Thanks, Doug. I'll do that! On 1/24/12, Doug Sollis <dougsollis@talktalk.net> wrote: > Hi Brenda, > Why don't you email them and ask the question at the following - > registrars_westbromwich@sandwell.gov.uk > > Doug. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-black-country-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Brenda > Perkins > Sent: 24 January 2012 23:21 > To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Black Country] Obtaining records from the Registrar's Office > > > I know that I should know the answer to this, but I don't. I'd like > to obtain 2 marriage records West Bromwich. What is the fastes and > easiest to do this for someone in the US? Do the offices or private > parties who do this type of thing accept Paypal? Paypal seems like it > would be the easiest and safest way to pay. > > Can anyone advise me? > > Thanks. > Brenda > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4763 - Release Date: 01/24/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4763 - Release Date: 01/24/12 > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I know that I should know the answer to this, but I don't. I'd like to obtain 2 marriage records West Bromwich. What is the fastes and easiest to do this for someone in the US? Do the offices or private parties who do this type of thing accept Paypal? Paypal seems like it would be the easiest and safest way to pay. Can anyone advise me? Thanks. Brenda

Hi,   I found this in old occupations:  Hellier / Hillier Roof tiler or Slater Nancy ________________________________ From: "eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com" <eng-black-country-request@rootsweb.com> To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:00 AM Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21 Today's Topics:   1. Re: Looking for some help on reading    abirthcertificate       (John Favill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:32:19 -0600 From: John Favill <jfavill@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading     abirthcertificate To: eng-black-country@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4D48F2D8-E073-4465-A113-382A1CE44E6F@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I usually go to the Shorter Oxford Dictionary when words are mentioned and this time I found the following HAULER. 1674  One who or that which hauls; a haulier. HAULIER. 1577. A man employed in hauling something, e.g. coal in a mine. The dates given are the year of the document in which the word was found. John On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Paul Smith wrote: > Hi Ron: > > Given the area I suspect he was in coal mining and was involved in moving > coal from the mine face to the foot of the shaft. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading > abirthcertificate > > >>> >>> It could have been, but I think it could also refer to a haulier on >>> the canals >>> >> I have never heard the boatmen referred to as hauliers. Coal boats were >> still running on the Tame Valley Canal when I was a a child, carrying >> coal from Hamstead Colliery into Birmingham and to the power station at >> Ocker Hill in the opposite direction. My grandmother's house backed onto >> the canal. >> >> But I am not sure what a "hauler" would have been doing down the pit. >> Working in seams that were too shallow for the ponies, perhaps? >> >> Ron S >> ------------------------------------- >> T ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21 ************************************************

No, the occupation was definitely stated as 'haulier' Lois. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Kamoi" <maaisha@aol.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on readinga birthcertificate > Could it be hawker? > Lois > > Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G > > Pinch <tony.pinch@sky.com> wrote: > > It could have been, but I think it could also refer to a haulier on the > canals - perhaps other listers would have more knowledge of this than > myself > though. > > I have added a link that I came across, to a list of 'Obscure Old English > Census Occupations'. Strangely though, (and isn't is always the way?) the > occupation of 'Haulier' is not included. > > http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php > > Jan Pinch (South Wales > > (Ex Walsall) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathryne Natale" <momnat@aol.com> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a > birthcertificate > > >> Would that be a hauler in a mine perhaps? >> >> >> Kathryne Natale >> momnat@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pinch <tony.pinch@sky.com> >> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 9:04 am >> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth >> certificate >> >> >> Thanks Paul, >> Nothing more I can add to Paul's interpretation of the certificate. >> >> I had a look on the 'FreeReg.rootsweb.com' website for Patience' baptism >> information, which took place 17/06/1855 at St. Thomas' church, >> Wednesfield. >> >> The occupation of the father is given there as 'haulier'. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jan Pinch > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > It could have been, but I think it could also refer to a haulier on > the canals > I have never heard the boatmen referred to as hauliers. Coal boats were still running on the Tame Valley Canal when I was a a child, carrying coal from Hamstead Colliery into Birmingham and to the power station at Ocker Hill in the opposite direction. My grandmother's house backed onto the canal. But I am not sure what a "hauler" would have been doing down the pit. Working in seams that were too shallow for the ponies, perhaps? Ron S

It could have been, but I think it could also refer to a haulier on the canals - perhaps other listers would have more knowledge of this than myself though. I have added a link that I came across, to a list of 'Obscure Old English Census Occupations'. Strangely though, (and isn't is always the way?) the occupation of 'Haulier' is not included. http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php Jan Pinch (South Wales (Ex Walsall) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryne Natale" <momnat@aol.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birthcertificate > Would that be a hauler in a mine perhaps? > > > Kathryne Natale > momnat@aol.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pinch <tony.pinch@sky.com> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 9:04 am > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth > certificate > > > Thanks Paul, > Nothing more I can add to Paul's interpretation of the certificate. > > I had a look on the 'FreeReg.rootsweb.com' website for Patience' baptism > information, which took place 17/06/1855 at St. Thomas' church, > Wednesfield. > > The occupation of the father is given there as 'haulier'. > > Regards, > > Jan Pinch

> the old style -ss- written here is > indistinguishable from the letter -p- > I had this problem a few years ago (before the Internet, just imagine!) with a certificate issued by the GRO. The certificate was hand-written (not photostated). It was for a forebear of mine in the Potteries. The father's profession was given as "Potter's Preper". But I am certain, from other knowledge, that the true occupation was "Potter's Presser". I had never come across this character written in English before but I was used to it from German studies (not German genealogy!). I think that this character is still used in German (I certainly still use it) although during the German Spelling Reform of a few years ago it was replaced in many situations by "ss". I am not clear as to how exactly it came to be used for "ss" since its true origin is "sz". If you imagine, hand-written, a long "s" (that looks rather like an "f") with a (hand-written) "z" pushed right up against it, you can see the structure. The character is shown at: http://uk.ask.com/web?qsrc=1&o=312&l=dir&q=Scharfes+S&dm=all The "long s" is in essence the Roman solidus that used to appear in, for example: 1/6 (one shilling and sixpence) 2/- (two shillings) 2/6 (half a crown) 5/- (five bob) Regards, Ron S

Could it be hawker? Lois Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Pinch <tony.pinch@sky.com> wrote: It could have been, but I think it could also refer to a haulier on the canals - perhaps other listers would have more knowledge of this than myself though. I have added a link that I came across, to a  list of 'Obscure Old English Census Occupations'.   Strangely though, (and isn't is always the way?) the occupation of 'Haulier' is not included. http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php Jan Pinch (South Wales (Ex Walsall) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryne Natale" <momnat@aol.com> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birthcertificate > Would that be a hauler in a mine perhaps? > > > Kathryne Natale > momnat@aol.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pinch <tony.pinch@sky.com> > To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 9:04 am > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth > certificate > > > Thanks Paul, > Nothing more I can add to Paul's interpretation of the certificate. > > I had a look on the 'FreeReg.rootsweb.com' website for Patience' baptism > information, which took place 17/06/1855 at St. Thomas' church, > Wednesfield. > > The occupation of the father is given there as 'haulier'. > > Regards, > > Jan Pinch ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron: Given the area I suspect he was in coal mining and was involved in moving coal from the mine face to the foot of the shaft. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading abirthcertificate >> >> It could have been, but I think it could also refer to a haulier on >> the canals >> > I have never heard the boatmen referred to as hauliers. Coal boats were > still running on the Tame Valley Canal when I was a a child, carrying > coal from Hamstead Colliery into Birmingham and to the power station at > Ocker Hill in the opposite direction. My grandmother's house backed onto > the canal. > > But I am not sure what a "hauler" would have been doing down the pit. > Working in seams that were too shallow for the ponies, perhaps? > > Ron S > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I usually go to the Shorter Oxford Dictionary when words are mentioned and this time I found the following HAULER. 1674 One who or that which hauls; a haulier. HAULIER. 1577. A man employed in hauling something, e.g. coal in a mine. The dates given are the year of the document in which the word was found. John On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Paul Smith wrote: > Hi Ron: > > Given the area I suspect he was in coal mining and was involved in moving > coal from the mine face to the foot of the shaft. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Snape" <snape@cix.co.uk> > To: <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading > abirthcertificate > > >>> >>> It could have been, but I think it could also refer to a haulier on >>> the canals >>> >> I have never heard the boatmen referred to as hauliers. Coal boats were >> still running on the Tame Valley Canal when I was a a child, carrying >> coal from Hamstead Colliery into Birmingham and to the power station at >> Ocker Hill in the opposite direction. My grandmother's house backed onto >> the canal. >> >> But I am not sure what a "hauler" would have been doing down the pit. >> Working in seams that were too shallow for the ponies, perhaps? >> >> Ron S >> ------------------------------------- >> T

Would that be a hauler in a mine perhaps? Kathryne Natale momnat@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Pinch <tony.pinch@sky.com> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 9:04 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth certificate Thanks Paul, Nothing more I can add to Paul's interpretation of the certificate. I had a look on the 'FreeReg.rootsweb.com' website for Patience' baptism information, which took place 17/06/1855 at St. Thomas' church, Wednesfield. The occupation of the father is given there as 'haulier'. Regards, Jan Pinch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smith" <mowbray@dal.ca> To: "Pinch" <tony.pinch@sky.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth certificate > Hi Jan: > > Attached is the file. I have already had one response but another set of > eyes is always good. > > Thanks in advance > > Paul > > ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The date of registration is clearer and says 1855, but if you look closely you can see the top part of the five, looked like a three to me at first also. I am also across the pond, in New York... Village makes sense... Kathryne Natale momnat@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul Smith <mowbray@dal.ca> To: eng-black-country <eng-black-country@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 1:12 pm Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for help on reading certificate Hi Kathryn: It is Essington Village. When I was a kid I used to go to New Invention in the summer and Essington was just up the way along Essington Rd. As for the birthdate I thought Mar 30, 1853 and so did another lister. But 1855 works as well. Need to get to the actual parish records...fat chance as I live in Nova Scotia <LOL>. Thanks for the assist. Cheers Paul ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kathryn: It is Essington Village. When I was a kid I used to go to New Invention in the summer and Essington was just up the way along Essington Rd. As for the birthdate I thought Mar 30, 1853 and so did another lister. But 1855 works as well. Need to get to the actual parish records...fat chance as I live in Nova Scotia <LOL>. Thanks for the assist. Cheers Paul

Thanks Paul, Nothing more I can add to Paul's interpretation of the certificate. I had a look on the 'FreeReg.rootsweb.com' website for Patience' baptism information, which took place 17/06/1855 at St. Thomas' church, Wednesfield. The occupation of the father is given there as 'haulier'. Regards, Jan Pinch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smith" <mowbray@dal.ca> To: "Pinch" <tony.pinch@sky.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth certificate > Hi Jan: > > Attached is the file. I have already had one response but another set of > eyes is always good. > > Thanks in advance > > Paul > >

Hi Paul: OK, I haven't covered myself in glory here :-( The mystery address is actually Essington Sneyd, Essington. (In my defence, the old style -ss- written here is indistinguishable from the letter -p-, but Epington doesn't make any sense). BTW, the certificate's typed heading says that it's a birth registered in Penkridge Registration District, Cannock Sub-District, county of Chester. This is quite wrong, and should be Staffordshire not Cheshire. Get back to the GRO and they should re-issue it for free. ATB Paul On 22 January 2012 17:42, Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com>wrote: > Paul: > > The certificate reads: > > 92 > Thirtieth March 1853, Epington Street Epington > Patience > Girl > <blank> > Ann Tarbuck > Domestic Servant (deleted) 4, 5 > X mark of Ann Tarbuck Mother, New Invention Willenhall > Eleventh May 1855 > William Buck Registrar > > Marginal Note: four WB; five WB > > All fairly routine, except that William Buck wrongly entered a father's > profession when he shouldn't have (because no father's name was entered) > then realised and crossed it out, initialing the changes via a marginal > note. > > It's probable that domestic servant was the mother's profession. I'm > afraid I have no idea where Epington is, so I'm copying this to the list in > the expectation that someone else will know. > > Best wishes > > Paul > > > > > On 22 January 2012 17:27, Paul Smith <mowbray@dal.ca> wrote: > >> ** >> Thanks Paul: >> >> Attached is the file. >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com> >> *To:* mowbray@dal.ca >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:14 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth >> certificate >> >> Hi Paul: >> >> i'll gladly take a look for you. >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> On 22 January 2012 17:04, Paul Smith <mowbray@dal.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks: >>> >>> I have a pdf copy of my g-grandmother's birth certificate and am having a >>> problem reading a part of it. >>> >>> The first field is when and where born- It looks like March 30, 1853 but >>> I >>> can not make out the location. From census data I have Bushbury, >>> Penkridge. >>> >>> The other portion deals with occupation of father which is listed as >>> "domestic servant" which I think was mum's. That has been crossed out and >>> the numbers 4 and 5 placed there. Does this have any meaning? >>> >>> Patience was illegitimate though later on my g-grandfather mad "an honest >>> women of her" <LOL>. >>> >>> If you think you can help e-mail me off list and I will send the file. >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

Paul Apologies - silly typo. The address is very obviously Epington Sneyd, Epington Paul On 22 January 2012 17:42, Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com>wrote: > Paul: > > The certificate reads: > > 92 > Thirtieth March 1853, Epington Street Epington > Patience > Girl > <blank> > Ann Tarbuck > Domestic Servant (deleted) 4, 5 > X mark of Ann Tarbuck Mother, New Invention Willenhall > Eleventh May 1855 > William Buck Registrar > > Marginal Note: four WB; five WB > > All fairly routine, except that William Buck wrongly entered a father's > profession when he shouldn't have (because no father's name was entered) > then realised and crossed it out, initialing the changes via a marginal > note. > > It's probable that domestic servant was the mother's profession. I'm > afraid I have no idea where Epington is, so I'm copying this to the list in > the expectation that someone else will know. > > Best wishes > > Paul > > > > > On 22 January 2012 17:27, Paul Smith <mowbray@dal.ca> wrote: > >> ** >> Thanks Paul: >> >> Attached is the file. >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com> >> *To:* mowbray@dal.ca >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:14 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth >> certificate >> >> Hi Paul: >> >> i'll gladly take a look for you. >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> On 22 January 2012 17:04, Paul Smith <mowbray@dal.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks: >>> >>> I have a pdf copy of my g-grandmother's birth certificate and am having a >>> problem reading a part of it. >>> >>> The first field is when and where born- It looks like March 30, 1853 but >>> I >>> can not make out the location. From census data I have Bushbury, >>> Penkridge. >>> >>> The other portion deals with occupation of father which is listed as >>> "domestic servant" which I think was mum's. That has been crossed out and >>> the numbers 4 and 5 placed there. Does this have any meaning? >>> >>> Patience was illegitimate though later on my g-grandfather mad "an honest >>> women of her" <LOL>. >>> >>> If you think you can help e-mail me off list and I will send the file. >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >>> Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

Paul: The certificate reads: 92 Thirtieth March 1853, Epington Street Epington Patience Girl <blank> Ann Tarbuck Domestic Servant (deleted) 4, 5 X mark of Ann Tarbuck Mother, New Invention Willenhall Eleventh May 1855 William Buck Registrar Marginal Note: four WB; five WB All fairly routine, except that William Buck wrongly entered a father's profession when he shouldn't have (because no father's name was entered) then realised and crossed it out, initialing the changes via a marginal note. It's probable that domestic servant was the mother's profession. I'm afraid I have no idea where Epington is, so I'm copying this to the list in the expectation that someone else will know. Best wishes Paul On 22 January 2012 17:27, Paul Smith <mowbray@dal.ca> wrote: > ** > Thanks Paul: > > Attached is the file. > > Cheers > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Paul Prescott <paulgprescott@googlemail.com> > *To:* mowbray@dal.ca > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:14 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Black Country] Looking for some help on reading a birth > certificate > > Hi Paul: > > i'll gladly take a look for you. > > Paul > > > > > On 22 January 2012 17:04, Paul Smith <mowbray@dal.ca> wrote: > >> Hi Folks: >> >> I have a pdf copy of my g-grandmother's birth certificate and am having a >> problem reading a part of it. >> >> The first field is when and where born- It looks like March 30, 1853 but I >> can not make out the location. From census data I have Bushbury, >> Penkridge. >> >> The other portion deals with occupation of father which is listed as >> "domestic servant" which I think was mum's. That has been crossed out and >> the numbers 4 and 5 placed there. Does this have any meaning? >> >> Patience was illegitimate though later on my g-grandfather mad "an honest >> women of her" <LOL>. >> >> If you think you can help e-mail me off list and I will send the file. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Paul >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

I am certain that it is 30 March 1855, which year also appears on the upper right typed and on the date registered. As to the location, it looks like Essington (that weird p looking letter is how a double s used to be written), which is a village in South Staffordshire and is 18 miles (15.4 km) from the village of Penkridge. Look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essington I also found a reference to Essington being in the "union" of Penkridge http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50951 It looks like Essington -------, Essington, I looked at the google map of Essington http://googlemapsuk.com/england/Staffordshire/Essington but could not find anything, maybe you may have better luck, but the names may have changed from 1855. Kathryne Natale momnat@aol.com

Hi Folks: I have a pdf copy of my g-grandmother's birth certificate and am having a problem reading a part of it. The first field is when and where born- It looks like March 30, 1853 but I can not make out the location. From census data I have Bushbury, Penkridge. The other portion deals with occupation of father which is listed as "domestic servant" which I think was mum's. That has been crossed out and the numbers 4 and 5 placed there. Does this have any meaning? Patience was illegitimate though later on my g-grandfather mad "an honest women of her" <LOL>. If you think you can help e-mail me off list and I will send the file. Thanks in advance Paul