) > 3. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Paul Prescott) > 4. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Peter Willetts) > 5. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Peter Wharton) > 6. Re: Chainstriker film from Cradley (Pete & Lin Lamberg) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:41:08 -0400 > From: Gord Pace <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Miners and Emigration > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Cc: "Kelly, Sheryl" <SKelly@co.butler.pa.us> > Message-ID: <60024CCB-6074-4840-94D9-CC7F8743E420@nexicom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On 2011-05-20, at 8:53 AM, Kelly, Sheryl wrote: > > > Does anyone have information, or perhaps could direct me to information > > concerning the emigration of British coal miners to the United States? > > My ancestor, John Eaton seems to have left his wife and children behind > > in about 1862 (Coseley area) to mine in the United States. I have read > > that when the American Civil War began in 1861, foreign miners were > > heavily recruited to fill the abandoned positions in the U.S. mines. > > John's wife and children seem to have followed him to US in late 1863. I > > am specifically interested in advertisements that may have been posted > > for miners, what compelled them to go (better life, money?) and the > > events occurring in the Black Country at that time (strikes, disease, > > etc.?). > > > > Thank you, > > Sheryl Kelly > > Yes, The area of Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania, Lucerne County, probably had > enough Staffordshire coal miners emigrate there. Several years ago I was on > my way from Ontario to Williamsburg, VA for that year's annual PACE Family > reunion. The car needed gas at Wilkes-Barre, PA. just past Scranton about > three in the morning.Leaving the gas station, heading back to the I-81 I > mentioned to my neighbour, who came with me, that this area of PA. was a > coal mining area and I mentioned, wondering if any of the Staffordshire coal > mining people had come there, co-workers of my Pace family of the Black > Country area of the UK. Presently, the car reached the corner, after the gas > station, where a street light illuminated the street sign which I glanced > at, then looked again, guess what - it said STAFFORD Street. I said to my > neighbour, sitting beside me in the car, "I guess that street sign answers > my question". > > Much the same I observed when visiting Sidney, Nova Scotia, a coal mining > area of Cape Breton, Island. Driving around downtown Sidney, two of the > main streets were STAFFORD St. another was PITT Street. I was quite amazed. > My PACE family was connected a few times with PITT family members and > CORBETTs in the Shareshill parish, which is between Wolverhampton and > Cannock, in the Black Country. I looked in the local Sidney, NS telephone > book, there were many CORBETT names in there some PITTs and PACEs > > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/pitt.htm - have a look at PITT PACE > CORBETT in the Shareshill records. > Church of St.Mary & St.Luke > > My grandfather was a coal miner and died at Lethbridge, Alberta in 1926. I > have been back there a few times to visit his grave. Driving around > Lethbridge, one can notice STAFFORD Street and other names with Stafford in > them. > > I had bought a book about the Frank Slide, about 1908 at Frank, Alberta, a > mountain gave way and buried a good part of the town. The book said many > Staffordshire coal miners were killed. Where coal mining is concerned, there > is always danger. Much can be learned from the Frank Slide Museum near the > site. > > After seeing for myself, three coal mining areas, over here, with > STAFFORDSHIRE evidence, there's little doubt that coal miners from > Staffordshire migrated to where there was mining going on. No doubt, there > are coal mining areas that I don't even know about, where miners from the > Black Country have migrated to. > > In Pennsylvania again, there was the Johnstown Flood disaster > http://www.johnstownpa.com/History/hist19.html > A ROAR LIKE THUNDER - On June 1 1889 Americans woke to the news that > Johnstown, Pennsylvania had been devastated by the worst flood in the > Nation's history. Over 2,200 were dead, with many more homeless. Two PACE > brothers, miners from Gloucestershire were involved in that disaster. > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/uk/gls.htm - They went on to mining > interests in Colorado after the flood > > On this list is/was a lady from the Black Country, living in PA. who > organized the Black Country Reunion at State College, PA. She may still be > on this list. She had a web site about the reunion. No doubt, there are many > descendents in Pennsylvania today of miners from the Black Country. > GTPace, Ontario > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:45:52 +0100 (BST) > From: JANE DYER <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <217458.16539.qm@web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > the accent sounded to me like a Geordie trying to speak brummie. Even my > Black Country rels don't sound like that. Fascinating > ? > Jane Honey > > --- On Mon, 20/6/11, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > > > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 20 June, 2011, 21:38 > > > > > On Monday 20/06/2011 at 3:50 pm, Linda Mason? wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > > > > Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for > > those of > > you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > > spoken > > and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have > > a > > listen :-) > > > > Linda > Thankyou very much, thoroughly enjoyed it and the one about Bloomer, > the football great. Makes me remember Derek Pace my 2nd cousin > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm > Gord Pace, Ontario,Can. > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:54:49 +0100 > From: Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BANLkTikDqWaY-idS-68SUKDu9gP0K84-JA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It certainly isn't a Black Country accent - it's someone trying to > mimic one and failing badly. Even Timothy Spall managed to do better > in "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". > > Paul > > > > > On 21 June 2011 12:45, JANE DYER <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> wrote: > > the accent sounded to me like a Geordie trying to speak brummie. Even my > Black Country rels don't sound like that. Fascinating > > > > Jane Honey > > > > --- On Mon, 20/6/11, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > > > > > > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, 20 June, 2011, 21:38 > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 20/06/2011 at 3:50 pm, Linda Mason? wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > >> > >> Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for > >> those of > >> you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > >> spoken > >> and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have > >> a > >> listen :-) > >> > >> Linda > > Thankyou very much, thoroughly enjoyed it and the one about Bloomer, > > the football great. Makes me remember Derek Pace my 2nd cousin > > http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm > > Gord Pace, Ontario,Can. > >> > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:57:16 +0100 > From: "Peter Willetts" <luminaires@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A3E4C6A10ECE40D79BF98FD3011CFED9@desktop1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A riveting bit of film (excuse the pun), but one which also reminds us of > the thousands of our ancestors who laboured long and hard in backyard > chainshops to produce the stuff. Whole families, including women and > children as young as eleven years old worked for a pittance in filthy and > dangerous conditions. One step up from the previous generation of nailers, > but in truth not a great improvement. We don't know we're born. > > Peter Willetts > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Mason" <lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:49 PM > Subject: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwNiUlN_OY&feature=player_embedded > > > > Lovely film of what a chainstriker from Cradley Heath did. And for those > > of > > you in far flung places that perhaps have never heard the BC dialect > > spoken > > and have wondered what your BC ancestors may have sounded like...have a > > listen :-) > > > > Linda > > > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run > > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3715 - Release Date: 06/20/11 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:54:53 +0100 > From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006b01cc301a$cc597740$650c65c0$@wharton-family.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine > as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across > the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards > > Peter wharton > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Willetts > Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A > message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:34:25 +0100 (BST) > From: Pete & Lin Lamberg <palamberg@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <931108.39869.qm@web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > Wasn't Timothy Small supposed to be a Brummie? Different place to the > Black > Country. > Linda....... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Peter Wharton <peter@wharton-family.org> > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 14:54:53 > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > I thought that for most of the film the accent sounded reasonably genuine > as > did the dialect words used, although I did think there was an occasional > funny both with accent ( a touch of Scottish I thought once) and the > dialect. However I've no doubt there would be regional variations across > the > black country > > I've always regarded Timothy Spall as doing a Birmingham or perhaps a more > general West Midland accent, I don't particularly remember him using any > dialect words, but it was some time ago that I last saw the program. > Regards > > Peter wharton > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Willetts > Sent: 21 June 2011 13:57 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Chainstriker film from Cradley > > Contrary to suggestions, this is definitely a BC accent - listen to the way > he says 'ocean' for example. > > A > message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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