Thanks for that Velda, I know this website well and never thought of looking there. Paul

My great grandmother Hannah Lewis was born in 1879 in Bridge St Bilston anyone know of photographs that might exist of this st. She married Arthur Cockinin in the late 1890's . Her mother was Elizabeth Adams her father unknown anyone researching this family. Paul

Lawrence, I've no doubt you are correct and the current resident/owner, Mrs S. Humphreys, serves on the Alveley & Romsley Parish Council. That said, she may know a little more about the property and its previous occupiers, and being on the Parish Council, is probably used to receiving unsolicited mail, so why not drop her a line, Geoff? No harm in asking. The full address can be found in this doument:- http://www.2shrop.net/live/images/cme_resources/Groups/g171A69B9-FB91-45C1-9408-6DF3DF787936/Documents%202010/parisj%20contact%20details/20102/PARISH-DATABASE.xls I'm somewhat further away than you, Lawrence, on the island of Crete! Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LawrenceLowe" <lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ulet Hall, postcode > > As a follow up it is now Howlett's Hall Farm, post code DY7 5LJ. > > Lawrence > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LawrenceLowe > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:53 AM > To: 'Maurice Sheppard'; eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > > > Maurice, Geoff, > > I've looked on an 1884 map of the area in more detail and I still think > "Utel" is "Howtel" due to the close proximity to the adjacent properties > named on the census sheet before and after the page you described. It is > still marked on the my 1999 OS map of the area and I can see it as a farm > on > Google Maps satellite view. > > The Hall is not named in the enumerator's instruction sheets for their > route > but the instructed routes for 1871,1881 and 1891 take them past the place. > > I used to live about 6 miles south of Alveley in North Kidderminster and > would have cycled through those lanes, probably last time was in 1965! I > recall the area but not the Hall. ( I now live 360 miles away in Scotland > so > can't pop over.) > > Good luck, > > Lawrence > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maurice Sheppard [mailto:maurice@msheppard.com] > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:16 PM > To: lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk; eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > > > And it Lawrence is correct, it gets a mention here:- > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=166-2074&cid=-1#-1 > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LawrenceLowe" <lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > > >> Geoff, >> >> My guess is that the "Ulet Hall" is actually "Howlet Hall". >> >> See old OS Map :- >> >> http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?txtXCoord=377642&txtYCoord=285053 >> >> If you walk the route of names on the census pages, Harts Green, Heath >> Farm >> and so on you will pass Howlet Hall, which bears a colloquial similarity >> to >> Ulet Hall.? >> >> Lawrence >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Allen >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:57 PM >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please >> >> >> Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one >> of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on >> Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I >> can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this >> has been transcribed correctly. The details are: >> >> RG11 2631/34 Page 7 >> >> The head of the family is William ROWLEY. >> >> Many thanks for your help. >> >> Regards, >> >> Geoff >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run > >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED > >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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As a follow up it is now Howlett's Hall Farm, post code DY7 5LJ. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LawrenceLowe Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:53 AM To: 'Maurice Sheppard'; eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please Maurice, Geoff, I've looked on an 1884 map of the area in more detail and I still think "Utel" is "Howtel" due to the close proximity to the adjacent properties named on the census sheet before and after the page you described. It is still marked on the my 1999 OS map of the area and I can see it as a farm on Google Maps satellite view. The Hall is not named in the enumerator's instruction sheets for their route but the instructed routes for 1871,1881 and 1891 take them past the place. I used to live about 6 miles south of Alveley in North Kidderminster and would have cycled through those lanes, probably last time was in 1965! I recall the area but not the Hall. ( I now live 360 miles away in Scotland so can't pop over.) Good luck, Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Sheppard [mailto:maurice@msheppard.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:16 PM To: lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk; eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please And it Lawrence is correct, it gets a mention here:- http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=166-2074&cid=-1#-1 Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LawrenceLowe" <lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > Geoff, > > My guess is that the "Ulet Hall" is actually "Howlet Hall". > > See old OS Map :- > > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?txtXCoord=377642&txtYCoord=285053 > > If you walk the route of names on the census pages, Harts Green, Heath > Farm > and so on you will pass Howlet Hall, which bears a colloquial similarity > to > Ulet Hall.? > > Lawrence > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Allen > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:57 PM > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > > > Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one > of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on > Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I > can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this > has been transcribed correctly. The details are: > > RG11 2631/34 Page 7 > > The head of the family is William ROWLEY. > > Many thanks for your help. > > Regards, > > Geoff > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maurice, Geoff, I've looked on an 1884 map of the area in more detail and I still think "Utel" is "Howtel" due to the close proximity to the adjacent properties named on the census sheet before and after the page you described. It is still marked on the my 1999 OS map of the area and I can see it as a farm on Google Maps satellite view. The Hall is not named in the enumerator's instruction sheets for their route but the instructed routes for 1871,1881 and 1891 take them past the place. I used to live about 6 miles south of Alveley in North Kidderminster and would have cycled through those lanes, probably last time was in 1965! I recall the area but not the Hall. ( I now live 360 miles away in Scotland so can't pop over.) Good luck, Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Sheppard [mailto:maurice@msheppard.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:16 PM To: lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk; eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please And it Lawrence is correct, it gets a mention here:- http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=166-2074&cid=-1#-1 Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LawrenceLowe" <lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > Geoff, > > My guess is that the "Ulet Hall" is actually "Howlet Hall". > > See old OS Map :- > > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?txtXCoord=377642&txtYCoord=285053 > > If you walk the route of names on the census pages, Harts Green, Heath > Farm > and so on you will pass Howlet Hall, which bears a colloquial similarity > to > Ulet Hall.? > > Lawrence > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Allen > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:57 PM > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > > > Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one > of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on > Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I > can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this > has been transcribed correctly. The details are: > > RG11 2631/34 Page 7 > > The head of the family is William ROWLEY. > > Many thanks for your help. > > Regards, > > Geoff > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And it Lawrence is correct, it gets a mention here:- http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=166-2074&cid=-1#-1 Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LawrenceLowe" <lawrencelowe@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > Geoff, > > My guess is that the "Ulet Hall" is actually "Howlet Hall". > > See old OS Map :- > > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?txtXCoord=377642&txtYCoord=285053 > > If you walk the route of names on the census pages, Harts Green, Heath > Farm > and so on you will pass Howlet Hall, which bears a colloquial similarity > to > Ulet Hall.? > > Lawrence > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Allen > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:57 PM > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > > > Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one > of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on > Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I > can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this > has been transcribed correctly. The details are: > > RG11 2631/34 Page 7 > > The head of the family is William ROWLEY. > > Many thanks for your help. > > Regards, > > Geoff > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The nearest properties were Leamores, Heath House, and then Harts Green so it was probably to the east of Romsley. In 1891 Ulet Hall was occupied by Hannah, George & Flory MARSTON. Hope that helps. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Sheppard" <maurice@msheppard.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > The address is Ulet Hall, Romsley. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Allen" <geoff.allen@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:56 PM > Subject: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > > >> Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one >> of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on >> Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I >> can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this >> has been transcribed correctly. The details are: >> >> RG11 2631/34 Page 7 >> >> The head of the family is William ROWLEY. >> >> Many thanks for your help. >> >> Regards, >> >> Geoff >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The address is Ulet Hall, Romsley. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Allen" <geoff.allen@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:56 PM Subject: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please > Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one > of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on > Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I > can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this > has been transcribed correctly. The details are: > > RG11 2631/34 Page 7 > > The head of the family is William ROWLEY. > > Many thanks for your help. > > Regards, > > Geoff > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Geoff, My guess is that the "Ulet Hall" is actually "Howlet Hall". See old OS Map :- http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?txtXCoord=377642&txtYCoord=285053 If you walk the route of names on the census pages, Harts Green, Heath Farm and so on you will pass Howlet Hall, which bears a colloquial similarity to Ulet Hall.? Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Allen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:57 PM To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: [Black Country] 1881 Census Look up please Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this has been transcribed correctly. The details are: RG11 2631/34 Page 7 The head of the family is William ROWLEY. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Geoff ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone please do a look-up for me. I'm trying to locate where one of my ancestors lived at the time of the 1881 census. The info on Familysearch shows their location as Ulet Hall, Alveley, Shropshire. I can't find this on any of the old maps, please could you confirm this has been transcribed correctly. The details are: RG11 2631/34 Page 7 The head of the family is William ROWLEY. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Geoff

Hackett; Mole.

Eaton (born Shropshire) - Wolverhampton (1825 marriage), Bilston, Sedgely and Tipton Martin - Tipton (pre-1855 time period) Millward (born Shropshire) - Wolverhampton (1825 marriage)

Listers Is anyone researching a HILL family in Wolverhampton? I sent for a copy of a death certificate for my grandfather John Thomas HILL but this certificate is for a different JT. Hopefully these details may be of use to someone else. Entry No: 258 Date of Death: 21 April 1929 Location: 53 Salop Street Wolverhampton Name: John Thomas HILL Sex: Male Age: 64 years Occupation: Boot Repairer Cause of Death: Carcinoma of oesophagus, no PM, certified by E.C.Muspratt Informant: Nancy HILL, widow of the deceased, present at the death, 53 Salop St Wolverhampton Date of Registration: 23 April 1929 I’d be happy to forward the original to the right family. Regards Trevor Flavell Researching: Tipton Sedgley : FLAVELL, ALLEN, Wolverhampton + West Bromwich: HILL, HARRISON, THICKBROOM Staffordshire : SWINNERTON

Anyone researching this family. In the Coseley area. surname used was sometimes Dudley Simms then the Simms was dropped, then sometimes the Dudley was dropped. Paul

Audrie and List: Do you know anything about their daughter, Ann born about 1850? Who did she marry? Did she come to America? Marsha Researching PEARSON, BURCHELL, HOMER, HURLEY, GOLDEN On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Audrie Arseneault <stargzer1954@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi all, >  Looking for the parents of Joseph SMITH born about 1819 in Wednesbury. He married a Annie RADCLIFFE in or about 1840 in Dudley. Annie was born  in Darlaston about 1821 and was the daughter of Charles and Elizabeth (MASON) RATCLIFFE. Charles Radcliffe I have as being born about 1795 and his wife Elizabeth Mason I have as being born about 1795. > > Joseph and Annie had the following children: > Charles born about 1842, William born about 1844, Elizabeth born abt 1846, Joseph born abt 1848, Ann born abt 1850, John born abt 1854, George born about 1857, Emma....my great grandmother was born abt 1858 in Wednesbury. She later married a Henry James THOMPSON....the son of John and Martha (HUGHES) THOMPSON.  Samuel born about 1861, Martha born abt 1863 and Mary Jane. > > I have found Joseph on a few of the later censuses living in Wednesbury but with so many SMITHS can't be certain how to find him before his marriage in 1840. > > Do not know when he or Annie died but I believe he died before 1891 in Wednesbury. > > I have also found my great grandmother Emma with her parents and while she was married on a few of the censuses but not for 1901 or later so I am assuming she must of past away before then. I believe my great grandfather Henry James THOMPSON died after the 1901 census because that is the last one I was able to find him on. > > Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. St Barthomew and St James are the parishes I have been able to find them living around. > Thank you > Have a great day > Audrie > > > > "Cut not the wings of your dreams...for they are the heartbeat and the freedom of your soul" > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi to fellow Baggott (etc) researchers. The family of Humfrey Baggott, Clerkenwell, London, Middlesex Many Baggott trees drawn up before the actual pictures of the London Parish Registers were to be found online had only LDS IGI to rely upon for researching the Baggotts of London. IGI online contains very few burials. One name that appears in many trees is that of Humfrey Baggott/Bagot/Biggot said to be born around 1577 in Norwich and living in London. I have listed below the entries from the actual London registers, which are very hard to read online, most of these entries are not yet on LDS IGI. Quite a few trees attribute descendants to Humfrey's son William born in 1625 but sadly he died aged six months. First there were two marriages for Humfrey Baggott, - The first, in 1613 to Elizabeth Taylor, takes place in the very parish where all the children listed in the registers were baptised or buried, Clerkenwell. This marriage is not on IGI. - The second in St Mary Mounthaw, City of London, in 1617 to Elizabeth Twentyman; this is the one often quoted in the family trees; this marriage is on IGI. Entries in London parish registers for Humfrey Baggott - St. James, Clerkenwell, London 1613 - Marriage, Humfrey Baggot to Elizabeth Taylor, August 4th, 1613 St Mary Mounthaw, London 1617 - Marriage, Humfrey Baggott married Elizabeth Twentyman on October 7th, 1617 St. James, Clerkenwell, London 1618 - Richard, son of Humfrey Baggott, baptised, August 19th, 1618 1621 - Humfrey born to Humfrey Baggott & Elizabeth, baptised March 15th, 1621 1620 - "Cicely", a daughter Humfrey Baggott baptised, January 23, 1620 (1619 old calendar) 1621 - "Cicely", a daughter Humfrey Baggott buried, April 15th, 1621 1625 - William, son of Humfrey Baggott & Elizabeth, christened, January 1st, 1625(1624 old calendar) 1625 - Humfrey, son of Humfrey, buried, June 9th, 1625 1625 - William, son of Humfrey, buried, June 9th, 1625 (Note: 1625 was the year of the worst London plague until the Great Plague of 1665) 1627 - John, a son born to Humfrey Baggott, christened January 6th 1628 (1627 old calendar) 1630 - John, son of Humfrey Baggott, buried, October 13th, 1630 1634 - John, son born to Humfrey Baggott, christened, November 16th, 1634. I have seen no evidence to prove that the Humfrey Baggott born in Norwich is the same one who appears in London. This would need a close inspection of the Norwich parish registers to see if he appeared in them later in his life; he doesn't on IGI but that lists only a tiny proportion of the real parish register entries. It is possible that Elizabeth Taylor died, maybe in childbirth, and Humfrey remarried Elizabeth Twentyman but there is no evidence for Elizabeth Taylor's death that I have found so far. A William was born to Humfrey and Elizabeth in 1625 but he was buried six months later along with his brother Humfrey, probably victims of the plague of 1625. So William could not have been the father of Thomas Baggott shown in many trees as born in 1646. These burials are not on IGI. I realise these findings go contrary to some very well known trees, I'll leave researchers to make their own minds up about the implications. Corrections and feedback very welcome. Lawrence

Hi all,  Looking for the parents of Joseph SMITH born about 1819 in Wednesbury. He married a Annie RADCLIFFE in or about 1840 in Dudley. Annie was born  in Darlaston about 1821 and was the daughter of Charles and Elizabeth (MASON) RATCLIFFE. Charles Radcliffe I have as being born about 1795 and his wife Elizabeth Mason I have as being born about 1795.   Joseph and Annie had the following children: Charles born about 1842, William born about 1844, Elizabeth born abt 1846, Joseph born abt 1848, Ann born abt 1850, John born abt 1854, George born about 1857, Emma....my great grandmother was born abt 1858 in Wednesbury. She later married a Henry James THOMPSON....the son of John and Martha (HUGHES) THOMPSON.  Samuel born about 1861, Martha born abt 1863 and Mary Jane.   I have found Joseph on a few of the later censuses living in Wednesbury but with so many SMITHS can't be certain how to find him before his marriage in 1840.   Do not know when he or Annie died but I believe he died before 1891 in Wednesbury.   I have also found my great grandmother Emma with her parents and while she was married on a few of the censuses but not for 1901 or later so I am assuming she must of past away before then. I believe my great grandfather Henry James THOMPSON died after the 1901 census because that is the last one I was able to find him on.   Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. St Barthomew and St James are the parishes I have been able to find them living around. Thank you Have a great day Audrie   "Cut not the wings of your dreams...for they are the heartbeat and the freedom of your soul"

Hi Ducie They lived in Siddons road in Coseley and Homer featured a lot too. Paul

Hello Paul I don't have a Dudley Sims I'm sorry. Are there any other names you can throw at me to see if you connect? Kind regards Ducie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bennett" <bennyzin@hotmail.com> To: "Black Country Messages" <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Roll Call Hi Ducie I have Dudley in my tree also known as Dudley Sims from the Sedgeley area anything the same in your tree. Paul -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1176 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

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