Several years ago I organize a Brierley Hill Grammar School reunion, and Ann TIMMINS was one of the students. Her father's name was William (I think). Ann had died and I spoke with her mother on the phone. The address I have was Kingswinford. Ann's mother may have passed also by now, but I can call the telephone number that I have, if no one else claims the Bible or Will. I live in USA. Had I been local, I would have called the number before writing this email. > 1. Fw: Fwd: WILL OF JONAH TIMMINS - Gornal Wood > (yates.lynn1947@tiscali.co.uk) > > >

Hi, I am reposting my email from August concerning the old Will and Bible belonging to the TIMMINS FAMILY of Lower Gornal. I have since looked up the 1881, 1891 and 1901 census and found the Timmins family living in Bird Street, Lower Gornal. The occupations of Alfred Timmins and other adults in the family were Miners, Chain Makers and Nail Makers. I would dearly like to reunite the Will and Bible with the Timmins family of Lower Gornal. Please get in touch if you have any connection. Many thanks, Lynn Yates - Mid Wales. ----Original Message---- From: lpy.llwyn@googlemail.com Date: 31/08/2011 10:56 To: "yates.lynn1947"<yates.lynn1947@tiscali.co.uk> Subj: Fwd: WILL OF JONAH TIMMINS - Gornal Wood ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lynn Yates <lpy.llwyn@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:59 PM Subject: WILL OF JONAH TIMMINS - Gornal Wood To: Black Country Rootsweb <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Hi, Following the death of my elderly Mom recently, I have been clearing out her house in Wolverhampton and have come across an old handwritten Will and family Bible which I know do not relate to any of our side of the family but must have been left at her house by a gentleman friend who has also now died. If any of descendants of Jonah Timmins of Gornal Wood, died 1886, would like this Will and Bible I would be happy to pass them on. The Will is in excellent condition but the Bible is a little worse for wear. On reading the Will, it seems that Jonah had several children :- Sons, Alfred Timmins &amp; John Timmins Daughters, Rosannah, Teresa, Sarah Jane, Martha and Harriot. I often travel to the West Midlands so it would be easy for me to meet up with who-ever claims them. Regards, Lynn Yates, Mid Wales.

Don't forget everyone it's the Border History Fair today at the Town Hall and Victoria Centre Biddulph. (10am till 4pm) See their website at www.borderhistory.org.uk for details and location map etc The BMSGH will be there with a stall. Regards Bill Harrison Webmaster Staffs BMD and WestMidlands BMD

Thought subscribers might be interested in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHetJcFN5w&feature=uploademail Linda

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 2,006 for Hanley, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1883-1885) 499 for Shelton, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1895-1895) 1,503 for Stoke, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1891-1893) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

Hi Emma Where are your Hodgetts from? Mine are from Cradley. Steph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Donovan" <emmasfamilyhistory@gmail.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Roll Call > Hi Everyone, > > Long time reader, first time poster ..! > > My Surnames are ... Burrows, Hartill, Hyde, and Guest. > > Also: Marsh, Hodgetts > > Thanks! Emma > >

Lois, Try the Somerset & Dorset Family history Society/ & also Weymouth Library, both addresses can be found using google. There is also the Dorset Family history Society. I contacted them both last year re my family & they were very helpful. Hope this helps Sue On 28/09/2011 08:00, eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. "Landed Proprietor of Convent" ? (maaisha@aol.com) > 2. Re: "Landed Proprietor of Convent" ? (Paul Prescott) > 3. Re: "Landed Proprietor of Convent" ? (maaisha@aol.com) > > > To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hi Lois >>Widow of Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth<< You don't tell us where she actually died, but I would assume from this it was in a hospital, or at least a place that wasn't her normal residence, because what it means that she was (1) the Widow of Enrique PARIS, Landed Proprietor and (2) that her normal address was (ie that she was "of") the Convent, Weymouth. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: <maaisha@aol.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: [Black Country] "Landed Proprietor of Convent" ? Hi Listers, Although this particular death certificate comes from Lewes, Sussex, I am hoping to draw on the expertise of this list. I think the answers will apply generally. I have a death certificate that says the deceased was the "Widow of Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth". What can that mean? Did he own the land the convent was on? Was he the owner or manager of the convent? He was of Spanish descent, born in Bogata, Columbia. How would he have a convent? I thought churches owned convents. Can someone help me understand this? T.I.A., Lois ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ahh, thank you, Polly. She died at St. George's Retreat, Lewes, Sussex. Yes, perhaps she lived at the Convent Weymouth before being hospitalized at St. George's Retreat.. She lived in London in 1901 and was also born in London. Perhaps sometime after 1901 she moved to a convent and from there was hospitalized before her death in 1910. That makes sense. And Enrique was a "landed proprietor" of something, meaning that he owned land and had a business on it? Of course this leads me to wonder what business and what land, so now I'll be off to locate those. On the other hand, their children were all born in Columbia and he died there. I'll bet he was a "landed proprietor" in Columbia. I've been told that she had difficulty settling the estate because of dissension among his relatives, and came back to England after the settlement. So I think she must have lived an independent life in London until age forced her into the assistance provided by a convent, and then was hospitalized when health issues became acute. I think I've got it now. Thanks very, very much! Best Wishes, Lois -----Original Message----- From: Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] "Landed Proprietor of Convent" ? Hi Lois >>Widow of Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth<< You don't tell us where she actually died, but I would assume from this it was in a hospital, or at least a place that wasn't her normal residence, because what it means that she was (1) the Widow of Enrique PARIS, Landed Proprietor and (2) that her normal address was (ie that she was "of") the Convent, Weymouth. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: <maaisha@aol.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: [Black Country] "Landed Proprietor of Convent" ? Hi Listers, Although this particular death certificate comes from Lewes, Sussex, I am hoping to draw on the expertise of this list. I think the answers will apply generally. I have a death certificate that says the deceased was the "Widow of Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth". What can that mean? Did he own the land the convent was on? Was he the owner or manager of the convent? He was of Spanish descent, born in Bogata, Columbia. How would he have a convent? I thought churches owned convents. Can someone help me understand this? T.I.A., Lois ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lois: I suspect a comma is missing, and that he was a landed prioprietor, whose residence at time of death was "The Convent, Weymouth". Probably the convent had a hospital wing in which he died. Best wishes Paul On 27 September 2011 23:12, <maaisha@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Listers, > Although this particular death certificate comes from Lewes, Sussex, I am > hoping to draw on the expertise of this list. I think the answers will > apply generally. > I have a death certificate that says the deceased was the "Widow of > Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth". What can that > mean? Did he own the land the convent was on? Was he the owner or manager > of the convent? He was of Spanish descent, born in Bogata, Columbia. How > would he have a convent? I thought churches owned convents. Can someone > help me understand this? > T.I.A., Lois > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Paul. I may not have stated it clearly enough, confused as I am. Eliza Stronach Paris died, and under Occupation it said, "Widow of Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth". She died at St. George's Retreat on Ditchling Rd., Burgess Hill, Lewes, Sussex. She was 85 and died in 1910. The institution is now senior citizen homes with some assisted living available. Their website says it started as a mental institution. Her Columbian husband, Enrique Paris, was the son of Simon Bolivar's best friend, a liberator of Columbia and owner of an emerald mine. So the family had money. Maybe he bought the land the convent was on? You may be right that he lived at Convent Weymouth. Or maybe he was the proprietor of the convent and lived in Weymouth? It does say "proprietor of the" May have to remain inscrutable! Cheers, Lois -----Original Message----- From: Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [Black Country] "Landed Proprietor of Convent" ? Lois: I suspect a comma is missing, and that he was a landed prioprietor, whose residence at time of death was "The Convent, Weymouth". Probably the convent had a hospital wing in which he died. Best wishes Paul On 27 September 2011 23:12, <maaisha@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Listers, > Although this particular death certificate comes from Lewes, Sussex, I am > hoping to draw on the expertise of this list. I think the answers will > apply generally. > I have a death certificate that says the deceased was the "Widow of > Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth". What can that > mean? Did he own the land the convent was on? Was he the owner or manager > of the convent? He was of Spanish descent, born in Bogata, Columbia. How > would he have a convent? I thought churches owned convents. Can someone > help me understand this? > T.I.A., Lois > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =

Hi Listers, Although this particular death certificate comes from Lewes, Sussex, I am hoping to draw on the expertise of this list. I think the answers will apply generally. I have a death certificate that says the deceased was the "Widow of Enrique Paris, Landed Proprietor of the Convent Weymouth". What can that mean? Did he own the land the convent was on? Was he the owner or manager of the convent? He was of Spanish descent, born in Bogata, Columbia. How would he have a convent? I thought churches owned convents. Can someone help me understand this? T.I.A., Lois

I really enjoyed using Google Earth to see the streets and buildings I have walked/visited on my researching trips. Thanks for keeping us up to date Ian. Jane Wettstone Researching - although not very hard any more: CLARKE, SADLER, GRIFFITHS, BAILEY, HALE, WOODHALL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Beach" <ianbeach@hotmail.com> To: "sedgley" <ENG-STS-SEDGLEY-L@rootsweb.com>; "bc" <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:55 PM Subject: [Black Country] SedgleyManor website update. > Hi Listers > > Latest update to the site : > http://www.sedgleymanor.com/misc/whats_new.html > > All the best from Down Under > > Ian > > -- > Ian Beach > Bunbury, Western Australia > > Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire > at http://www.sedgleymanor.com > > Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY > at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html > > Researching: > > Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, > GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD& TURLEY > > Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME& YATES > > Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Apologies I pressed the wrong contact. Please ignore this message Paul

> Time travel is theoretically possible (backwards only) And forwards. See: An Experiment with Time, J. W. Dunne 1927 http://uk.ask.com/wiki/An_Experiment_with_Time Ron S

Would we all be up to all of the walking they did, from town to town, carrying bags of shopping from the markets?? Linda....... ________________________________ From: Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 18 September, 2011 14:29:10 Subject: [Black Country] Time machine Lois: > Sometimes it would be so nice to be able to go back and help them. I guess that's something many family historians have thought about from time to time. I know I have. But I foresee two big problems (leaving aside the question of where you find a time machine). Would we be able to understand their speech (and they ours)? And surely we'd rapidly fall victim to one of the many diseases that were around that they were immune to and we wouldn't be. Any other problems? ATB Paul ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lois: > Sometimes it would be so nice to be able to go back and help them. I guess that's something many family historians have thought about from time to time. I know I have. But I foresee two big problems (leaving aside the question of where you find a time machine). Would we be able to understand their speech (and they ours)? And surely we'd rapidly fall victim to one of the many diseases that were around that they were immune to and we wouldn't be. Any other problems? ATB Paul

Hi Lois, Have you tried searching for this family on the 1851 census? Assuming that thay lived that long and you could find them, that would give you their ages. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <maaisha@aol.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:39 PM Subject: [Black Country] marriage questions >I have run into a marriage that puzzles me. The register says both parties >were "of this parish" and the bride is listed as "parish widow". What >would that mean? Additionally, it says they were married by "consent of >parents". The marriage took place in 1820. It looks as if both were able >to sign their names, which surprised me for that date. It seems odd that >the bride would be celebrating her second marriage, but still be so young >as to need parental consent. Unless the groom was the underage party. Any >help would be appreciated. > Cheers, > Lois > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3903 - Release Date: 09/17/11 >

Hi Lois Parish Widow means that she probably has a young child and was dependant on the parish for her upkeep, her parents been unable to support her. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com maaisha@aol.com wrote: > I have run into a marriage that puzzles me. The register says both parties were "of this parish" and the bride is listed as "parish widow". What would that mean? Additionally, it says they were married by "consent of parents". The marriage took place in 1820. It looks as if both were able to sign their names, which surprised me for that date. It seems odd that the bride would be celebrating her second marriage, but still be so young as to need parental consent. Unless the groom was the underage party. Any help would be appreciated. > Cheers, > Lois > >

Hi Lois At that time you needed consent up to the age of 21 and girls could marry at 12 and boys at 14 .This continued up until an act of parliament in 1929ish when the age for both went up to 16. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com maaisha@aol.com wrote: > I have run into a marriage that puzzles me. The register says both parties were "of this parish" and the bride is listed as "parish widow". What would that mean? Additionally, it says they were married by "consent of parents". The marriage took place in 1820. It looks as if both were able to sign their names, which surprised me for that date. It seems odd that the bride would be celebrating her second marriage, but still be so young as to need parental consent. Unless the groom was the underage party. Any help would be appreciated. > Cheers, > Lois > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >