Hi Carol, my Grandfather from Old Hill used to have an expression, 'Oh my Gadd,' I wonder if that was anything to do with your Thomas? All best wishes from Linda.

A relative is trying to find out about Thomas Gadd Limited. It appears Duncan Gadd (died 1937) was managing director. Duncan was married to Eleanor Hobbs, which is the main family line. I haven't had much success with googling. I found a posting on the Rowley Regis site, in 2003, from a descendant of Thomas Gadd, but my email has been returned. Eleanor also worked for the company - she died around 1972, we believe. We're trying to confirm Eleanor's name but are also interested in the company, Any information, or clues as to where to find information, gratefully received! Thanks. Carol in cold North Devon with just a slight sprinkling of snow (we don't get snow here!)

Hi Yorkie, You'd have to decide whether this is any good for a group but as an individual I have found Genes Reunited very productive. When you join you get a personal family tree maker which you access every time you log on so no matter how many times your computer crashes your research is still there. There is lots of space for extra details that you might know about each ancestor and you can upload old photographs if you want to. You can search the site to find other people who are researching the same names as you. And also other members will contact you if your tree has any individuals they are interested in. The more names you add to your family tree the more contacts you will get. I have had about 30 or 40 contacts since December and almost half of those have turned out to be positive in which the other person and I had common ancestors. When you have a positive contact you can with mutual permission view each other's tree and so share information. It's £9.95 for a year's membership. http://www.genesreunited.co.uk Best wishes, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <AYorkie19@aol.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: [B.C.] re Ancestory > Thanks once again to you all for the information, now I have another > question for you. Which sites would you recommend for a group of newbies to join. > It may seem strange but I would like paid sites only with urls etc. > > Yorkie > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >

And just to muddy the waters, apparently 1 in 12 of all males claiming irish ancestry is descended from Niall of The Nine Hostages!!! Ann Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [B.C.] RE: DNA > Chris > Yes exactly right. > In general this is why the matches follow the surname and why it has been > used to investigate that divergent surname spellings are from a common > ancestor. > > There is also a website associated with the book, > http://www.dnaandfamilyhistory.com/ which does have some interesting links > in it but the site does look as though it hasn't been finished, there are > a > lot of places where the heading is there but the actual link has not been > set up. I mainly followed the links associated with the book which do seem > more compltete > > Regards > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris [mailto:edwards05@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: 27 February 2006 17:02 > To: peter@wharton-family.org; ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B.C.] RE: DNA > > Thanks Peter, > You have explained it well. Just a couple of questions just to make sure > that I have got the gist. > Am I right in believing that for a match, both parties first of all have > to > be male and each then has to have an unbroken ascending line of fathers > and > sons until they reach a common ancestor? > Meaning that my male first cousins on my mother's side of the family would > NOT show up as a match with me even though we have the same grandfather. > But male first cousins on my paternal side would match providing they were > the children of my father's brother and not of his sister. > Kind regards, > Chris(topher) > > ______________________________

Hello Vera, -----Original Message-----Found the following 1851 Census in Cradley: HO107/2034 ... ED...: 1e Folio: 109 Page: 32 John Worton, 1797, Cradley, Head; Hannah Worton, 1797, Cradley, Wife; John Worton, 1828, Cradley, Son; Sophia Worton, 1831, Cradley, Daughter; Charles Worton, 1837, Cradley, Son The IGI has the marriage of John Worton & Hannah Southall in Halesowen which is 1.4 miles from Cradley so is possble. Do you have John Worton's parents? Are they John Worton & Ann Bandnage married Dec 29, 1783 in Old Swinford?----- Yes, this is the family I have, with John and Hannah married 18 October 1818 in Halesowen, and I have Hannah's maiden name as Southall. They were at Ash Bank again in 1861, when John and Hannah, now aged 64 years, had living with them son Charles (24) and his family Sarah (25), William (5), Charles (3) and Phoebe (1). Also resident was Caroline Deeley (17). I have John's parents as John Worton and Ann Pain, but no record of a marriage found as yet. The John Worton & Ann Bandnage married Dec 29, 1783 in Old Swinford were, I believe, another Cradley Worton family and are more closely related to me. I have this John's parents as Benjamin Worton and Elizabeth Bott, and Benjamin as a son of William Worton and Mary Heathcop, married 22 January 1736, my 6 x great grandparents. This leads on nicely to your next question: -----Original Message-----Who are the parents of your Alice Worton? William Worton & Mary Heathcop? Was Alice christened Mar 23, 1750, Old Swinford? Yes, Alice was a daughter of this William and Mary, and sister to Benjamin. I have her christening date 23 March 1749, and I believe it was she who married Richard Bennett on 13 July 1767. But who knows anything for sure about the Wortons this far back?! This is all much debated by Cradley Worton researchers and a lot is common ground but there are still loose ends and uncertainties. I hope this helps rather than adds to the confusion. Nigel Brown ENG-WOR-CRADLEY-L@rootsweb.com

Chris Yes exactly right. In general this is why the matches follow the surname and why it has been used to investigate that divergent surname spellings are from a common ancestor. There is also a website associated with the book, http://www.dnaandfamilyhistory.com/ which does have some interesting links in it but the site does look as though it hasn't been finished, there are a lot of places where the heading is there but the actual link has not been set up. I mainly followed the links associated with the book which do seem more compltete Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: chris [mailto:edwards05@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 27 February 2006 17:02 To: peter@wharton-family.org; ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] RE: DNA Thanks Peter, You have explained it well. Just a couple of questions just to make sure that I have got the gist. Am I right in believing that for a match, both parties first of all have to be male and each then has to have an unbroken ascending line of fathers and sons until they reach a common ancestor? Meaning that my male first cousins on my mother's side of the family would NOT show up as a match with me even though we have the same grandfather. But male first cousins on my paternal side would match providing they were the children of my father's brother and not of his sister. Kind regards, Chris(topher)

Thanks Peter, You have explained it well. Just a couple of questions just to make sure that I have got the gist. Am I right in believing that for a match, both parties first of all have to be male and each then has to have an unbroken ascending line of fathers and sons until they reach a common ancestor? Meaning that my male first cousins on my mother's side of the family would NOT show up as a match with me even though we have the same grandfather. But male first cousins on my paternal side would match providing they were the children of my father's brother and not of his sister. Kind regards, Chris(topher) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: [B.C.] RE: DNA > My understanding of this is fairly basic but here it is: > > All men have an X and a Y chromosome and all women have 2 X chromosomes. > These are inherited from their parents. Therefore men will have the same Y > chromosome as their father. What this means is that I will have the same Y > chromosome as all my male ancestors as will any other man descended along > the male line from a common male ancestor. Therefore if I find I have the > same Y chromosome as someone else it means we have a common male ancestor. > There is however a "minor" nicety to this system in that over time mutations > occur; matches are therefore done on a set of "markers" (usually 12 or > 25)and the level of matching can be used to estimate the probability of two > people having a common ancestor and how long ago. In general anything more > than one or two differences means no match. > > Studies using the Y chromosome can therefore be used to check for common > ancestry, particularly where the spelling of the surname may have changed as > well as migration patterns. For common ancestry such studies would need to > be related to documentary evidence > > There is also mitochondrial DNA which everybody has but is only passed down > from the female. This seems to be less used partly I think because it is > not following the surname. > > A book on the subject I've found useful is > > DNA and family History by Chris Pomery published by the National Archives; I > got my copy from the FRC shop > > Regards > > Peter Wharton > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > >

My understanding of this is fairly basic but here it is: All men have an X and a Y chromosome and all women have 2 X chromosomes. These are inherited from their parents. Therefore men will have the same Y chromosome as their father. What this means is that I will have the same Y chromosome as all my male ancestors as will any other man descended along the male line from a common male ancestor. Therefore if I find I have the same Y chromosome as someone else it means we have a common male ancestor. There is however a "minor" nicety to this system in that over time mutations occur; matches are therefore done on a set of "markers" (usually 12 or 25)and the level of matching can be used to estimate the probability of two people having a common ancestor and how long ago. In general anything more than one or two differences means no match. Studies using the Y chromosome can therefore be used to check for common ancestry, particularly where the spelling of the surname may have changed as well as migration patterns. For common ancestry such studies would need to be related to documentary evidence There is also mitochondrial DNA which everybody has but is only passed down from the female. This seems to be less used partly I think because it is not following the surname. A book on the subject I've found useful is DNA and family History by Chris Pomery published by the National Archives; I got my copy from the FRC shop Regards Peter Wharton

Thanks once again to you all for the information, now I have another question for you. Which sites would you recommend for a group of newbies to join. It may seem strange but I would like paid sites only with urls etc. Yorkie

Hi Ron, Glad you brought that up, I was beginning to think that I was the only one unable to grasp how it can be of any use . Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <snape@cix.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [B.C.] Brick wall > It is not obvious to all of us how DNA testing can be used in genealogical > research (unless one finds a body!). > > Could someone explain briefly, please? > > Ron S > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Malcolm Platt-Grigg mplatt2@bigpond.com > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:20:26 +1000 > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [B.C.] Brick wall > > > Hi Bob, > I went through a company called FamilyTreeDNA. Their web-site is > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > Not only do they do DNA analysis, but also have surname projects & matching > to a world-wide database. > You can contact me off-list if you want more details. > Regards from Malcolm. > Member of Grigg DNA Project http://grigg.mygenerations.org/ > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >

Hello Folks, I'm delighted to tell you I am back amongst my friends after an enforced absence due to having no Computer. I'm looking forward to catching up with all the chat. Hope that you are all well Ted

It is not obvious to all of us how DNA testing can be used in genealogical research (unless one finds a body!). Could someone explain briefly, please? Ron S Original Message: ----------------- From: Malcolm Platt-Grigg mplatt2@bigpond.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:20:26 +1000 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [B.C.] Brick wall Hi Bob, I went through a company called FamilyTreeDNA. Their web-site is http://www.familytreedna.com/ Not only do they do DNA analysis, but also have surname projects & matching to a world-wide database. You can contact me off-list if you want more details. Regards from Malcolm. Member of Grigg DNA Project http://grigg.mygenerations.org/ ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Hello List, Just a quick note to let everyone know that my "UK Transcriptions" site has been moved to Rootsweb at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ Due to ongoing server problems with the previous server for the last 12 months, Rootsweb has now kindly offered to host my site. I wish to thank all who have made this site possible with their contributions & I apologize if I have not thanked you personally. There's still a few more files to add & a few problems I've had uploading to the new site but I hope to get it all sorted out in the next week or so. If anyone would like to contribute any data, please fell free to contact me. Regards from Malcolm Platt-Grigg. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ P.S. Apologies for cross-posting.

Hi All Has anyone got WEBB or PERRY at Wordsley? I've got FRED WEBB (b @ 1890) married MINNIE PERRY (b @ 1886) in 1909 at Holy Trinity, Wordsley. Until I can get to the record office, I don't have parents for them. I can see a few possibles in 1901. Are they in your tree please? Thanks Steph Research areas: CRADLEY, HALESOWEN, ROWLEY REGIS Details on web site www.stephrobinson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Research names (amongst others): ATTWOOD, BARNSLEY, BAYLISS, BEASLEY, BRIDGEWATER, COPESTICK, COX, CRUMPTON, FENDALL, HARPER, HARRIS, HODGETTS, HOMER, INGRAM, PARSONS, POUND, ROBINSON, SMART, SOUTHALL, SOUTHWELL, STOKES, WESTWOOD, WHITE

Hi List I am a new subscriber to this list researching my Mother's family. I am trying to find information on her grandfather's connection to West Bromwich Albion. Before my Mother passed away two years ago she told me he was on the board of WBA. I have nothing to substantiate this only that I know he was a "manufacturers clerk" at Salter's Springs from around 1870 to 1901 according to census and certificate information. I know his son also named Thomas Smith was a manufacturers clerk at Salter's in 1901. I have read a little about the connection of Salter's Springs to WBA so think there may be a connection to my gt gt grandfather. Can anyone point me in the right direction to find any information on the history of the people who started or were involved in the football club at this time. Thank you Wendy Partridge Tamworth, Staffs.

Many many thanks to Bill Harrison and his team for the absolutely brilliant work they have all put in to provide us with BMDs, especially for the Dudley Registration District. I know how time consuming this work can be. Congratulations to you all. Best wishes Jean

Hi Steph Looked at Mar 1913 and he wasn't there, but a search on FamilyRelatives for WEBBs with a mother's maiden name of PERRY revealed that he was registered in 1920! Here are all the results: 1 Webb Alfred J S Perry Shoreditch.1c 84 Birth 2 1913 2 Webb Catherine M Perry Pancras.1b 106 Birth 3 1912 3 Webb Doris Perry Rochford.4a 1162 Birth 3 1919 4 Webb Fred Perry Stourbridge.6c 124 Birth 1 1918 5 Webb George D Perry Southwark.1d 135 Birth 4 1918 6 Webb Horace L Perry Southwark.1d 186 Birth 2 1917 7 Webb Ida M Perry Stourbridge.6c 122 Birth 1 1916 8 Webb Idris D Perry Bedwelty.11a 315 Birth 1 1912 9 Webb Joan E Perry Pancras.1b 63 Birth 4 1920 10 Webb John Perry Uxbridge.3a 89 Birth 2 1918 11 Webb Kathleen Perry Walsall.6b 1128 Birth 1 1916 12 Webb Margaret L Perry Pancras.1b 76 Birth 2 1915 13 Webb Marjorie P Perry Stourbridge.6c 119 Birth 2 1914 14 Webb Philip D Perry Salford.8d 20 Birth 3 1916 15 Webb Ronald F Perry Rochford.4a 1011 Birth 1 1918 16 Webb Stanley Perry Stourbridge.6c 111 Birth 3 1920 17 Webb Sydney J A Perry Shoreditch.1c 129 Birth 3 1911 18 Webb Trevor Perry Uxbridge.3a 89 Birth 2 1918 19 Webb William Perry Walsall.6b 1300 Birth 1 1913 Maybe there will be some others to fit in the family! HTH Polly Polly Rubery List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 rowberry@one-name.org http://www.rowberry.org Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html----- Original Message ----- From: "Steph Robinson" <stephrobinson@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: [B.C.] GRO images - help please Hi All I'm absolutely desperate to confirm a mother's surname (hopefully PERRY) for STANLEY WEBB - birth probably registered Jan-Mar 1913 in Kingswinford sub-district (probably part of Stourbridge). The page he would be on is missing on Ancestry - I have E mailed them, but have no idea when the image will become available. Does anyone have access to these indexes by another provider (1837.com??)? I would be really grateful to be put out of my misery.... Thanks Steph Research areas: CRADLEY, HALESOWEN, ROWLEY REGIS Details on web site www.stephrobinson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Research names (amongst others): ATTWOOD, BARNSLEY, BAYLISS, BEASLEY, BRIDGEWATER, COPESTICK, COX, CRUMPTON, FENDALL, HARPER, HARRIS, HODGETTS, HOMER, INGRAM, PARSONS, POUND, ROBINSON, SMART, SOUTHALL, SOUTHWELL, STOKES, WESTWOOD, WHITE ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies)

Hi All I'm trying to trace the family of my cousin's husband - with little info to go on. Does anyone remember a butchers shop owned by WEBB (probably Fred) in WORDSLEY? Or a wool shop owned by FREDA (surname unknown - but may be HUSSELBEE) in Wordsley? Any help would be most welcome. Thanks Steph Research areas: CRADLEY, HALESOWEN, ROWLEY REGIS Details on web site www.stephrobinson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Research names (amongst others): ATTWOOD, BARNSLEY, BAYLISS, BEASLEY, BRIDGEWATER, COPESTICK, COX, CRUMPTON, FENDALL, HARPER, HARRIS, HODGETTS, HOMER, INGRAM, PARSONS, POUND, ROBINSON, SMART, SOUTHALL, SOUTHWELL, STOKES, WESTWOOD, WHITE

Steph, info sent off list.

Thanks to Gill, Carol and all who responded to my request for information on Ancestory. Yorkie