Hi to everyone from OZ, As Cassy commanded <vbg> here are the names I am researching: HARTILL --- Sedgley, Tipton, Married into: LAW,MASON, TURLEY, TURNER LAW --- Sedgley, Tipton Married into: CROSSE, COLLINS, GREEN, HARROLD, HATHAWAY, HARTILL, TURTON, WORLEY, UNDERHILL HARROLD: Derby, Tipton Married into: SCOTHORN All enquiries welcome and information given in return. Ducie Tweed Heads NSW, home of Mt Warning, where the sun first kisses Australia http://www.geocities.com/twintownsfamilyhistory Protected by Norton Anti-Virus, updated daily

At long last I have found out what happened to my Parker family from Sedgley , they went to America PA , my gr gr grandparents did not die till the late 1890s and I have even got there plot number My gr gr grandfather was a Baptist Minister and that's what he was doing up till he died and he was nearly ninety Now I want the US CENSUS AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS , But did they go alone or did other people from Sedgley go with them has allot vanished about the same time Cheers Cassy

Hi Life gets complicated does it not, I left Walsall in my mid twenties, and having now lived in Australia for over 40 years I had been bought up to be 1 Not in the Black Country 2 To be a proud South Stafford, in particular the 5th South Staffords which had a high percentage of Walsall men in it. Now I find I'm a Northerner in the West Midlands and of course in the Black Country. I have of course given up on my Walsall accent, after all its difficult to get the Aussies to understand English never mind a Walsall accent. I no longer argue re being in the Black Country or not, after all how can I argue with Dave Ogden, but he does come from Wednesbury and that says it all ( I did attend the Tech College at Wednesbury for 4/5 years) I have come to the conclusion I need a TRANSLATOR John Steane ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassy" <cassyfranklin@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] attn cassy! > Okay Millie I have no idea what Walsall comes under but I will take your > word for it its north But please don't upset the Northerners has we > could have a riot on the list (vbg) > Cassy

ELWELL, SIMNER, COOKSEY, SOUTHALL, POPE, HARPER, CLARKE, HODGETTS, ASTON, SMITH, ROOKER, JONES. Has anyone got an ELIZA SPARKES born Rowley, possibly daughter of HENRY SPARKES in their tree. Eliza married SAMUEL TURLEY in 1876 and lived in Gt. Bridge Street, West Brom. in 1881. Yorkie

Hi Everyone, As requested I am just listing my Black Country names. Wednesbury area: MADELEY; MORRIS; RODEN; WILLETTS; NORTH; PERKINS; WHITING; and a John BROWN who last appeared on the 1861 census Sedgley area: JOHNSON; FOLLOWS; WEAVER; HARTILL; BENNETT; GRAINGER; BAKER; SOUTHALL Regards, Judy Mellowes, Sydney Judy Mellowes 0299772828 mob 0422949259

WRIGHT, DAVIS, STAINTON, WITHERS, WESTON, SEYMOUR WHITEHOUSE, PRICE, NICKLIN Anita Revell www.geocities.com/ceo_executive

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Hi All, I've just been browsing the net and found a website for St Lukes, Cradley Heath with baptisms, marriages and burials. Also burial records for Powke Lane Cemetery, so hope it comes in useful for some of you with interests in that area. http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com/St.Luke's,Cradley%20Heath.htm I was actually looking for details on Edwin Beech photographer who took some photographs of the Titanic. Unfortunately the link has been closed so I don't know where to find him now. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Regards Gill

Hello List Here are my few. SMITH (Just my luck) West Bromwich FREETH West Bromwich CALDECOTT. West Bromwich and Cheshire JENNINGS. Aston Birmingham Thanks for looking. Wendy Partridge

Hello All from Australia, Here are my Black Country names, as requested by Cassie. William BROOK born - HARKS HILL 1842 John BROOK and wife Elizabeth nee HILTON parents to William BROOK. John BROOK and wife Elizabeth parents to John BROOK, - both born ELMSBRIDGE I have kindly been given census records by Black Country members as follows:- 1851 - John BROOK and family - Chaddesley Corbett (over 2 Pages) 1861 - Eliza BROOK and family - Chaddesley Corbett (POST MISTRESS) 1871 - William BROOK - prisoner - Pentonville Prison Family in later years is found in Birmingham, Warwickshire. Many thanks to all for the assistance. Also, for the entertaining and informative list. I have learned so much from reading it. Debra in Queensland.

Hi Keren The marriage was registered at the Dudley Register Office in the quarter ending 31st December 1884. Off list I have sent you an application form to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate. Regards, David in Brierley Hill

We have to be very werrie some times who we let have our family tree and we let people have it because we get excited about finding extra members of our family so we willing give it , But Mellie is dead right , some people abuse this and I know this for a fact They alter our tree put in what they think, to add more names to the family tree they don't check census or any facts and even add on people who are no relation to make the tree bigger , When doing family tree's always try and check the census ,and back track before that make sure you check the parish records where possible The IGI does help but its not 100% and many people have put things in that are not fact mostly guess work Think twice before you let a stranger have your tree I know several people who have really regretted letting people have there tree AND THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO SORT OUT THE MESS Cassy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mellie" <chouikh2006@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [B.C.] ROLL CALL ~ Mellie Being serious! > It doesn't happen often so take heed! > > whilst we are doing roll calls and swapping info back and forth in the > true spirit of genealogy, and there are, as always new listers, who may > not be aware of certain facets of family history, can we just take a > minute to think about "netiqette" and "courtesy" > > I have had cause to explain a bit about this to someone just today, in the > context of information in other peoples trees that you receive. > > I am going to say this in the first person, because these are my own > personal feelings on the matter, and lucky for me they coincide with "N&C" > > If I have given to you any part of my family tree, I expect you to treat > the information contained with respect, and me with courtesy, I will have > told you that you can reproduce any part of my own information ie personal > information about ME, I am an open book and have no problem with it, I > have no problem with you sharing the information with others, however, If > you are going to reproduce this information into the public domain, ie: > the internet ~ your own web site or a web site that you have subscribed > to, where the information can be viewed by anyone, please remember that > there will be information contained in the tree that OTHER living people > in that tree may not wish to be made public AND THEY HAVE NOT GIVE YOU > PERMISSION TO DISCLOSE IT. in the case of web sites that you subscribe to, > you may be making the information "theirs". some web sites only allow > people to view trees by your invitation, which isn't so bad, however you > donlt know what is going to happen to the in! > formation afterwards, and you still dont have permission! > In the case of familysearch.org my rellies, alive or dead, will be sealed > to the mormon temple, which is why they gather the information from parish > registers in the first place and it can be very difficult to get them > removed, and a persons religious affilliation is their own personal > affair. > > for my own part I can state, that I have NEVER entered my own or any other > persons information onto ANY website, of ANY description, your information > has remained with me, and been shared only with my co-researcher, or other > actual family members who are also researching when we have swapped > current info. Most often I will have directed you to the person who > supplied me with the information in the first place if it is not my own, > hence "the boxes". > > People can become very upset, and very angry when they find that > information about them is in the public domain without their consent, > causing people distress is NOT what family history is about. > > If you find your information online, along with my own, I can assure you > that it wasn't put there by me! > > Be careful what you do with mine, and other peoples hard work and years of > research, if family historians find their work, and moreover their live > rellies online it could prevent them from ever sharing information again, > to the detriment of the world of genealogy as a whole. > > Before anyone tells me that I should take out the living details, and > replace their names etc with the word "living", yes that can be done, but > if "N & C" are followed then this wouldn't be necessary, and common sense > should prevail, with the courtesy of asking the person beofre you > reproduce THEIR tree! > > I will continue to share whatever informaion I have with any interested > persons, I will continue NOT to reproduce any of it online in the public > or private domain. > > thats it folks, bear it in mind please, and happy hunting, my soapbox > session is over, I will now return to being the joker in the pack as well > as a certificate holding family historian. > > thank you for taking time out to read > Mellie > How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > >

Hi John You had a problem with Aussies understanding your Walsall accent , when I went to live at Oldbury/ West Brom they could not understand my Gornal accent and I had to alter my speech so they could understand me , Now my husband tells me I have a Brommy accent he is very lucky to be alive Cassy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steane" <steane@bravo.net.au> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:26 AM Subject: Fw: [B.C.] attn cassy! > Hi > > Life gets complicated does it not, I left Walsall in my mid > twenties, and having now lived in Australia for over 40 years I had been > bought up to be > 1 Not in the Black Country > 2 To be a proud South Stafford, in particular the 5th South > Staffords which had a high percentage of Walsall men in it. > Now I find I'm a Northerner in the West Midlands and of course > in the Black Country. I have of course given up on my Walsall accent, > after all its difficult to get the Aussies to understand English never > mind a Walsall accent. I no longer argue re being in the Black Country or > not, after all how can I argue with Dave Ogden, but he does come from > Wednesbury and that says it all ( I did attend the Tech College at > Wednesbury for 4/5 years) > > I have come to the conclusion I need a TRANSLATOR > > John Steane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cassy" <cassyfranklin@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:02 AM > Subject: Re: [B.C.] attn cassy! > > >> Okay Millie I have no idea what Walsall comes under but I will take >> your word for it its north But please don't upset the Northerners has >> we could have a riot on the list (vbg) >> Cassy > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > >

Hello all If anyone is researching the following names I would love to hear from them. COLEYSHAW CLANSEY HODSON HAWKINS All in the Wednesbury area. Regards Julie

Hi Graham Perhaps a Directory of the time might give more information? Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Stanley" <graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] 1861 census occupations Polly Thanks very much for this. I get the thing about straw bonnets but would a huckster have had a shop? I wouldn't want to buy anything from them! Perhaps it was the store where the gang of hucksters picked up their supplies? Best wishes Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery" <polly@rowberry.org> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] 1861 census occupations > Hi Graham > > Not so strange, just the spellings! > > A huxter is a "huckster" - normally a peddler or hawker, or one who uses > agressive or showy methods to sell or engages in haggling. > > A shraw bonnet maker is a "straw bonnet maker" - ie one who makes bonnets > (hats) out of plaited straw. > HTH > Polly > > Polly Rubery > List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com > A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, > Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. > ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com > ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 > rowberry@one-name.org > http://www.rowberry.org > Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Stanley" <graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:45 AM > Subject: [B.C.] 1861 census occupations > > > Have come across a couple of strange occupations carried out by my Stanley > ancestors in Walsall in 1861: > "Huxter's Shop Keeper" (26 year old unmarried woman) and "Shaw Bonnet > Maker" > (23 year old married woman). > Anyone have a clue? > > Thanks > Graham > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them!

Hi All, I don't have too many - BISHOP - Arthur James b abt 1883 Walsall Parents James Bishop - Emily (Whitehead). I believe he had lots of siblings as well, just haven't been able to track any down yet. Many thanks Karen. ps- what did the fish in Cassy's pond turn out to be?

Hi Mellie, For what it is worth I have William FEREDAY. (Parents:Thomas FEREDAY and Rachel DARBEY) William FEREDAY (Nailer - Horseley Heath) bapt. 25 Sept. 1740 died 24 August 1810 buried 26 August 1810 at Tipton. married 2 February 176l at Tipton. Elizabeth WOODALL. (11 ISSUE) 9th Child:- Thomas FEREDAY marr. Elizabeth NIGHTINGALE (10 ISSUE) Hope this is of some help, Shirl from HOT Western Australia.

Polly Thanks very much for this. I get the thing about straw bonnets but would a huckster have had a shop? I wouldn't want to buy anything from them! Perhaps it was the store where the gang of hucksters picked up their supplies? Best wishes Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery" <polly@rowberry.org> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] 1861 census occupations > Hi Graham > > Not so strange, just the spellings! > > A huxter is a "huckster" - normally a peddler or hawker, or one who uses > agressive or showy methods to sell or engages in haggling. > > A shraw bonnet maker is a "straw bonnet maker" - ie one who makes bonnets > (hats) out of plaited straw. > HTH > Polly > > Polly Rubery > List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com > A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, > Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. > ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com > A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford > ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com > ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 > rowberry@one-name.org > http://www.rowberry.org > Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Stanley" <graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:45 AM > Subject: [B.C.] 1861 census occupations > > > Have come across a couple of strange occupations carried out by my Stanley > ancestors in Walsall in 1861: > "Huxter's Shop Keeper" (26 year old unmarried woman) and "Shaw Bonnet > Maker" > (23 year old married woman). > Anyone have a clue? > > Thanks > Graham > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > >

On 06 Mar, Graham Stanley <graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Have come across a couple of strange occupations carried out by my > Stanley ancestors in Walsall in 1861: "Huxter's Shop Keeper" (26 year > old unmarried woman) A Huckster was an old term for a general sales person. > and "Shaw Bonnet Maker" (23 year old married > woman). Anyone have a clue? I think this should be Straw Bonnet Maker! > Thanks > Graham > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Hi Graham Not so strange, just the spellings! A huxter is a "huckster" - normally a peddler or hawker, or one who uses agressive or showy methods to sell or engages in haggling. A shraw bonnet maker is a "straw bonnet maker" - ie one who makes bonnets (hats) out of plaited straw. HTH Polly Polly Rubery List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 rowberry@one-name.org http://www.rowberry.org Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Stanley" <graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: [B.C.] 1861 census occupations Have come across a couple of strange occupations carried out by my Stanley ancestors in Walsall in 1861: "Huxter's Shop Keeper" (26 year old unmarried woman) and "Shaw Bonnet Maker" (23 year old married woman). Anyone have a clue? Thanks Graham ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk