Hi Wendy, I've just been using up my credits on Family Relatives. For most years it is just the same as using 1837.com and Ancestry BUT the 1866 - 1920 searches, are superior. For 1866 - 1920 it's like using FreeBMD in that you key in a name, registration area and it comes up the results for that name and place only. For example yesterday I was looking for COYNE born Walsall so that's what I keyed in and it gave me 140 Coynes - it gives 20 names per page and you use 2 units per page. The entries from 1911 - 1920 also give you the mothers maiden name. The same kind of search applies to marriages but there is an extra button to click so if you want to check the spouse you can do so with one click of the button (it gives you the names on the register page not the individual name). All in all I think it's like the other sites but better for the 1866 - 1920 range. If you prepared to plough through the images then Ancestry is good as it's free at the moment (I think) providing you register with them. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Lewis [mailto:wendy.linedancer@btinternet.com] Sent: 03 March 2006 09:11 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] FamilyRelatives site Just wondered whether anyone has had any experience of using the familyrelatives.org site and whether it differs from sites such as 1837online.com, etc which use the scanned images from the General Register indexes? The familyrelatives site claims to have a fully searchable database for Births, Marriages and Deaths, so can one actually search on full name, rather than just be directed to each page which might or might not contain the required surname? Any thoughts gratefully received. I already subscribe to 1837online, Ancestry, British Origins and FamilyHistoryOnline, so it is becoming an expensive hobby. Is there any benefit in joining FamilyRelatives too? Many thanks for any opinions on this. Wendy ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies)

Just wondered whether anyone has had any experience of using the familyrelatives.org site and whether it differs from sites such as 1837online.com, etc which use the scanned images from the General Register indexes? The familyrelatives site claims to have a fully searchable database for Births, Marriages and Deaths, so can one actually search on full name, rather than just be directed to each page which might or might not contain the required surname? Any thoughts gratefully received. I already subscribe to 1837online, Ancestry, British Origins and FamilyHistoryOnline, so it is becoming an expensive hobby. Is there any benefit in joining FamilyRelatives too? Many thanks for any opinions on this. Wendy

>I looked at the 1837 site for death of Ann Maria Brighton --snip--- in June 1889, West Brom., 6B/ 471 there is one which could be age 35, but it could also be age 85. The simplest thing is to order the certificate, either from the GRO or the local Registrar (Sandwell(?)). If you specify on your order form that the age should be 35, then if the search bounces: 1. from the GRO you will get part of your fee back, 2. from the local registrar you will get your entire fee back (I think). Ron S Original Message: ----------------- From: Yardsley Macpherson Y.Mac@verizon.net Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:43:24 -0500 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] Verification of age at death-LAWTON Hi everyone, Hope someone can help. I've been tracing Ann Maria Jeffs, born Darlaston 1854 who married James Brighton in 1874 at All Saints, Moxley. He died in 1878 (age 23) and I think the marriage I found for Ann Maria Brighton to Jabez Lawton in March 1885, West Bromwich, 6B/ 761 is her second marriage. However, in checking the 1891 census, I find no Ann or Ann Maria Lawton. I do find a Jabez Lawton living with his parents, age 38, a widower. Looks like he has 15 & 13 year old children as well as a son Jabez, age 4, so was most likely a second marriage for him as well. (RG 12/ 2278 Folio 76, page 24). I looked at the 1837 site for death of Ann Maria Brighton and found one in March 1886, West Brom., but aged 0. But in June 1889, West Brom., 6B/ 471 there is one which could be age 35, but it could also be age 85. Even increasing the size couldn't help me discern if it is 35 or 85. Is there anyone who has access that could help me determine the age, please? And, if possible, could someone check the marriage? In the 1891 census cited above, Jabez was living in the Eccl. Parish of All Saints, West Brom., so this might be the place of marriage. Hoping someone can help. Thank you, Yards ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Hi everyone, Hope someone can help. I've been tracing Ann Maria Jeffs, born Darlaston 1854 who married James Brighton in 1874 at All Saints, Moxley. He died in 1878 (age 23) and I think the marriage I found for Ann Maria Brighton to Jabez Lawton in March 1885, West Bromwich, 6B/ 761 is her second marriage. However, in checking the 1891 census, I find no Ann or Ann Maria Lawton. I do find a Jabez Lawton living with his parents, age 38, a widower. Looks like he has 15 & 13 year old children as well as a son Jabez, age 4, so was most likely a second marriage for him as well. (RG 12/ 2278 Folio 76, page 24). I looked at the 1837 site for death of Ann Maria Brighton and found one in March 1886, West Brom., but aged 0. But in June 1889, West Brom., 6B/ 471 there is one which could be age 35, but it could also be age 85. Even increasing the size couldn't help me discern if it is 35 or 85. Is there anyone who has access that could help me determine the age, please? And, if possible, could someone check the marriage? In the 1891 census cited above, Jabez was living in the Eccl. Parish of All Saints, West Brom., so this might be the place of marriage. Hoping someone can help. Thank you, Yards

Thanks for that site, Malcolm. It is certainly wonderful. Yardsley

Hi Carol, my Grandfather from Old Hill used to have an expression, 'Oh my Gadd,' I wonder if that was anything to do with your Thomas? All best wishes from Linda. more likely to be "gadd" instead of "god" as in not taking the lords name in vain/blaspheming etc etc! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Welcome back, Mellie. and congratulations on your marriage. See you in June. Yards dunno wots more scarey LOL me bieng back or that darn yankee bein on me shores AGAIN!!! ROTFLMFAO!! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Hi Tracy, Try http://estone.homestead.com/index.html Regards from Malcolm.

Hi Kay, I notice you have Rollasons in your list of research names. Would you happen to have Stephen c1802 Dudley in there? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "kay-uk" <kay-uk@btconnect.com> To: "'chris'" <edwards05@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: RE: [B.C.] re Ancestory I must agree I have had more actual contacts via this route than any other. Regards Kay BILSTON (Whitwick, Leics) CANNEY (Witcham, Cambs) CLUFF/CLOUGH (Whaplode Drove, Lincs/Helpston, Northants) HARDING (Tydd St Giles/St Mary, Cambs/Milldenhall, Suffolk/Eckington/Doncaster ) HESSLEWOOD (Beighton, Derbyshire/Attercliffe Sheffield/Doncaster) HOLROYD (Attercliffe Sheffield/Doncaster) HULL (Welshes Dam, Cambs/Whitkirk. Leicestershire) JEWKES, (Dudley) JONES (Dudley, Worcs/Eckington/Doncaster) MALTPRESS (Witcham, Cambs) MAW(E) (Thorpe Hesley/Salvin, Notts/Attercliffe Sheffield) MINETT (Ely, Cambs) MOAKES (Eckington, Derbyshire/Treversall, Nottinghamshire) MORTON (Sheffield) NEWELL/NOWELL/NOWILL/NOEL (Walsall, Staffs./Eckington, Derbyshire/Doncaster) OKEY (Ely, Cambs) PAINTER (Wednesbury) PASHLEY (Swallownest/Parkgate Rotherham) PEMBLETON (Teversal/Farnsfield, Notts) REYNOLDS (Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk) ROBINSON (Walsall, Staffs) ROLLASON (Dudley) RUMBELOW (Cambridgeshire/Suffolk) SAXTON (Whiston, Yorks) SIMPKINS/SIMPKIN/SIMKINS (Witcham/Woodditton, Cambs.) SMITH (Maxey, Northants/ Whaplode Drove, Lincs/Doncaster) STUBLEY (Lincs/Cambs) SWANN (Sheffield) TURNER (Stokesley, Sheffield) WALLIS (Witham, Cambs) -----Original Message----- From: chris [mailto:edwards05@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 28 February 2006 18:00 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] re Ancestory Hi Yorkie, You'd have to decide whether this is any good for a group but as an individual I have found Genes Reunited very productive. When you join you get a personal family tree maker which you access every time you log on so no matter how many times your computer crashes your research is still there. There is lots of space for extra details that you might know about each ancestor and you can upload old photographs if you want to. You can search the site to find other people who are researching the same names as you. And also other members will contact you if your tree has any individuals they are interested in. The more names you add to your family tree the more contacts you will get. I have had about 30 or 40 contacts since December and almost half of those have turned out to be positive in which the other person and I had common ancestors. When you have a positive contact you can with mutual permission view each other's tree and so share information. It's £9.95 for a year's membership. http://www.genesreunited.co.uk Best wishes, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <AYorkie19@aol.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: [B.C.] re Ancestory > Thanks once again to you all for the information, now I have another > question for you. Which sites would you recommend for a group of newbies to join. > It may seem strange but I would like paid sites only with urls etc. > > Yorkie > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 01/03/2006

Welcome back, Mellie. and congratulations on your marriage. See you in June. Yards

cassy wrote: > Hi All Its our Birthday time again So hears wishing everyone a Great Day > Happy Birthday everyone Cassy 1, Bill Longmore w.longmore@onetel.net > > 2nd Phil Irons iron@syd.eastlink.ca Hi everyone...to save any bouncing of e-mails, [and I'm NOT soliciting!], please correct the above e-mail address to irons@eastlink.ca TIA Phil -- Phil & Anne Irons, Sydney, Nova Scotia Remember: Professionals built the Titanic; an Amateur built the Ark!

Well just look what the cat dragged in!!!! I mean hi Mellie, great to have you back again. Wolfie…………who has missed you just a wee bit now yo know yo text me and sed yo thort yo ad gon def!! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Well just look what the cat dragged in!!!! I mean hi Mellie, great to have you back again. Wolfie…………who has missed you just a wee bit after an absence of some 2 months, I AM BACK!!!! just thought I would let y'all know!! different email addy too but same old straightjacket ROTFLMFAO!! did y'all think i was gone forever ROTFL tough Shite ROTFL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 28/02/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 28/02/2006

after an absence of some 2 months, I AM BACK!!!! just thought I would let y'all know!! different email addy too but same old straightjacket ROTFLMFAO!! did y'all think i was gone forever ROTFL tough Shite ROTFL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Hi All Its our Birthday time again So hears wishing everyone a Great Day Happy Birthday everyone Cassy 1, Bill Longmore w.longmore@onetel.net 2nd Phil Irons iron@syd.eastlink.ca 3rd Gary Hodge 1948 jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk 21st Pat Parkinson 1972 john_parkinson@stockport45freeserve.co.uk 23rd Joe Nightingale 1935 joe_nightingale@lineone.net 25th Mel Shaw melshaw@blueyonder.co.uk 31st Penny Trueman FOUNTALNPen@aol.com ps could everyone send greeting off list please

I must agree I have had more actual contacts via this route than any other. Regards Kay BILSTON (Whitwick, Leics) CANNEY (Witcham, Cambs) CLUFF/CLOUGH (Whaplode Drove, Lincs/Helpston, Northants) HARDING (Tydd St Giles/St Mary, Cambs/Milldenhall, Suffolk/Eckington/Doncaster ) HESSLEWOOD (Beighton, Derbyshire/Attercliffe Sheffield/Doncaster) HOLROYD (Attercliffe Sheffield/Doncaster) HULL (Welshes Dam, Cambs/Whitkirk. Leicestershire) JEWKES, (Dudley) JONES (Dudley, Worcs/Eckington/Doncaster) MALTPRESS (Witcham, Cambs) MAW(E) (Thorpe Hesley/Salvin, Notts/Attercliffe Sheffield) MINETT (Ely, Cambs) MOAKES (Eckington, Derbyshire/Treversall, Nottinghamshire) MORTON (Sheffield) NEWELL/NOWELL/NOWILL/NOEL (Walsall, Staffs./Eckington, Derbyshire/Doncaster) OKEY (Ely, Cambs) PAINTER (Wednesbury) PASHLEY (Swallownest/Parkgate Rotherham) PEMBLETON (Teversal/Farnsfield, Notts) REYNOLDS (Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk) ROBINSON (Walsall, Staffs) ROLLASON (Dudley) RUMBELOW (Cambridgeshire/Suffolk) SAXTON (Whiston, Yorks) SIMPKINS/SIMPKIN/SIMKINS (Witcham/Woodditton, Cambs.) SMITH (Maxey, Northants/ Whaplode Drove, Lincs/Doncaster) STUBLEY (Lincs/Cambs) SWANN (Sheffield) TURNER (Stokesley, Sheffield) WALLIS (Witham, Cambs) -----Original Message----- From: chris [mailto:edwards05@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 28 February 2006 18:00 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] re Ancestory Hi Yorkie, You'd have to decide whether this is any good for a group but as an individual I have found Genes Reunited very productive. When you join you get a personal family tree maker which you access every time you log on so no matter how many times your computer crashes your research is still there. There is lots of space for extra details that you might know about each ancestor and you can upload old photographs if you want to. You can search the site to find other people who are researching the same names as you. And also other members will contact you if your tree has any individuals they are interested in. The more names you add to your family tree the more contacts you will get. I have had about 30 or 40 contacts since December and almost half of those have turned out to be positive in which the other person and I had common ancestors. When you have a positive contact you can with mutual permission view each other's tree and so share information. It's £9.95 for a year's membership. http://www.genesreunited.co.uk Best wishes, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <AYorkie19@aol.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: [B.C.] re Ancestory > Thanks once again to you all for the information, now I have another > question for you. Which sites would you recommend for a group of newbies to join. > It may seem strange but I would like paid sites only with urls etc. > > Yorkie > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 01/03/2006

Many thanks for that Malcolm - it's just helped me stop beating my head against a (brick) wall! Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Platt-Grigg" <mplatt2@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [B.C.] All Saints marriages > Hi Tracy, > > Try http://estone.homestead.com/index.html > > Regards from Malcolm.

I can't make the old link work which I used to have to these pages. Please does anyone have an up to date one? Many thanks. Tracy

I have the naturalization papers Silas and William Fereday and the wills for William and Charlotte Fereday if anyone would care for this info please write. Wanda