(With) a grain of salt is a literal translation of a _Latin_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) phrase, (cum) grano salis. A pinch of salt may also be used. In common _parlance_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlance) , if something is to be taken with a grain of _salt_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt) , it means that a measure of healthy _scepticism_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism) should be applied regarding a claim; that it should not be blindly accepted and believed without any doubt or reservation. According to the _Oxford English Dictionary_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary) 'to take 'it' with a grain of salt' means 'to accept a thing less than fully'. It dates this usage back to _1647_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1647) The phrase comes from _Pliny the Elder_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) 's _Naturalis Historia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny's_Natural_History) , regarding the discovery of recipe for an _antidote_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidote) to a _poison_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison) . In the antidote, one of the ingredients was a grain of salt. Threats involving the poison were thus to be taken "with a grain of salt" and therefore less seriously. In reality salt is not an antidote to poison. Retrieved from "_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_of_salt_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_of_salt) "

Dave just to put you straight, we haven't got Brummie accents, they are Black Country, totally different to the Brummie Speak! All best wishes from Linda. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave in Inskip" > Hello Chris,I notice that you are researching Wheway,used to now a Wheway > with a Brummy accent ran a boarding house in Withnell Rd.,Blackpool,some > time ago now .It's an unusual surname,just another bit of trivia, > best wishes > Dave in Inskip. > > On 04/03/06, famhist@dsl.pipex.com <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: >> >> On 04 Mar, Mellie <chouikh2006@btinternet.com> wrote: >> > Yes i know its useless trivia, I got a whole head full of it ROTFL! >> > Mellie >> >> Oh I know, I got so much trivia inside my head I don't have any more room >> for real life!!! >> >> (at least that's my explanation for all the "senior moments" I'm getting >> at >> the moment) >> >> Hope married life is suiting you! >> >> -- >> Chris Ramsbottom >> researching: >> >> BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY >> MAHER >> >> all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day >> >> >> ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== >> Wherever possible (except for personal messages) >> please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! >> >> > > > -- > > > Sheffield Records Online > http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk > Online Sheffield 1841,1861 census, trade directories,probate, message > forum > & more. If you are chasing your Ancestors round Sheffield---this is the > place to be at. > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > >

.It's an unusual surname,just another bit of trivia, i think we might have a thread here for march, what say list admin cos u is very quiet are u at the bottle? how about trivia for march LOL OK i know can do trivia for the whole year, before anyone else points that out to me LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Hello Chris,I notice that you are researching Wheway,used to now a Wheway with a Brummy accent ran a boarding house in Withnell Rd.,Blackpool,some time ago now .It's an unusual surname,just another bit of trivia, best wishes Dave in Inskip. On 04/03/06, famhist@dsl.pipex.com <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > > On 04 Mar, Mellie <chouikh2006@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Yes i know its useless trivia, I got a whole head full of it ROTFL! > > Mellie > > Oh I know, I got so much trivia inside my head I don't have any more room > for real life!!! > > (at least that's my explanation for all the "senior moments" I'm getting > at > the moment) > > Hope married life is suiting you! > > -- > Chris Ramsbottom > researching: > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY > MAHER > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > -- Sheffield Records Online http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk Online Sheffield 1841,1861 census, trade directories,probate, message forum & more. If you are chasing your Ancestors round Sheffield---this is the place to be at.

Hope married life is suiting you! hes 2000 miles away what do you think ROTFL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

On 04 Mar, Mellie <chouikh2006@btinternet.com> wrote: > Yes i know its useless trivia, I got a whole head full of it ROTFL! > Mellie Oh I know, I got so much trivia inside my head I don't have any more room for real life!!! (at least that's my explanation for all the "senior moments" I'm getting at the moment) Hope married life is suiting you! -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Hi Mellie, I found Job's death Reg. You'll find my posting when you catch up. He was sentenced to 7 years in Australia for sheep steeling in 1851, but he died in prison at Dartmoor in 1852. Have sent for cert. Should be in in a few days. Yards are you sure it was "stealing" the sheep? VVBEG!!!! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

I will seriously consider whether or not to take out a subscription to FamilyRelatives. i had a quick gander at this site, its very much like the 1837 site, didn't compare the number of entries on them to see who has most, but the one with teh most entries would be my choice which i hope is the 1837 since i still got credit there !!!! aah summat to do while I am bored!!!! go to 1837 LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Hi Mellie, A Frank Alford (sic) Bill (born 1895 or 1896) thanks david, I dont know if thats him, it could well be, I may have taken those details o ff the 1901 with any others that were there and put them in my "to do" file, which is an entire room LOL I have been concentrating on his wifes parents and grandparents for a while, very elusive LOL thanks for the info ~ email is printed off and put in my research folder to look at these, guess I should start with his marriage to alice green, to get more info on him first! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Many thanks to Judy and Chris and also to Maureen who replied off-list. All your comments are very much appreciated and it would appear that FamilyRelatives seems to score better than other sites for 1866-1920 entries, and also the mother's maiden name facility between 1911 and 1920 seems to be very useful. But maybe Ancestry is the best all round site. So I will seriously consider whether or not to take out a subscription to FamilyRelatives. Many thanks to you again for your input. It is very gratefully received. Wendy

Hi Mellie, I found Job's death Reg. You'll find my posting when you catch up. He was sentenced to 7 years in Australia for sheep steeling in 1851, but he died in prison at Dartmoor in 1852. Have sent for cert. Should be in in a few days. Yards

still clearing out LOL My great aunt, Alice Green married Frank Bill, they lived in wolverhampton by the sunbeam factory, Frank was a test driver for sunbeam, he was killed in a test drive.he would have been born around 1890-1900 gussing his age to be about the same as my great aunt, I have no details on him, I havent' looked at his line at all, but if you have a Frank Bill in your line let me know maybe its the same one! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juraj Tkac" <jurajtkac@juno.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [B.C.] RE: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D Digest V05 #351 > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:03:56 +1000 "BANKS Jen" > <Jen.Banks@dlgpsr.qld.gov.au> writes: >> Hi All >> Does anyone have any interest in the BANKS, DOWSETT, BILL or WEAVER >> families who lived near Netherton and Dudley? >> Cheers, Jen > > Yes, Jen! I have an interest in a family surnamed BILL on the 1851 census > and BILLS on the 1861, living in Bumble Hole, St Andrew's Ecclesiastical > District, Dudley (Netherton). What have you got to offer? Contact me > offline for details of the family. > G'day, ~ Juraj > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.25/102 - Release Date: > 14/09/2005 > >

Still clearing out emails! Hi Wanda, who were William's parents do you know? I haven't done anything on my Fereday line since, well a long time, just had a look and not sure where he fits in, my Fereday's start at Nancy b abt 1805, married to Richard Cleaver, they lived in Tipton and had childrren around the time that your william and charlotte did.namncy's parents were Edward Fereday and Isabella Cranney also from tipton. Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Lee" <catbells@hcinet.net> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [B.C.] Wiiliam Fereday >A concern I have is my ggggrandparents- William Fereday and Charlotte >Whitehouse. In information I received from the Latter Days Saints William >is listed as William Turton Fereday and marries Charlotte Whitehouse in >june of 1811. I cannot find this record and their children do not arrive >until 1826. Any suggestions? The christenings are in Tipton the person >performing the ceremony of christening seem to be J Worthy. > > > Wanda Lee > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 > >

I'm still clearing out emails ~ Chris, you know hw in Family history we find people who at some point are related living by others they are related to generations later and stuff? dont tell me you dont find that LOL if your wheways are related to your dancers, which are related to my hollowoods, my hollowood (under her married name) lived just round the corner from the chainmakers and others in her family also l,ived in the area, but I am thinking they were a few generations before the wheways. Yes i know its useless trivia, I got a whole head full of it ROTFL! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ----- Original Message ----- From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [B.C.] Pub. Chainmakers v Hame Makers > On 11 Sep, Pat Hayward <pat@gilhayward.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >> The Chainmakers Arms was in Green Lane, Walsall on the corner of >> Farringdon Street, across the road from Wheways the chainmaking firm, > > Yes Pat - that was my Uncle Job's firm! > > -- > Chris Ramsbottom > researching: > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY > CAMPTON, GREGORY > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 > >

Hey yank, I'm cleaning out emails, have you got this one sorted? question if you haven't~ why cant he be the one in Walsall????? maybe work bought him to Walsall? yeah I know its wuflie or me that bring you to Walsall ROTFL maybe he was a runaway husband? his dau would still put him on the marraige stickyfoot, and list him maybe as dead to save face? OK so I am bored! thought I might have a look at your tree for a while, Yes OK wuf and yours geez that woman, Wuf am I still looking for the same marriage I been looking for since adam was a lad? Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardsley Macpherson" <Y.Mac@verizon.net> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: [B.C.] Job YARDLEY- Death/ Burial > Can anyone help with advise as to how I might locate a death > registration for Job YARDLEY? > I have scoured FreeBMD for a few years now and a friend also checked 1837 > on line for me, but there is no sign of his death registered. > I have the 1851 census for him, a widower, butcher, 39 (HO107/ 2036 > Folio 559, Page 44 at schedule 129 at Street by Sun ( a public house?) in > Kingswinford, Eccl. Parish of Brockmore, Staffs. This location, I believe > is in the Registration District of Stourbridge. > I have his wife's ( Elizabeth Walters YARDLEY) death certificate (Sept. > 5, 1848, The Dock, Lye, Worcs.), as well as the 1841 census (Lye). > I also have his daughter Elizabeth's marriage certificate in which she > states his name and occupation, but shown as "deceased". This was April > 26, 1857. > I do know that both he and his children were christened at St. Mary's, > Oldswinford and I would think that he is buried there, however, his burial > has not been found. I do not know where Elizabeth is buried, but > hopefully they are together. > Does anyone have any suggestions as to where else I might check? > Friends in England have checked both St. Mary's, Oldswinford and Brockmore > records, but to no avail. I am not able to order any PR's for St. Mary's > Oldswinford, even though there are 21 PR's and 14 BT's listed in the LDS > catalog. I have been told they are only available in Salt Lake City, Utah > in the US. > There is a Jabez Yardley death on FreeBMD for Sept. 1852, Walsall, 6B/ > 336 but I don't think this is my Job, as I have never found anything but > Job listed as his name. Besides, I have no reason to think he was in the > Walsall area. > Thanks for bearing with me on this. I'm desperate and hoping for some > solution. > Yardley > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: > 11/10/2005 > >

Hi Mellie, A Frank Alford (sic) Bill (born 1895 or 1896) was living with his parents and siblings at 37 Moor Street South, Wolverhampton, according to the 1901 Census. Can this be the Frank Bill you are looking for? Regards, David in Brierley Hill

Gay: Can't help with the lookup, I'm afraid, but I can with Titford. Titford Road went from Langley to Titford (surprise, surprise!). It was a very small settlement. Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" <woody.smallwood@ukonline.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 12:17 AM Subject: [B.C.] 1841 census Oldbury/Langley > Would SKS be good enough to check the 1841 census for Oldbury for JAMES > WATERHOUSE born c1805, age 36 Oldbury. Hoping to see that he had a son > called THOMAS WATERHOUSE born c1828 age 13 Oldbury. > > In 1851 James Waterhouse was living at Titford (presumably Titford Road) > and > he was a Coal Miner. Wife was Hannah. > > Would be really grateful if anyone is able to spare the time to check for > me. > > Many thanks > Gay Smallwood > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > >

Would SKS be good enough to check the 1841 census for Oldbury for JAMES WATERHOUSE born c1805, age 36 Oldbury. Hoping to see that he had a son called THOMAS WATERHOUSE born c1828 age 13 Oldbury. In 1851 James Waterhouse was living at Titford (presumably Titford Road) and he was a Coal Miner. Wife was Hannah. Would be really grateful if anyone is able to spare the time to check for me. Many thanks Gay Smallwood

John: Miser's Row was in Hill Top, West Bromwich, towards Black Lake. It was on the south west side of the main road leading from West Bromwich to Wednesbury, before reaching the top of the hill (if travelling from West Bromwich town). What name are you researching? My PASSMORE ancestors were there in 1851. Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stickwagger@aol.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: [B.C.] Misers' Row > Does anyone know where "Miser's Row" was? It's on the 1841 census HO107 > 977 > 10 25 > > > John Dawson > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >

Hi Wendy, As Judy says it's only any good for 1866-1920 and you have to pay to view each page which is 20 results. Whenever possible I try to limit the results of my search by applying a date range and using the region map or selected registration districts. When you have made the search (which is free but requires you to have credits in your account) it will tell you how many results there are and ask whether you wish to view them or amend your search criteria. To view 1 result will cost you the same as viewing 20 results (1 page). Just as 21 results will cost the same as 40 (2 pages) When you view a results page there is a link to see an image of the actual entry but that will cost you more credits and is unnecessary since you will already have all the details i.e year, quarter, registration district and GRO reference number etc. I have found the facility, which allows you type in surname and mother's maiden name for births from 3rd qtr 1911 to 1920, very useful in tracing siblings of my ancestors born around that period. Oh, and the wild card symbol is % not * as with Ancestry. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Lewis" <wendy.linedancer@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: [B.C.] FamilyRelatives site > Just wondered whether anyone has had any experience of using the > familyrelatives.org site and whether it differs from sites such as > 1837online.com, etc which use the scanned images from the General Register > indexes? > > The familyrelatives site claims to have a fully searchable database for > Births, Marriages and Deaths, so can one actually search on full name, > rather than just be directed to each page which might or might not contain > the required surname? > > Any thoughts gratefully received. I already subscribe to 1837online, > Ancestry, British Origins and FamilyHistoryOnline, so it is becoming an > expensive hobby. Is there any benefit in joining FamilyRelatives too? > > Many thanks for any opinions on this. > > Wendy > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >