Actually Pat, once you put anything on Ancestry in the public domain it is accessible by any member to do as they will. Another problem is that once you add your tree and you discontinue membership you cannot access you tree without rejoining so you never know what or who it is being used for or by. Happy New Year Pat. Yorkie

Val, Of those five I've just listed there are two possibles:- Alice ELLIS died aged 39 years at West Bromwich in 1925 and Alice MIERS died aged 49 years at Birmingham in 1935 Whether these are the same Alices, I don't know, but worth checking out. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Clifford" <valpclifford@gmail.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > Hi, > > My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told > by > my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I know > that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church > army` > is another name for Evangelist. > > I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her > married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have > made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. > > Has sks any ideas please? > > thanks > > Val > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Val, Here's the West Midlands area marriages from 1911, when she was single in Smethwick, until 1930 4Q 1915 Aston - Alice E. to Lawson W. NOON 3Q 1922 Wloverhampton - Alice to Percy H. AUGHT 4Q 1924 B'ham North - Alice to William H. ELLIS 3Q 1926 Foleshill - Alice to William GOODE 3Q 1926 Wolverhampton - Alice M. to Reginald P. MIERS Hope she's in there somewhere! Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Clifford" <valpclifford@gmail.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > Hi, > > My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told > by > my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I know > that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church > army` > is another name for Evangelist. > > I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her > married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have > made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. > > Has sks any ideas please? > > thanks > > Val > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told by my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I know that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church army` is another name for Evangelist. I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. Has sks any ideas please? thanks Val

Hi, I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted it and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was `by courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as their own work. One of them even published my former email address for people to contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their cheek, I decided to say nothing. As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that it`s in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the information, it belongs to them. A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key thing, is to remember to update it regularly. Regards Val

Hallo Pat. Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared information previously. Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems professional, it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the software design). > It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have common ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. Regards, Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!).

Hi Pat, I'm not sure what action you can take as I don't use Ancestry, but I am very wary about putting much of my tree anywhere. Genes Reunited has a few bare bones, FindMyPast has nothing, and even my own website only contains my basic direct line ancestry. Export it as a GEDCOM and save the file on a none public place - there are plenty of them. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayward" <hayward325@btinternet.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:49 PM Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > Happy New Year everyone. > > I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to ‘Ancestry’. > I thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer > crashed at any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill > health and poor eyesight. > This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ‘Who Do > You Think You Are’. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of > ‘Ancestry’ free for three months. Too good to pass up on. > > I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that > someone had hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all > listed to this other person. My parent’s and sisters names had been > deleted and my husband’s name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows > where. > > It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then > realised that all Dad’s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the > moment and this has certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? > Regards > Pat. > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your messages, suggestions and support. I have sent a message to 'Ancestry' to ask how this could happen and asking for their help. Years ago they gave my tree the name 'KERR Family Tree' but all entries for the name KERR, JOLLEY, KINNAIRD, ROSS, WRIGHT and many more had all been deleted. It was only later that I realised that my husband had been deleted and all his ancestor's names. HAYWARD, HALE, GRIFFITHS, HUGHES, HANCOX, DARBY etc etc. The more I think about it the more angry I get. Can you ask that no one changes your tree without your permission? Is that possible? Regard ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year, Pat and everyone on here :) Pat - do you know WHO this 'other person is' - have you tried to send them a message (copying in a 'help' email to Ancestry)? I don't see how it could have happened - how odd. They could have taken some of your 'tree' by copying it or incorporating it in to theirs, if it was a public tree but not if it was a private one. Really bizarre and a bit concerning too. Hope you get it sorted. Best Wishes Louise (been a while - we corresponded some years ago re: Frank and Nora Smith/ Bob Smith the music man/ Bilston shop owner). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayward" <hayward325@btinternet.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:49 PM Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > Happy New Year everyone. > > I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to ‘Ancestry’. > I thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer > crashed at any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill > health and poor eyesight. > This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ‘Who Do > You Think You Are’. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of > ‘Ancestry’ free for three months. Too good to pass up on. > > I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that > someone had hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all > listed to this other person. My parent’s and sisters names had been > deleted and my husband’s name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows > where. > > It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then > realised that all Dad’s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the > moment and this has certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? > Regards > Pat. > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year everyone. I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to ‘Ancestry’. I thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer crashed at any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor eyesight. This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ‘Who Do You Think You Are’. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of ‘Ancestry’ free for three months. Too good to pass up on. I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that someone had hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to this other person. My parent’s and sisters names had been deleted and my husband’s name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then realised that all Dad’s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and this has certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? Regards Pat.

I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and no reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the connection between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as I have periods of forced time away from research. I recently found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or contact them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't searched online. I have done further research on this line. As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had been considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? Not sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need to decide right now. Kathryne Natale momnat@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked . Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once with someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited access by other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, with errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct errors, but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave their errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it as a red flag. If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They can also directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is private it cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you have in a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a probable match, and contact information. They can then write to you through Ancestry (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I must say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, claiming the records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public records of my grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as names of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect for such people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't understand what their goal is. As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry for the reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all worried about my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, and keep that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of I don't know what). Just keep your tree private. You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your information. I do recommend a private tree on Ancestry. To a Happy and Better New Year! Lois in Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked Happy New Year everyone. I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to ‘Ancestry’. I thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer crashed at any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor eyesight. This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ‘Who Do You Think You Are’. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of ‘Ancestry’ free for three months. Too good to pass up on. I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that someone had hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to this other person. My parent’s and sisters names had been deleted and my husband’s name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then realised that all Dad’s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and this has certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? Regards Pat. ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the trees, and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy the erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at it. Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record collection. I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the hereafter. :) Regards, Lois -----Original Message----- From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they sell it. I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details as we go along. I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask that they agree to not publish on public lists. Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and found information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was little information. I did not, and will not correct the listing. James ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they sell it. I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details as we go along. I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask that they agree to not publish on public lists. Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and found information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was little information. I did not, and will not correct the listing. James

Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did that to see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, but when I clicked it again they all reappeared. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. > You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they > sell > it. > > I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to > establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details > as > we go along. > > I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask > that they agree to not publish on public lists. > > Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and > found > information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was > little information. > > I did not, and will not correct the listing. > > James > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, No one should be able to change information on your family tree, even if it is public. Can you write me off list? I am having trouble finding Kerr Family Tree, and would like to help you sort this out. My email is maaisha@aol.com. Regards, Lois -----Original Message----- From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 9:15 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked Thanks for your messages, suggestions and support. I have sent a message to 'Ancestry' to ask how this could happen and asking for their help. Years ago they gave my tree the name 'KERR Family Tree' but all entries for the name KERR, JOLLEY, KINNAIRD, ROSS, WRIGHT and many more had all been deleted. It was only later that I realised that my husband had been deleted and all his ancestor's names. HAYWARD, HALE, GRIFFITHS, HUGHES, HANCOX, DARBY etc etc. The more I think about it the more angry I get. Can you ask that no one changes your tree without your permission? Is that possible? Regard ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once with someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited access by other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, with errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct errors, but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave their errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it as a red flag. If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They can also directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is private it cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you have in a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a probable match, and contact information. They can then write to you through Ancestry (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I must say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, claiming the records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public records of my grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as names of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect for such people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't understand what their goal is. As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry for the reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all worried about my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, and keep that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of I don't know what). Just keep your tree private. You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your information. I do recommend a private tree on Ancestry. To a Happy and Better New Year! Lois in Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked Happy New Year everyone. I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to ‘Ancestry’. I thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer crashed at any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor eyesight. This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ‘Who Do You Think You Are’. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of ‘Ancestry’ free for three months. Too good to pass up on. I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that someone had hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to this other person. My parent’s and sisters names had been deleted and my husband’s name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then realised that all Dad’s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and this has certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? Regards Pat.

Hi All Just to wish everyone near and far a very Happy New Year and hope that we all break down a few more brick walls. Janet

Hi Jan I have been unable to check the archives ,and until I am out of this wheel chairn which wont be for months , I cant get down I dont think the police where called in when he got beaten up but his death might of been in the paper , Cheers Cassy --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Jan Rockett <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> wrote: > From: Jan Rockett <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] finding dead bodies end bit > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:14 PM > I am sure you must have done this and > if not someone would have suggested > it, but have you checked newspaper archives for the story? > It might give > details. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: cassy franklin > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:09 PM > To: mjflists@yahoo.co.uk > ; eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] finding dead bodies end bit > > Hi Jan > Have checked the GRO ,and my in-laws registered him , but > they are dead > so cant ask, and my husband  can only remember bits > at a push I would say if they took him to hospital apart > from > Edward Street,West Brom  might be Dudley road Brim but > I looked under > Warwick ,no luck there for that time frame , > Been unable to check Perry Barr Crem has its a bit far, but > still > should be able to find a death cert some where > Cheers > Cassy > > > --- On Mon, 12/26/11, Mike in Droitwich <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > > From: Mike in Droitwich <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> > > Subject: Re: [Black Country] finding dead bodies end > bit > > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 10:59 PM > > Hi Cassy > > > > have you tried applying to the GRO using the new > facility ? > > no reference > > just the time scale, place, birth date and informant, > as > > you know it. No > > find no fee, might leave out death place, do you have > the > > address of the > > informant ? > > > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich > > my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com > > > > cassy franklin wrote: > > > Hi Jan > > > did check this one out a couple of years ago just > in > > case ,but its not mine ,this one died in Oldbury and > was > > born there , > > > Cant understand why I CANT FIND MINE > > > Cheers > > > Cassy > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/26/11, Jan Rockett <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Jan Rockett <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> > > >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] finding dead > bodies > > end bit > > >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > > >> Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 6:03 PM > > >> How does this fit? > > >> > > >> Name:     ROSE, John W > > >> Registration District:  Help > > >>    West Bromwich > > >> County:      Staffordshire > > >> Year of Registration:      > 1964 > > >> Quarter of Registration: > > Apr-May-Jun > > >> Age at death:      83 > > >> Volume No:      9B > > >> Page No:      749 > > >> > > >> Jan > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: cassy franklin > > >> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:01 PM > > >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] finding dead > bodies > > end bit > > >> > > >> Hi All > > >> Am trying to type on a lap top[ which I cant > use > > and takes > > >> me hours > > >> them vanishes , but has its gone to the list > I > > will put the > > >> rest of the info > > >> on , > > >> At time of death John  William Rose was > > living > > >> at Thyme Street > > >> West Brom , if he wats taken to hosiptial it > would > > of been > > >> the old > > >> EDWARD Street, so his death cert should  > of > > came under > > >> West Brom7 > > >> cant  find one also looked under Warwick > , > > >> There was a John William Rose same agewho > died in > > Oldbury > > >> but this is n ot > > >> the right one > > >> Can Anyone help  please > > >> Cheers > > >> Cassy > > >> > > >> --- On Mon, 12/26/11, cassy franklin <cassyfranklin@yahoo.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> From: cassy franklin <cassyfranklin@yahoo.com> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] finding > dead > > bodies > > >>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > > >>> Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 2:08 PM > > >>> > > >>> Great idea Dave > > >>> Now can anyone help find a dead body, my > > husbands > > >> horrible > > >>> grandfather , he was born in 1880, and > died > > between > > >>> 1958-62 > > >>> but we can t seen  to find a death > cert > > >> for > > >>> him, > > >>> his name was John William Rose , and he > used > > to do > > >> bare > > >>> kuckle > > >>> fighting , and they used to call him > Jacky > > Blood > > >>> Two weeks before he died he set about > three > > men at the > > >> same > > >>> time > > >>> and he was  badly beaten up outside > the > > Hop pole > > >> pub > > >>> at West Bromwich > > >>> Now I have tried to find his death cert > > from > > >> 1958-62 > > >>> but no > > >>> luck , none of his children went to his > > funeral, > > >> besides my > > >>> husbands > > >>> parent ,who ended up paying for it ,has > they > > where the > > >> ones > > >>> informed > > >>> of his death, > > >>> We seem to think he was cremated, , I > have > > tried > > >>> Newton  Road no luck > > >>> there , but why cant I find a death cert > , > > >>> He was living at T > > >>> > > >>> --- On Sun, 12/25/11, Dave Ogden <d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> From: Dave Ogden <d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk> > > >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Merry > Christmas > > BC > > >> Listers > > >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > > >>>> Date: Sunday, December 25, 2011, 1:19 > AM > > >>>> Hi All, > > >>>>    >    Wishing you > > all a very Merry > > >>>> Christmas and a Happy New Year from > > >>>> here in The Black Country.....The > Cradle > > of the > > >>> Industrial > > >>>> Revolution, the > > >>>> home of our ancestors and the best > place > > on the > > >> Planet > > >>> for > > >>>> Local and Family > > >>>> History. > > >>>> Apologies for not being around too > often > > during > > >> the > > >>> past > > >>>> year but you have > > >>>> been in the good hands of Trev and > Cass > > for most > > >> of > > >>> the > > >>>> time. > > >>>> Hopefully 2012 will be a better year > and I > > will > > >> be > > >>> around > > >>>> much more often (I > > >>>> have read all your emails over the > past > > year > > >>> <G>). > > >>>> It's about time that we started off > our > > Black > > >> Country > > >>>> stories again, it's > > >>>> been so long since we had a few to > chew > > over and > > >>> natter > > >>>> about. 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Hi Lois, I have a UK bank account. What do you need? Jane in PA This is what Black Country friends and relatives are for. ----- Original Message ----- From: <maaisha@aol.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: [Black Country] Paying in pounds from the U.S. > Hi All, > I am trying to order a will and it seems there is no chance of paying > with a credit or debit card. They want a crossed check in pounds or an > international money order. The post office here sells international money > orders, but only for Canada and Mexico. Has anyone mastered this sort of > thing? Not sure what to do. My bank cannot help. > Frustrated, > Lois in Michigan > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan & Kevin, So sorry to hear about the earthquakes you are still experiencing. We have only had one small earthquake in England as far as I can remember so I can only image what you are going through. It must be very scary. I hope that no damage has been done & you have managed to enjoy Christmas with your family. I expect your grand children are now very much grown up, ours are growing at a very fast rate. We have had a good stay at home Christmas once again as Dawn & the girls have spent it with us. They are staying till the New year. All the family came round on Boxing night which was great. The weather here is very mild, it was forecast a white Christmas but we had sunshine on the big day which felt quite strange although we didn't complain. When you come to England we must try & meet up somewhere. Dawn & the girls went to Warwick castle today which is only about an hour away so perhaps we can meet there. If you need any info that may help with your visit to England let me know & I can email or post it to you. Will send a more detailed email later as it is bed time & we are all so tired. All our very best wishes & good health for the coming year. Love Lynn & George x -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin & Jan Newcombe" <kjnewcombe@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:56 PM To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Black Country] Seasons Greetings > Seasons greetings to you all. > > > > Lots of earthquakes here in amongst beautiful weather. Had some big > earthquakes again in the last few days, a magnitude 6 and few 5s and lots > of > 4 and 3s. Not good, but we are getting used to them now. > > > > I wish you all lots of good will and smiles. > > > > Jan (quaky Christchurch, NZ) > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >