Not sure where to post this, as I really dont know the area to look I am trying to find out where records for students at Douay  College would be held I have the following ancestor a Derbyshire family He was educated at Douay Dominic Pegge, O. P., who died in 1691, aged thirty-five. He was at  St. thomas's Stafford and also would be grateful for any hints tips or information aileen

Lesley would like to recall the message, "[Black Country] 1891/1901 PART LOOK UP PLEASE".

1891 England Census about Williams Whitehouse Name: Williams Whitehouse Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Whitehouse Gender: Male Where born: Tividale Tipton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Oldbury Ecclesiastical parish: Oldbury Town: Oldbury County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street Address: 2 Nelson Street Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Oldbury ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2265 Folio: 101 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Williams Whitehouse 54 Jane Whitehouse 56 1901 England Census about William Whitehouse Name: William Whitehouse Age: 69 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Whitehouse Gender: Male Where born: Tividale, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Oldbury Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street Address: 2 Nelson Street Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Oldbury ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 276 Piece: 2717 Folio: 74 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age William Whitehouse 69 Jane Whitehouse 69 If you contact me direct l_austen@btinternet.com I can send you jpegs

Hi All Will some one check this for me , know I have the census somewhere , but don't seem to have all the correct info on my family tree, I have a William Whitehouse most of the census say he was born Tividale about 1835 ? and his wife Jane born Bilston anything between 1832-1835 from when she got married , I have them on the census but seem to be missing 1891-1901 , but I have a census underneath with them living at Nelson Road but I have no number , and while I have been going throw my notes have found the death of a Moses Franklin dying at home at 2 Nelson Street , Moses was the grandson of William and Jane Whitehouse and my granddad pointed the street out to me when I was little and said he used to live there , but its never been on any on the census , or on my granddads birth cert , Jane Whitehouse died in 1903 and on the 1911 census William was lodging with a Samuel Poe greengrocer of Oldbury This is the census I have but not sure which year or what number can anyone help please Cheers Cassy RG12/. 2265 Folio 101 page 28 Nelson St William aged 54 born Tividale Jane aged 56 born Bilston

Hi All Dave made a real good suggestion a week or two ago but has I hate laptop and it takes me ages to write anything on them so I left it , anyway I have managed to get down to my basement and am on a proper computer , which is great How about everyone telling us about any family tales you have must be plenty out there Think I have told you about this one before but here it goes again , my mother in law told me this one , and she regretted telling me the moment she said about it , but I have more details than I had last time Ann Marie Birch was born West Bromwich about 1865, daughter of William Birch and Elizabeth Blower She married a George Hickman born about March 1859 son of John Hickman and Mary Taylor they got married 1885 at St Johns West Bromwich Ann Marie killed herself in 1908 by hanging herself in the loo and it was stated the balance of her mind was disturbed My mother in law said it was because her husband had gone to war and left someone in charge of there coal business who sent them bankrupt . When I was told about this I had no dates or anything but when I started checking in to things I thought this cant be right one her husband would of been far to old to go into the army and the only death cert I could find that matched was for 1908 which I ordered and it was the correct one , so what was the reason she hanged her self , with the help of Liz , we did managed to sort it out (we think ) this George Henry Hickman was having an affair with this woman and had children by him so that's why she hung herself , my mother in law always said she did it because she was ashamed George Hickman married Mary Hall in 1910 and he abandoned most of his children , who went to live with there older sister Mary at Horton Street West Bromwich , Mary lived at that house in Horton Street till she died in 1970 and her brothers sisters who lived with her where married from that house and some still lived with her after they married , and always kept close to her younger brothers and sisters , in fact my husband used to his Aunt Mary's every day for his dinner till he left school , and used to help her with her job at home doing the bars for electric fires So every one lets hear from you on your family tales Cheers Cassy

Hello Everyone I am looking for information regarding John Potter and Sarah Rudge who married 18 Oct 1824. I believe they are the Parents of my Great Great Grandfather Job Potter. Kind regards Heather Guptill (nee Potter) New Zealand

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 4,067 for Longton, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1908-1912) 2,500 for Shelton, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1894-1897) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

Hi Kerry, I read your Simpson data with interest as I have a Simpson from the Brierly area. Do you have a Alice Harriet Simpson christened 19 Dec 1830 on your family tree? Her parents were Richard Simpson and Ellen Hubbard from Lichfield and then later Colton. Alice Harriet (she used the name Harriet) married John Ruscoe in Walsall in 1854 and their son Joseph Ruscoe was born at Batmans Hill, Brierley. They then emigrated to New Zealand and had a very large family. Let me know if there is a connection to your research. Anne On 3/1/12 4:41 PM, "eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com" <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SIMPSON family tree (kab635@tadaust.org.au) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:41:33 +1000 > From: <kab635@tadaust.org.au> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] SIMPSON family tree > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D85EB72BE3EC4E2DA050F03840717396@user7fadff8f54> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Jim, > Thank you for your posting. > I have traced my gr,grandfather Henry SIMPSON back to his parents Mary > SKELDING and William SIMPSON who were married in Saint George, Birmingham, > Warwick, England. > William was born in the 4Q of 1809 and christened in Brierley Hill - son of > John SIMPSON and Bettey PRICE. > I had a researcher doing some checking for him over in England and found > that John SIMPSON was the son of a Rebecca HILDITCH and John SIMPSON and > that he would have been born c1785 in Brierley Hill. Going back from there > most of the data I have seems to be in the Brierley Hill area. > Wish I was in England to actually view records myself - so much easier than > doing same from Queensland in a very sunny part of Australia at the moment. > Kind regards, Kerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:35 AM > Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Ancestry trees = Access levels (maaisha@aol.com) >> 2. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Jan Rockett) >> 3. Ancestry family tree problems (Rob Griffin) >> 4. Re: Ancestry trees (Jim) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:14:56 -0500 (EST) >> From: maaisha@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CE9780CD32797F-1140-4020B@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Yes, these are the levels of access the tree owner can give to people they >> invite to their tree, but this is only for private trees. There is no >> need to invite anyone to a public tree because they are already public. >> However, only the owner can make real changes to public trees. I think >> anyone can add comments on a particular document on a tree, but the owner >> is notified the comment has been put there, and can remove it, whether >> public or private. >> My own trees are private and I have given Editor permission to my brother. >> If he makes a change I receive an automated message directing me to the >> change. >> It is always a good idea to back up one's work, and print copies are a >> good idea. I have CD copies as well, but technology changes, and this >> might be as useful as an 8 track tape to our descendants. There are >> secure online options, such as Dropbox, that will keep your tree and other >> electronic documents updated out in internet space indefinitely. Some >> space is free, but after a certain amount there is a charge for the >> additional electronic storage. >> Cheers, Lois >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >> To: Louise De-Hayes <louhughes@blueyonder.co.uk>; eng-black-country >> <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:24 am >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels >> >> >> No Louise I have never invited anyone to view my family tree on Ancestry. >> I >> didn't know you could. Thank you for explaining it to me. I still cannot >> understand how a whole section of my tree can be deleted without my >> knowledge. I know the name of the person whose name and ancestors >> replaced >> mine. How can 180 names just be wiped off like that? I have told >> 'Ancestry' >> of my problem so I await their reply. >> >> I was pleased to receive your messages re the SMITH family all those years >> ago. >> Thanks for your help. >> Regards >> Pat >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Louise De-Hayes >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 AM >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels >> >> Pat, >> Just had a thought. Have you ever invited folk to view your 'tree' on >> Ancestry? If so, you need to check how they can operate; there are 3 >> options: editor, contributor or guest. >> >> -Editor: can change and add anything to it. >> -Contributor: can do just that but not alter stuff (I think) >> -Guest: can only view the tree. >> >> Always check what level of access folk can have: a couple of times, I have >> had to change access levels and usually only invite people to mine as >> guests, so at least they can't faff with it. >> >> All the best.... we last communicated some years ago about Frank Smith >> (son >> of Bob who had a shop on Oxford St I believe). >> Louise >> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy New Year everyone. >>>> >>>> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >>>> ?Ancestry?. I >>>> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >>>> crashed >>>> at >>>> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and >>>> poor >>>> eyesight. >>>> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >>>> You >>>> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >>>> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >>>> >>>> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >>>> someone had >>>> >>>> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >>>> this >>>> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >>>> husband?s >>>> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >>>> >>>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >>>> realised that >>>> >>>> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >>>> this >>>> has >>>> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >>>> Regards >>>> Pat. >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run >>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>> ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by >> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to >> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:02:52 -0000 >> From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <482A86B2757C486798ACE427EB13A528@JanTOSH> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Pat, >> I have read through some of the messages and looked at Ancestry and >> wondered >> if you have looked at all the Kerr trees as there are a lot. >> I assume you are on there as Patricia Kerr? There are a lot of these. >> Where >> were you born? and can I have the name of someone on your original tree >> that's not there now? Just a hunch that there is a glitch here. >> >> Jan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward >> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:15 PM >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> >> >> Thanks for your messages, suggestions and support. I have sent a message >> to >> 'Ancestry' to ask how this could happen and asking for their help. >> Years ago they gave my tree the name 'KERR Family Tree' but all entries >> for >> the name KERR, JOLLEY, KINNAIRD, ROSS, WRIGHT and many more had all been >> deleted. >> It was only later that I realised that my husband had been deleted and all >> his ancestor's names. HAYWARD, HALE, GRIFFITHS, HUGHES, HANCOX, DARBY etc >> etc. The more I think about it the more angry I get. >> >> Can you ask that no one changes your tree without your permission? Is that >> possible? >> Regard >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:31:50 -0000 >> From: "Rob Griffin" <rob@griffpost.co.uk> >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry family tree problems >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001001ccc985$2de69020$89b3b060$@griffpost.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Dear All >> >> >> >> I have read the various mails with some degree of alarm since I am just >> coming to the end of a six month trial period with Ancestry. Although I >> have found Ancestry very useful, I am now wary of continuing my >> subscription, perhaps transferring to Find My Past, but would there be >> similar problems there? I have my tree information backed up onto a >> separate hard drive and, as far as I am aware, have not given Ancestry >> permission for my details to go public. >> >> >> >> It must be really frustrating to folks who have worked hard to produce >> trees, then to have them hi-jacked and/or tampered with. >> >> >> >> Rob G >> >> Halesowen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:35:31 -0500 >> From: "Jim" <jabaxter1@frontier.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <0CCBF7784D924FC7B41784AFB1FDCFE2@owner7c03716c1> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> >> >>> "I have had not luck whatsoever in tracing anyone who has direct links to >>> my >>> SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands ......." >> Hi Kerry, >> A Happy New Year to all on the list! >> >> I too have have a problem with my SIMPSON ancestors from the West >> Midlands. >> As far back as I can go is with my gg grandparents THOMAS SIMPSON b abt >> 1807 >> Oldbury, a boatman and HANNAH BIRCH b abt 1810 Oldbury. m 15 Jun 1829 at >> 'The Parish Church Halesowen. witnesses W.SIMPSON and CHARLOTTE SIMPSON." >>> From the 1851 census,they had the following known children: Harriot, >>> Zillah, >> John, Frances, George, and Emily. The first five all I have is their >> christening records. With Emily, my g grandmother, I have her birth >> certificate. >> I suspect the major problem with researching them is that Thomas was a >> boatman. >> Here's hoping YOUR SIMPSONS are MY SIMPSONS....<<<<<G>>>>>>. >> >> Jim >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> >>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:24 AM >>> Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (James P.) >>>> 2. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Marie) >>>> 3. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>>> (maaisha@aol.com) >>>> 4. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Ron Snape) >>>> 5. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >>>> 6. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >>>> 7. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Kathryne Natale) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:41:58 -0800 >>>> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>>> Issue 2 >>>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3633D8E4F3E357F9B17958A1900@phx.gbl> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>>> sell >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>>> details >>>> as >>>> we go along. >>>> >>>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>>> >>>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>>> found >>>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>>> was >>>> little information. >>>> >>>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:53:05 -0600 >>>> From: "Marie" <omamarie@kc.rr.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >>>> 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <699AF465F1194A63B63440545AE1567B@DriscollPC> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did >>>> that >>>> to >>>> see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, >>>> but >>>> when I clicked it again they all reappeared. >>>> >>>> Marie >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>>> Issue >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>>>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>>>> sell >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>>>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>>>> details >>>>> as >>>>> we go along. >>>>> >>>>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and >>>>> ask >>>>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>>>> >>>>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>>>> found >>>>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>>>> was >>>>> little information. >>>>> >>>>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>>>> Run >>>>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>>>> ****************************** >>>>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>>>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>>>> ARCHIVED >>>>> MATERIALS. >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) >>>> From: maaisha@aol.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >>>> 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <8CE96DECDE0DBE0-7F8-4ABF5@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors >>>> others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing >>>> windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information >>>> would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the >>>> trees, >>>> and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to >>>> their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy >>>> the >>>> erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at >>>> it. >>>> Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I >>>> need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record >>>> collection. >>>> I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and >>>> attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the >>>> hereafter. :) >>>> Regards, >>>> Lois >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>>> Issue >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>>> sell >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>>> details >>>> as >>>> we go along. >>>> >>>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>>> >>>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>>> found >>>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>>> was >>>> little information. >>>> >>>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>>> Run >>>> by >>>> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>>> ****************************** >>>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>>> apply to >>>> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >>>> MATERIALS. >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>>> body >>>> of >>>> the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) >>>> From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <memo.20120101213312.4964B@snape.cix.co.uk> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> Hallo Pat. >>>> >>>> Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because >>>> of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared >>>> information previously. >>>> >>>> Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems >>>> professional, >>>> it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred >>>> here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly >>>> someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the >>>> surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, >>>> accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than >>>> to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there >>>> would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the >>>> software >>>> design). >>>> >>>>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family >>>> >>>> Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with >>>> another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and >>>> continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is >>>> vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to >>>> identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable >>>> fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have >>>> common >>>> ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!). >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:56:43 +0000 >>>> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAGCXaJWsKJrhY+wkuaWdERhTDO_+=+rRzn85Efjg2Wd3o5kSQQ@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted >>>> it >>>> and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published >>>> photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was >>>> `by >>>> courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as >>>> their >>>> own work. One of them even published my former email address for people >>>> to >>>> contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your >>>> leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their >>>> cheek, I decided to say nothing. >>>> >>>> As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that >>>> it`s >>>> in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the >>>> information, >>>> it belongs to them. >>>> >>>> A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key >>>> thing, >>>> is to remember to update it regularly. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Val >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:06:59 +0000 >>>> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAGCXaJXDOE2TQpKZRhp-xMp5s2UOrSpa86r_mC1=hokagXFQcw@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told >>>> by >>>> my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I >>>> know >>>> that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church >>>> army` >>>> is another name for Evangelist. >>>> >>>> I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her >>>> married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have >>>> made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. >>>> >>>> Has sks any ideas please? >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Val >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 7 >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) >>>> From: Kathryne Natale <momnat@aol.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <8CE96EB3AF5647E-24A8-61FE7@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - >>>> I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I >>>> would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law >>>> who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put >>>> online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and >>>> no >>>> reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my >>>> documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or >>>> thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well >>>> documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the >>>> connection >>>> between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know >>>> hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me >>>> even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every >>>> source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as >>>> I >>>> have periods of forced time away from research. I recen! >>>> tly found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to >>>> yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later >>>> information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier >>>> generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or >>>> contact >>>> them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't >>>> searched online. I have done further research on this line. >>>> >>>> >>>> As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going >>>> to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had >>>> been >>>> considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone >>>> else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? >>>> Not >>>> sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need >>>> to decide right now. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kathryne Natale >>>> momnat@aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am >>>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> . >>>> >>>> Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once >>>> with >>>> someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited >>>> access by >>>> other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, >>>> with >>>> errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct >>>> errors, >>>> but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave >>>> their >>>> errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it >>>> as >>>> a red >>>> flag. >>>> If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be >>>> downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They >>>> can also >>>> directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is >>>> private it >>>> cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you >>>> have in >>>> a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a >>>> probable >>>> match, and contact information. They can then write to you through >>>> Ancestry >>>> (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I >>>> must >>>> say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private >>>> submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, >>>> claiming >>>> the >>>> records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public >>>> records >>>> of my >>>> grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as >>>> names >>>> of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by >>>> stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect >>>> for >>>> such >>>> people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't >>>> understand what >>>> their goal is. >>>> As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry >>>> for the >>>> reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all >>>> worried >>>> about >>>> my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, >>>> and >>>> keep >>>> that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of >>>> I >>>> don't >>>> know what). Just keep your tree private. >>>> You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your >>>> information. >>>> I do >>>> recommend a private tree on Ancestry. >>>> To a Happy and Better New Year! >>>> Lois in Michigan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >>>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >>>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy New Year everyone. >>>> >>>> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >>>> ?Ancestry?. I >>>> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >>>> crashed >>>> at >>>> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and >>>> poor >>>> eyesight. >>>> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >>>> You >>>> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >>>> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >>>> >>>> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >>>> someone had >>>> >>>> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >>>> this >>>> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >>>> husband?s >>>> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >>>> >>>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >>>> realised that >>>> >>>> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >>>> this >>>> has >>>> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >>>> Regards >>>> Pat. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>>> Run >>>> by >>>> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>>> ****************************** >>>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>>> apply to >>>> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >>>> MATERIALS. >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>>> body >>>> of >>>> the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to >>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email >>>> to >>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>>> body >>>> of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>>> >>>> >>>> End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 >>>> *********************************************** >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run >>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>> ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4716 - Release Date: 01/01/12 >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 >> *********************************************** >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7 > ***********************************************

Hi Jim, Thank you for your posting. I have traced my gr,grandfather Henry SIMPSON back to his parents Mary SKELDING and William SIMPSON who were married in Saint George, Birmingham, Warwick, England. William was born in the 4Q of 1809 and christened in Brierley Hill - son of John SIMPSON and Bettey PRICE. I had a researcher doing some checking for him over in England and found that John SIMPSON was the son of a Rebecca HILDITCH and John SIMPSON and that he would have been born c1785 in Brierley Hill. Going back from there most of the data I have seems to be in the Brierley Hill area. Wish I was in England to actually view records myself - so much easier than doing same from Queensland in a very sunny part of Australia at the moment. Kind regards, Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:35 AM Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ancestry trees = Access levels (maaisha@aol.com) > 2. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Jan Rockett) > 3. Ancestry family tree problems (Rob Griffin) > 4. Re: Ancestry trees (Jim) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:14:56 -0500 (EST) > From: maaisha@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE9780CD32797F-1140-4020B@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, these are the levels of access the tree owner can give to people they > invite to their tree, but this is only for private trees. There is no > need to invite anyone to a public tree because they are already public. > However, only the owner can make real changes to public trees. I think > anyone can add comments on a particular document on a tree, but the owner > is notified the comment has been put there, and can remove it, whether > public or private. > My own trees are private and I have given Editor permission to my brother. > If he makes a change I receive an automated message directing me to the > change. > It is always a good idea to back up one's work, and print copies are a > good idea. I have CD copies as well, but technology changes, and this > might be as useful as an 8 track tape to our descendants. There are > secure online options, such as Dropbox, that will keep your tree and other > electronic documents updated out in internet space indefinitely. Some > space is free, but after a certain amount there is a charge for the > additional electronic storage. > Cheers, Lois > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> > To: Louise De-Hayes <louhughes@blueyonder.co.uk>; eng-black-country > <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:24 am > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels > > > No Louise I have never invited anyone to view my family tree on Ancestry. > I > didn't know you could. Thank you for explaining it to me. I still cannot > understand how a whole section of my tree can be deleted without my > knowledge. I know the name of the person whose name and ancestors > replaced > mine. How can 180 names just be wiped off like that? I have told > 'Ancestry' > of my problem so I await their reply. > > I was pleased to receive your messages re the SMITH family all those years > ago. > Thanks for your help. > Regards > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louise De-Hayes > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 AM > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels > > Pat, > Just had a thought. Have you ever invited folk to view your 'tree' on > Ancestry? If so, you need to check how they can operate; there are 3 > options: editor, contributor or guest. > > -Editor: can change and add anything to it. > -Contributor: can do just that but not alter stuff (I think) > -Guest: can only view the tree. > > Always check what level of access folk can have: a couple of times, I have > had to change access levels and usually only invite people to mine as > guests, so at least they can't faff with it. > > All the best.... we last communicated some years ago about Frank Smith > (son > of Bob who had a shop on Oxford St I believe). > Louise > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>> >>> >>> Happy New Year everyone. >>> >>> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >>> ?Ancestry?. I >>> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >>> crashed >>> at >>> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and >>> poor >>> eyesight. >>> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >>> You >>> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >>> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >>> >>> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >>> someone had >>> >>> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >>> this >>> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >>> husband?s >>> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >>> >>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >>> realised that >>> >>> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >>> this >>> has >>> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >>> Regards >>> Pat. > >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by > Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to > your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:02:52 -0000 > From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <482A86B2757C486798ACE427EB13A528@JanTOSH> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Pat, > I have read through some of the messages and looked at Ancestry and > wondered > if you have looked at all the Kerr trees as there are a lot. > I assume you are on there as Patricia Kerr? There are a lot of these. > Where > were you born? and can I have the name of someone on your original tree > that's not there now? Just a hunch that there is a glitch here. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Hayward > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:15 PM > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > > > Thanks for your messages, suggestions and support. I have sent a message > to > 'Ancestry' to ask how this could happen and asking for their help. > Years ago they gave my tree the name 'KERR Family Tree' but all entries > for > the name KERR, JOLLEY, KINNAIRD, ROSS, WRIGHT and many more had all been > deleted. > It was only later that I realised that my husband had been deleted and all > his ancestor's names. HAYWARD, HALE, GRIFFITHS, HUGHES, HANCOX, DARBY etc > etc. The more I think about it the more angry I get. > > Can you ask that no one changes your tree without your permission? Is that > possible? > Regard > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:31:50 -0000 > From: "Rob Griffin" <rob@griffpost.co.uk> > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry family tree problems > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001001ccc985$2de69020$89b3b060$@griffpost.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear All > > > > I have read the various mails with some degree of alarm since I am just > coming to the end of a six month trial period with Ancestry. Although I > have found Ancestry very useful, I am now wary of continuing my > subscription, perhaps transferring to Find My Past, but would there be > similar problems there? I have my tree information backed up onto a > separate hard drive and, as far as I am aware, have not given Ancestry > permission for my details to go public. > > > > It must be really frustrating to folks who have worked hard to produce > trees, then to have them hi-jacked and/or tampered with. > > > > Rob G > > Halesowen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:35:31 -0500 > From: "Jim" <jabaxter1@frontier.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0CCBF7784D924FC7B41784AFB1FDCFE2@owner7c03716c1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > >> "I have had not luck whatsoever in tracing anyone who has direct links to >> my >> SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands ......." > Hi Kerry, > A Happy New Year to all on the list! > > I too have have a problem with my SIMPSON ancestors from the West > Midlands. > As far back as I can go is with my gg grandparents THOMAS SIMPSON b abt > 1807 > Oldbury, a boatman and HANNAH BIRCH b abt 1810 Oldbury. m 15 Jun 1829 at > 'The Parish Church Halesowen. witnesses W.SIMPSON and CHARLOTTE SIMPSON." >>From the 1851 census,they had the following known children: Harriot, >>Zillah, > John, Frances, George, and Emily. The first five all I have is their > christening records. With Emily, my g grandmother, I have her birth > certificate. > I suspect the major problem with researching them is that Thomas was a > boatman. > Here's hoping YOUR SIMPSONS are MY SIMPSONS....<<<<<G>>>>>>. > > Jim > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:24 AM >> Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 >> >> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (James P.) >>> 2. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Marie) >>> 3. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>> (maaisha@aol.com) >>> 4. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Ron Snape) >>> 5. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >>> 6. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >>> 7. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Kathryne Natale) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:41:58 -0800 >>> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>> Issue 2 >>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3633D8E4F3E357F9B17958A1900@phx.gbl> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>> sell >>> it. >>> >>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>> details >>> as >>> we go along. >>> >>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>> >>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>> found >>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>> was >>> little information. >>> >>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:53:05 -0600 >>> From: "Marie" <omamarie@kc.rr.com> >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >>> 7, Issue 2 >>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <699AF465F1194A63B63440545AE1567B@DriscollPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did >>> that >>> to >>> see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, >>> but >>> when I clicked it again they all reappeared. >>> >>> Marie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM >>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>> Issue >>> 2 >>> >>> >>>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>>> sell >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>>> details >>>> as >>>> we go along. >>>> >>>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and >>>> ask >>>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>>> >>>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>>> found >>>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>>> was >>>> little information. >>>> >>>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>>> Run >>>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>>> ****************************** >>>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>>> ARCHIVED >>>> MATERIALS. >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) >>> From: maaisha@aol.com >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >>> 7, Issue 2 >>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <8CE96DECDE0DBE0-7F8-4ABF5@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors >>> others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing >>> windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information >>> would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the >>> trees, >>> and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to >>> their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy >>> the >>> erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at >>> it. >>> Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I >>> need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record >>> collection. >>> I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and >>> attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the >>> hereafter. :) >>> Regards, >>> Lois >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am >>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >>> Issue >>> 2 >>> >>> >>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>> sell >>> it. >>> >>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>> details >>> as >>> we go along. >>> >>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>> >>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>> found >>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>> was >>> little information. >>> >>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run >>> by >>> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to >>> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of >>> the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) >>> From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <memo.20120101213312.4964B@snape.cix.co.uk> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Hallo Pat. >>> >>> Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because >>> of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared >>> information previously. >>> >>> Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems >>> professional, >>> it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred >>> here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly >>> someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the >>> surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, >>> accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than >>> to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there >>> would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the >>> software >>> design). >>> >>>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family >>> >>> Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with >>> another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and >>> continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is >>> vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to >>> identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable >>> fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have >>> common >>> ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!). >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:56:43 +0000 >>> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAGCXaJWsKJrhY+wkuaWdERhTDO_+=+rRzn85Efjg2Wd3o5kSQQ@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted >>> it >>> and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published >>> photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was >>> `by >>> courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as >>> their >>> own work. One of them even published my former email address for people >>> to >>> contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your >>> leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their >>> cheek, I decided to say nothing. >>> >>> As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that >>> it`s >>> in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the >>> information, >>> it belongs to them. >>> >>> A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key >>> thing, >>> is to remember to update it regularly. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Val >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:06:59 +0000 >>> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAGCXaJXDOE2TQpKZRhp-xMp5s2UOrSpa86r_mC1=hokagXFQcw@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told >>> by >>> my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I >>> know >>> that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church >>> army` >>> is another name for Evangelist. >>> >>> I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her >>> married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have >>> made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. >>> >>> Has sks any ideas please? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Val >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) >>> From: Kathryne Natale <momnat@aol.com> >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <8CE96EB3AF5647E-24A8-61FE7@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - >>> I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I >>> would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law >>> who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put >>> online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and >>> no >>> reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my >>> documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or >>> thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well >>> documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the >>> connection >>> between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know >>> hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me >>> even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every >>> source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as >>> I >>> have periods of forced time away from research. I recen! >>> tly found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to >>> yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later >>> information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier >>> generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or >>> contact >>> them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't >>> searched online. I have done further research on this line. >>> >>> >>> As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going >>> to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had >>> been >>> considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone >>> else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? >>> Not >>> sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need >>> to decide right now. >>> >>> >>> Kathryne Natale >>> momnat@aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> >>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am >>> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>> . >>> >>> Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once >>> with >>> someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited >>> access by >>> other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, >>> with >>> errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct >>> errors, >>> but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave >>> their >>> errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it >>> as >>> a red >>> flag. >>> If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be >>> downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They >>> can also >>> directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is >>> private it >>> cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you >>> have in >>> a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a >>> probable >>> match, and contact information. They can then write to you through >>> Ancestry >>> (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I >>> must >>> say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private >>> submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, >>> claiming >>> the >>> records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public >>> records >>> of my >>> grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as >>> names >>> of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by >>> stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect >>> for >>> such >>> people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't >>> understand what >>> their goal is. >>> As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry >>> for the >>> reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all >>> worried >>> about >>> my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, >>> and >>> keep >>> that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of >>> I >>> don't >>> know what). Just keep your tree private. >>> You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your >>> information. >>> I do >>> recommend a private tree on Ancestry. >>> To a Happy and Better New Year! >>> Lois in Michigan >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >>> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >>> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >>> >>> >>> Happy New Year everyone. >>> >>> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >>> ?Ancestry?. I >>> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >>> crashed >>> at >>> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and >>> poor >>> eyesight. >>> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >>> You >>> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >>> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >>> >>> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >>> someone had >>> >>> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >>> this >>> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >>> husband?s >>> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >>> >>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >>> realised that >>> >>> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >>> this >>> has >>> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >>> Regards >>> Pat. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run >>> by >>> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to >>> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of >>> the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email >>> to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 >>> *********************************************** >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4716 - Release Date: 01/01/12 >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 > *********************************************** >

> only the owner can make real changes to public trees. But who actually is the owner once the Ancestry subscription has lapsed? It seems unlikely that the original owner can expect to have free storage facilities indefinitely without paying for them. I have no experience of Ancestry myself; I keep: photostats of the original documents (or GRO copies), SOG handwritten index cards (still!), an electronic version on Ancestral Quest (at home) backed up at home as part of my general data security back-ups(not just the genealogical stuff). I used to hold the back-ups on floppies, then on diskettes and now on an ordinary USB memory stick. I am rather puzzled as to why anyone would load information onto Ancestry unless there was a general intention to grant access(?). Ron S

> "I have had not luck whatsoever in tracing anyone who has direct links to > my > SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands ......." Hi Kerry, A Happy New Year to all on the list! I too have have a problem with my SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands. As far back as I can go is with my gg grandparents THOMAS SIMPSON b abt 1807 Oldbury, a boatman and HANNAH BIRCH b abt 1810 Oldbury. m 15 Jun 1829 at 'The Parish Church Halesowen. witnesses W.SIMPSON and CHARLOTTE SIMPSON." >From the 1851 census,they had the following known children: Harriot, Zillah, John, Frances, George, and Emily. The first five all I have is their christening records. With Emily, my g grandmother, I have her birth certificate. I suspect the major problem with researching them is that Thomas was a boatman. Here's hoping YOUR SIMPSONS are MY SIMPSONS....<<<<<G>>>>>>. Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:24 AM > Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (James P.) >> 2. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Marie) >> 3. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> (maaisha@aol.com) >> 4. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Ron Snape) >> 5. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >> 6. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) >> 7. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Kathryne Natale) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:41:58 -0800 >> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >> Issue 2 >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3633D8E4F3E357F9B17958A1900@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >> sell >> it. >> >> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details >> as >> we go along. >> >> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >> >> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >> found >> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was >> little information. >> >> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:53:05 -0600 >> From: "Marie" <omamarie@kc.rr.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >> 7, Issue 2 >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <699AF465F1194A63B63440545AE1567B@DriscollPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did that >> to >> see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, >> but >> when I clicked it again they all reappeared. >> >> Marie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >> Issue >> 2 >> >> >>> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >>> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >>> sell >>> it. >>> >>> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >>> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding >>> details >>> as >>> we go along. >>> >>> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >>> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >>> >>> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >>> found >>> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there >>> was >>> little information. >>> >>> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run >>> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>> ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) >> From: maaisha@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol >> 7, Issue 2 >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CE96DECDE0DBE0-7F8-4ABF5@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors >> others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing >> windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information >> would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the trees, >> and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to >> their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy >> the >> erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at >> it. >> Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I >> need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record >> collection. >> I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and >> attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the >> hereafter. :) >> Regards, >> Lois >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, >> Issue >> 2 >> >> >> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >> sell >> it. >> >> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details >> as >> we go along. >> >> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >> >> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >> found >> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was >> little information. >> >> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by >> Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to >> your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) >> From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <memo.20120101213312.4964B@snape.cix.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hallo Pat. >> >> Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because >> of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared >> information previously. >> >> Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems professional, >> it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred >> here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly >> someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the >> surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, >> accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than >> to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there >> would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the software >> design). >> >>> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family >> >> Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with >> another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and >> continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is >> vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to >> identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable >> fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have common >> ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!). >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:56:43 +0000 >> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAGCXaJWsKJrhY+wkuaWdERhTDO_+=+rRzn85Efjg2Wd3o5kSQQ@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi, >> >> I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted >> it >> and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published >> photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was `by >> courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as their >> own work. One of them even published my former email address for people >> to >> contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your >> leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their >> cheek, I decided to say nothing. >> >> As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that it`s >> in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the >> information, >> it belongs to them. >> >> A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key >> thing, >> is to remember to update it regularly. >> >> Regards >> >> Val >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:06:59 +0000 >> From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAGCXaJXDOE2TQpKZRhp-xMp5s2UOrSpa86r_mC1=hokagXFQcw@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi, >> >> My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told >> by >> my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I >> know >> that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church >> army` >> is another name for Evangelist. >> >> I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her >> married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have >> made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. >> >> Has sks any ideas please? >> >> thanks >> >> Val >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) >> From: Kathryne Natale <momnat@aol.com> >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CE96EB3AF5647E-24A8-61FE7@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - >> I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I >> would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law >> who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put >> online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and >> no >> reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my >> documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or >> thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well >> documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the >> connection >> between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know >> hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me >> even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every >> source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as I >> have periods of forced time away from research. I recen! >> tly found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to >> yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later >> information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier >> generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or contact >> them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't >> searched online. I have done further research on this line. >> >> >> As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going >> to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had been >> considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone >> else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? >> Not >> sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need >> to decide right now. >> >> >> Kathryne Natale >> momnat@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> . >> >> Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once >> with >> someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited >> access by >> other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, >> with >> errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct >> errors, >> but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave >> their >> errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it as >> a red >> flag. >> If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be >> downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They >> can also >> directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is >> private it >> cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you >> have in >> a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a >> probable >> match, and contact information. They can then write to you through >> Ancestry >> (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I >> must >> say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private >> submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, >> claiming >> the >> records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public >> records >> of my >> grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as >> names >> of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by >> stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect >> for >> such >> people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't >> understand what >> their goal is. >> As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry >> for the >> reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all worried >> about >> my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, >> and >> keep >> that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of I >> don't >> know what). Just keep your tree private. >> You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your information. >> I do >> recommend a private tree on Ancestry. >> To a Happy and Better New Year! >> Lois in Michigan >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >> ?Ancestry?. I >> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >> crashed >> at >> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor >> eyesight. >> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >> You >> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >> >> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >> someone had >> >> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >> this >> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >> husband?s >> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >> >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >> realised that >> >> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >> this >> has >> certainly sent my temperature up. 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Dear All I have read the various mails with some degree of alarm since I am just coming to the end of a six month trial period with Ancestry. Although I have found Ancestry very useful, I am now wary of continuing my subscription, perhaps transferring to Find My Past, but would there be similar problems there? I have my tree information backed up onto a separate hard drive and, as far as I am aware, have not given Ancestry permission for my details to go public. It must be really frustrating to folks who have worked hard to produce trees, then to have them hi-jacked and/or tampered with. Rob G Halesowen

Pat, I have read through some of the messages and looked at Ancestry and wondered if you have looked at all the Kerr trees as there are a lot. I assume you are on there as Patricia Kerr? There are a lot of these. Where were you born? and can I have the name of someone on your original tree that's not there now? Just a hunch that there is a glitch here. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Pat Hayward Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:15 PM To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked Thanks for your messages, suggestions and support. I have sent a message to 'Ancestry' to ask how this could happen and asking for their help. Years ago they gave my tree the name 'KERR Family Tree' but all entries for the name KERR, JOLLEY, KINNAIRD, ROSS, WRIGHT and many more had all been deleted. It was only later that I realised that my husband had been deleted and all his ancestor's names. HAYWARD, HALE, GRIFFITHS, HUGHES, HANCOX, DARBY etc etc. The more I think about it the more angry I get. Can you ask that no one changes your tree without your permission? Is that possible? Regard ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat: Is it possible that this distant relative simply entered a tree of their own, copying from your tree the ancestry common to you both? If your tree were then deleted somehow, then it could look as if they'd changed yours when really they hadn't. Paul On 2 January 2012 12:24, Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> wrote: > No Louise I have never invited anyone to view my family tree on Ancestry. I > didn't know you could. Thank you for explaining it to me. I still cannot > understand how a whole section of my tree can be deleted without my > knowledge. I know the name of the person whose name and ancestors replaced > mine. How can 180 names just be wiped off like that? I have told > 'Ancestry' > of my problem so I await their reply. > > I was pleased to receive your messages re the SMITH family all those years > ago. > Thanks for your help. > Regards > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louise De-Hayes > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 AM > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels > > Pat, > Just had a thought. Have you ever invited folk to view your 'tree' on > Ancestry? If so, you need to check how they can operate; there are 3 > options: editor, contributor or guest. > > -Editor: can change and add anything to it. > -Contributor: can do just that but not alter stuff (I think) > -Guest: can only view the tree. > > Always check what level of access folk can have: a couple of times, I have > had to change access levels and usually only invite people to mine as > guests, so at least they can't faff with it. > > All the best.... we last communicated some years ago about Frank Smith > (son > of Bob who had a shop on Oxford St I believe). > Louise > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> > >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am > >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > >> > >> > >> Happy New Year everyone. > >> > >> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to > >> ?Ancestry?. I > >> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer > >> crashed > >> at > >> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and > poor > >> eyesight. > >> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do > >> You > >> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of > >> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. > >> > >> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that > >> someone had > >> > >> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to > >> this > >> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my > >> husband?s > >> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. > >> > >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then > >> realised that > >> > >> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and > >> this > >> has > >> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? > >> Regards > >> Pat. > > > > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run > > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this and really sympathise, as I know this will not have made it a good start to your year. I'm not sure that I've fully understood what you're seeing when you try to look at your own tree on Ancestry. If Ancestry is still recognising you as a former subscriber, I think I'm right in saying your original tree should still be there, as this is what I found with my own tree after missing a few months subscription. That may however not be the case for anyone who hasn't subscribed for a longer period. In terms of what may actually have happened, I can only really reiterate what others have already said in their replies. I made the mistake of making my tree on Ancestry public to start with, and soon started to find instances of others taking chunks wholesale (including photos) and importing the information to their own tree - sometimes with "corrections" (actually errors) of their own, which they'd obviously taken from alternative versions posted by others who evidently haven't had the benefit of access to original documentary sources. I then made my tree private, but the damage had already been done. I have also since made it available to a very few individuals whom I've thought were genuine, but it is just so difficult to be sure, and there is nothing to stop them from then incorporating your information in their own public trees. My Hancox, Jeavons, Darby research has fallen victim to one person in particular in the USA who I have since found is constantly in the habit of taking whatever she pleases with no regard whatsoever for where or with whom it originates, so that her own tree is now a completely scrambled mess of dual inclusions with conflicting dates, etc. It would take a lifetime to unscramble it. She has also taken and incorporated some of my Hall family information, which is actually of no real connection to her! In your own case, what Louise De-Hayes has said makes sense, in that when inviting people to view private trees on Ancestry, it is possible to restrict their activity to either contributing or just viewing, rather than editing, so I do wonder if the latter has happened to your tree? As far as correcting what others have shown on their trees, besides contacting the member directly (who may choose to ignore your correspondence) it is also possible to leave comments on individual pages for people in their trees. I have done this in a couple of cases where I knew they'd got incorrect information and in one case where they'd attached my Higgs ancestor to a completely erroneous tree in a different part of the country. These comments remain there for all to see, so it is then up to the tree owners to respond and for others to check their information and sources carefully. But I think this is all we can realistically expect when we put our family trees online. As it happens, I have since found the evidence for my own early 19th Jeavons connections to be suspect (due to finding a hitherto unknown infant burial for a child of Abraham Jeavons at Sedgley - Jeavons researchers take note!). I'm now not going to tell anybody any more than that about it, other than to look at Sedgley parish registers and form their own judgement. I apologise if that makes me sound a bit mean. I'm all for sharing information but there are too many people with no integrity out there (mostly on Ancestry it seems) who have no way or perhaps interest in backing up the information they find online. Hoping your bronchitis clears up soon and that in other respects you have a good New Year. Best wishes Carl

No Louise I have never invited anyone to view my family tree on Ancestry. I didn't know you could. Thank you for explaining it to me. I still cannot understand how a whole section of my tree can be deleted without my knowledge. I know the name of the person whose name and ancestors replaced mine. How can 180 names just be wiped off like that? I have told 'Ancestry' of my problem so I await their reply. I was pleased to receive your messages re the SMITH family all those years ago. Thanks for your help. Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: Louise De-Hayes Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 AM To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels Pat, Just had a thought. Have you ever invited folk to view your 'tree' on Ancestry? If so, you need to check how they can operate; there are 3 options: editor, contributor or guest. -Editor: can change and add anything to it. -Contributor: can do just that but not alter stuff (I think) -Guest: can only view the tree. Always check what level of access folk can have: a couple of times, I have had to change access levels and usually only invite people to mine as guests, so at least they can't faff with it. All the best.... we last communicated some years ago about Frank Smith (son of Bob who had a shop on Oxford St I believe). Louise >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >> ?Ancestry?. I >> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >> crashed >> at >> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor >> eyesight. >> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >> You >> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >> >> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >> someone had >> >> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >> this >> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >> husband?s >> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >> >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >> realised that >> >> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >> this >> has >> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >> Regards >> Pat. > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi to one and all and a very Happy New Year too. I have learnt so much from readying all the data about trees on ancestry - much of it I was not aware of and so I say a big thank you to those who submitted it. I always email a submitter before using the information that may appear to match that on my tree and then double and triple check to see if my data agrees with theirs. I have had not luck whatsoever in tracing anyone who has direct links to my SIMPSON ancestors from the West Midlands and so I must confess that I take the opportunity to publish at any chance that I can. As for deleting other people's names on trees, etc., I would not have a clue how and certainly do not want to know nor have the time to do so. Too busy with the correct information. Regards, Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (James P.) > 2. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Marie) > 3. Re: Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > (maaisha@aol.com) > 4. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Ron Snape) > 5. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) > 6. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Val Clifford) > 7. Re: Ancestry tree hijacked (Kathryne Natale) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:41:58 -0800 > From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, > Issue 2 > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3633D8E4F3E357F9B17958A1900@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. > You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they > sell > it. > > I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to > establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details > as > we go along. > > I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask > that they agree to not publish on public lists. > > Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and > found > information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was > little information. > > I did not, and will not correct the listing. > > James > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:53:05 -0600 > From: "Marie" <omamarie@kc.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol > 7, Issue 2 > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <699AF465F1194A63B63440545AE1567B@DriscollPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Make sure under "File" that it isn't marked "privitize". I just did that > to > see what it would do and it deletes all the living people's statistics, > but > when I clicked it again they all reappeared. > > Marie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James P." <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:41 PM > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue > 2 > > >> Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. >> You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they >> sell >> it. >> >> I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to >> establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details >> as >> we go along. >> >> I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask >> that they agree to not publish on public lists. >> >> Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and >> found >> information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was >> little information. >> >> I did not, and will not correct the listing. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) > From: maaisha@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol > 7, Issue 2 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE96DECDE0DBE0-7F8-4ABF5@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, James, I agree with you that you cannot go around fixing errors > others have made when copying your research. That would be chasing > windmills. If people made their Ancestry trees private the information > would not be there to grab. Ancestry does not actually "sell" the trees, > and members can delete them at any time. What they sell is access to > their records, including member public trees. If anyone wants to copy the > erroneous information on my family posted by copiers, let them have at it. > Copied research is of no value to me, so I don't look at other trees. I > need to confirm records myself. They do have an impressive record > collection. > I did let a family photograph out, which has now been copied and > attributed to the wrong person. I think I am in for a scolding in the > hereafter. :) > Regards, > Lois > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James P. <jasgenea@sympatico.ca> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 10:38 am > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry : ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue > 2 > > > Another problem with Ancestry. This has been going on for years. > You do the research, include family details, post to Ancestry and they > sell > it. > > I contact researchers of my families directly, provide a few details to > establish authenticity, and then correspond back and forth adding details > as > we go along. > > I advise contacts that I do not publish to Ancestry, or similar, and ask > that they agree to not publish on public lists. > > Having said that, I checked Ancestry once, not supplying details, and > found > information on my maternal side which was incorrect. Thankfully there was > little information. > > I did not, and will not correct the listing. > > James > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by > Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to > your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <memo.20120101213312.4964B@snape.cix.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hallo Pat. > > Like yourself, I have not been researching for a couple of years because > of personal circumstances. But I do recollect that you and I have shared > information previously. > > Looking at this from the perspective of a computing systems professional, > it seems at first glance that some sort of processing error has occurred > here, rather than that someone has tried to steal your tree. Possibly > someone copying across your data en bloc and then deleting all the > surplus that did not apply to their own lines. And then, perhaps, > accidentally storing the "new" tree over your existing tree rather than > to a new file. The system should not, obviously, allow this, so there > would have to have been a bug in the software (or a fault in the software > design). > >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family > > Have a care here! You don't want to get into some sort of conflict with > another researcher, both claiming ownership of the same tree and > continually overwriting each other's updates. I can see that this is > vexing for you, but it seems to me that your best plan is to try to > identify this other person and then open a conversation in an amicable > fashion. It is clearly in both your interests, given that you have common > ancestry, to try to proceed in a co-operative fashion. > > Regards, > > Ron Snape (and all the best for the New Year!). > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:56:43 +0000 > From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAGCXaJWsKJrhY+wkuaWdERhTDO_+=+rRzn85Efjg2Wd3o5kSQQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > I have sent my entire tree to four people at their request. One accepted > it > and I`ve never heard from her since, not even thanks. One published > photographs that I`d donated but had the manners to state that it was `by > courtesy of` me, but two of the cheeky beggars have published it as their > own work. One of them even published my former email address for people to > contact if they wanted further information, without so much as a by your > leave !! I later discovered a couple of errors in my tree, but for their > cheek, I decided to say nothing. > > As regards Ancestry, I`m not 100% sure, but I think you`ll find that it`s > in their terms and conditions that once you have uploaded the information, > it belongs to them. > > A safe way to save your information is to burn it onto a CD. The key > thing, > is to remember to update it regularly. > > Regards > > Val > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:06:59 +0000 > From: Val Clifford <valpclifford@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAGCXaJXDOE2TQpKZRhp-xMp5s2UOrSpa86r_mC1=hokagXFQcw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told > by > my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I know > that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church > army` > is another name for Evangelist. > > I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her > married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have > made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. > > Has sks any ideas please? > > thanks > > Val > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) > From: Kathryne Natale <momnat@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE96EB3AF5647E-24A8-61FE7@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I too shared my research that I spent years doing with a distant inlaw - > I was visiting my grandmother's elderly first cousin and he asked if I > would share my research with his wife's first husband's daughter in law > who was also doing research. Well, I was trusting. My work was put > online - she had done no research herself - with incorrect changes and no > reference to my contribution whatsoever or any references at all to my > documented sources. I had mailed it to her and she never responded or > thanked me in any way. The first five generations had been pretty well > documented for years but I am the one that was able to make the connection > between the old and the new. I dug up information from archives I know > hasn't seen the light of day for ages. I credited everyone who helped me > even though I later checked all sources and found new ones, and every > source I found, even when I have dropped the ball with some contacts as I > have periods of forced time away from research. I recen! > tly found the same ancestor (my ggg grandfather) incorrectly attached to > yet someone else's family on Ancestry. They had no spouse or later > information, only his siblings and parents and not the four earlier > generations. I am chagrined but I am not going to correct this or contact > them either. I have no idea where else the various versions are, haven't > searched online. I have done further research on this line. > > > As to my putting this line on Ancestry, I don't know yet what I am going > to do. I wanted to leave my research to a library or society but had been > considering Ancestry for all the reasons everyone states. But if someone > else has posted my research and put their name on it is it now theirs? Not > sure what to do, but I have lots more work to do so I guess I don't need > to decide right now. > > > Kathryne Natale > momnat@aol.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: maaisha <maaisha@aol.com> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 8:53 am > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > . > > Pat, I'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you. I shared mine once > with > someone who said it would be kept private at her website with limited > access by > other surname researchers. I soon found it published, and worse yet, with > errors added in and attributed to me. I was offered a chance to correct > errors, > but decided it was a better commentary on this person's work to leave > their > errors on their site, hoping honest researchers will notice and see it as > a red > flag. > If a tree on Ancestry is public, the entire tree, or parts of it, can be > downloaded to any member's computer, then uploaded to their site. They > can also > directly import small sections of your tree. If an Ancestry tree is > private it > cannot be downloaded by others. If someone is researching a person you > have in > a private tree on Ancestry, they will be given a "hint" that you have a > probable > match, and contact information. They can then write to you through > Ancestry > (they are not given your email), and ask if you are willing to share. I > must > say there is a person who has copied my tree from that original private > submission, has been asked to take it down, and refuses to do so, claiming > the > records are public. I feel that although perhaps there are public records > of my > grandparents, they do not show the things displayed on the tree, such as > names > of children, town of birth, siblings, parentage, etc. That came only by > stealing from me, and that is what I object to. I've lost all respect for > such > people, and just feel sad that some are so unscrupulous. I don't > understand what > their goal is. > As to your own putting a tree online, I do like having mine on Ancestry > for the > reasons you state. My computer has crashed, and I was not at all worried > about > my tree. I also do the research though the site, so attach it easily, and > keep > that site as my updated tree. I do periodic downloads just in case (of I > don't > know what). Just keep your tree private. > You have my sympathies, and I hope they agree to remove your information. > I do > recommend a private tree on Ancestry. > To a Happy and Better New Year! > Lois in Michigan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am > Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to > ?Ancestry?. I > thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer crashed > at > any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor > eyesight. > This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do > You > Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of > ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. > > I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that > someone had > > hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to > this > other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my > husband?s > name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. > > It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then > realised that > > all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and this > has > certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? > Regards > Pat. > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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Hi Maurice, Thank you so much for these. It is greatly appreciated. I will go and check them out. I know it cannot be 4Q 1915 Aston - Alice E. to Lawson W. NOON, as `my` Alice didnt have a middle name, so this helps to narrow it down. I think it is likely that she is the Alice who died in West Bromwich as there are other family connections to that area. Kind Regards Val > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Maurice Sheppard) > 2. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Maurice Sheppard) > 3. Re: Ancestry trees (kab635@tadaust.org.au) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:27:09 +0200 > From: "Maurice Sheppard" <maurice@msheppard.com> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D8EA581C56CB44DFA8559DBA91E29A69@sospiri> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Val, > > Here's the West Midlands area marriages from 1911, when she was single in > Smethwick, until 1930 > > 4Q 1915 Aston - Alice E. to Lawson W. NOON > 3Q 1922 Wloverhampton - Alice to Percy H. AUGHT > 4Q 1924 B'ham North - Alice to William H. ELLIS > 3Q 1926 Foleshill - Alice to William GOODE > 3Q 1926 Wolverhampton - Alice M. to Reginald P. MIERS > > Hope she's in there somewhere! > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Val Clifford" <valpclifford@gmail.com> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > > > > Hi, > > > > My great aunt, ALICE CLIFFORD, was born in Smethwick in 1884. I was told > > by > > my aunty that she married a `church army` man, likely in Smethwick. I > know > > that she died at a young age. I`ve looked on the internet and `church > > army` > > is another name for Evangelist. > > > > I cannot find the marriage anywhwere (or the death as I dont know her > > married name). The only one I could find cannot be her, as it would have > > made her only 12 years old at the time of marrying. > > > > Has sks any ideas please? > > > > thanks > > > > Val > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run > > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ****************************** > > > Val, > > Of those five I've just listed there are two possibles:- > > Alice ELLIS died aged 39 years at West Bromwich in 1925 and > Alice MIERS died aged 49 years at Birmingham in 1935 > > Whether these are the same Alices, I don't know, but worth checking out. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > >

Yes, these are the levels of access the tree owner can give to people they invite to their tree, but this is only for private trees. There is no need to invite anyone to a public tree because they are already public. However, only the owner can make real changes to public trees. I think anyone can add comments on a particular document on a tree, but the owner is notified the comment has been put there, and can remove it, whether public or private. My own trees are private and I have given Editor permission to my brother. If he makes a change I receive an automated message directing me to the change. It is always a good idea to back up one's work, and print copies are a good idea. I have CD copies as well, but technology changes, and this might be as useful as an 8 track tape to our descendants. There are secure online options, such as Dropbox, that will keep your tree and other electronic documents updated out in internet space indefinitely. Some space is free, but after a certain amount there is a charge for the additional electronic storage. Cheers, Lois -----Original Message----- From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> To: Louise De-Hayes <louhughes@blueyonder.co.uk>; eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:24 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels No Louise I have never invited anyone to view my family tree on Ancestry. I didn't know you could. Thank you for explaining it to me. I still cannot understand how a whole section of my tree can be deleted without my knowledge. I know the name of the person whose name and ancestors replaced mine. How can 180 names just be wiped off like that? I have told 'Ancestry' of my problem so I await their reply. I was pleased to receive your messages re the SMITH family all those years ago. Thanks for your help. Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: Louise De-Hayes Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 AM To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Black Country] Ancestry trees = Access levels Pat, Just had a thought. Have you ever invited folk to view your 'tree' on Ancestry? If so, you need to check how they can operate; there are 3 options: editor, contributor or guest. -Editor: can change and add anything to it. -Contributor: can do just that but not alter stuff (I think) -Guest: can only view the tree. Always check what level of access folk can have: a couple of times, I have had to change access levels and usually only invite people to mine as guests, so at least they can't faff with it. All the best.... we last communicated some years ago about Frank Smith (son of Bob who had a shop on Oxford St I believe). Louise >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >> ?Ancestry?. I >> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >> crashed >> at >> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor >> eyesight. >> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >> You >> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >> >> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >> someone had >> >> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >> this >> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >> husband?s >> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >> >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >> realised that >> >> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >> this >> has >> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >> Regards >> Pat. > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. 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Pat, Just had a thought. Have you ever invited folk to view your 'tree' on Ancestry? If so, you need to check how they can operate; there are 3 options: editor, contributor or guest. -Editor: can change and add anything to it. -Contributor: can do just that but not alter stuff (I think) -Guest: can only view the tree. Always check what level of access folk can have: a couple of times, I have had to change access levels and usually only invite people to mine as guests, so at least they can't faff with it. All the best.... we last communicated some years ago about Frank Smith (son of Bob who had a shop on Oxford St I believe). Louise >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward <hayward325@btinternet.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:50 am >> Subject: [Black Country] Ancestry tree hijacked >> >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> I am fuming. Some years ago I submitted thirty years research to >> ?Ancestry?. I >> thought that would be a safe place to store it in case my computer >> crashed >> at >> any time. I forgot about it for some years because of ill health and poor >> eyesight. >> This Christmas our daughter gave me a book and DVD published by ?Who Do >> You >> Think You Are?. When I used the DVD I found I could have membership of >> ?Ancestry? free for three months. Too good to pass up on. >> >> I was recognised and I clicked onto MY family tree only to find that >> someone had >> >> hijacked it. It was no longer my tree. My ancestors were all listed to >> this >> other person. My parent?s and sisters names had been deleted and my >> husband?s >> name and all his ancestors gone goodness knows where. >> >> It took me all afternoon to replace my parents and family and then >> realised that >> >> all Dad?s ancestors had gone too. I have bronchitis at the moment and >> this >> has >> certainly sent my temperature up. What do I do now? >> Regards >> Pat. > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message