I have just found my Hayward's on the 1861 census on 1837online.com They have a child not previously known to my family of Frederick born 1857 (2 years before the wedding marriage in June 1859. Both parties were given as bachelor/spinster. The child Frederick is not on the 1871 census with the family in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Could he have been working or died? Eliza's maiden name was Underhill (corrupted to Hundrell in Sheffield on her son Harry's birth certificate. I have found a possible birth/christening record on the IGI on familysearch.org of 1 Feb 1857 Droitwich, Worcestershire for Frederick UNDERHILL, with mother only recorded but no corresponding death/burial record. 1861 census – household transcription Address: Hanbury Road, St Peter, Droitwich Name Relationship to Head of H'hold Condition Sex Age Profession/Occupation, Disability Where Born ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- HAYWARD, Thomas Head Married M 26 Labourer Over Norton Oxfordshire HAYWARD, Eliza Wife Married F 27 Hanbury Worcestershire HAYWARD, Frederick Son M 4 Droitwich Worcestershire HAYWARD, William Thomas Son M 0 (8M) Droitwich Worcestershire HARBER, William Boarder Married M 42 Labourer Hanbury Worcestershire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- RG number:RG09 Piece:2111 Folio:40 Page:26 Registration District: Droitwich Sub District:3 Droitwich EnumerationDistrict:2 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish:St Peter Municipal Borough:Droitwich Address: Hanbury Road, St Peter, Droitwich Any help would be appreciated. Yvonne Mason Derbyshire -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 24/02/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 03/03/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 07/03/06

Researching: WHITEHOUSE Tipton to West Brom to US, 18th-19th century DAVIS Wednesbury, 18th-19th century; Hanbury, Worc 18th cent. LEES Wednesbury, 18th-19th century SPITTLE Wednesbury, 18th-19th century SMALL Bloxwich to Wednesbury, 18th century DITHERIDGE Cannock (likely) to Wednesbury, 18th century BEDDOW Wednesbury, 18th century What I know on these can be viewed at: http://home.comcast.net/~whitehouse-family/ The following are wives' lines of which I know next to nothing: TAYLOR Wednesbury, 18th century ASTON Wednesbury, 18th century ATTWOOD Halesowen/Cradley (?) 18th century RICHARDS Wednesbury, 18th century PEERS Wednesbury, 18th century WRIGHT Dudley (?) 18th century Paul Whitehouse Maryland, USA

Hi Tony. We may have connected before as I have Coopers in Bilston at least between 1820 and 1850 and probably earlier as well as later. I would like to learn more about George Cooper, his family, their ancestors and descendants. Hopefully some are still in the area and curious too. Occupation appears to be Coal Master for a time and Iron Monger. Any chance your Cotterills ever go by Cottrell? Post a note and let's check it out. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Cooper [mailto:beefordtony@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:53 AM > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B.C.] Roll Call > > > My Interests. > COOPER - Early 1800's Bilston. > 1830's onwards Wednesbury/Tipton. > > COTTERILL _ Pre- 1840 WestBromwich. > 1840's onwards Wednesbury/Tipton > > LAMB - Prestwood > > FRANKLIN _ Wednesbury. > > HOLDEN _ West Bromwich. > > LAWLEY _ Bilston. > > Hope someone can connect with some of these names. > > Tony. > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! >

Hi Listers The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Added 10,788 BIRTHS for the Newcastle-under-Lyme Registration District, Wolstanton Sub-District 1901-1903 1904-1906 1910-1911 1915-1919 1926-1934 Added 4,999 DEATHS for the Newcastle-under-Lyme Registration District 1873-1888 Added 5,254 Marriages:- East Staffordshire (Burton) Registration District:- Yoxall, St Francis Chapel, Wood Lane (1977-1982) Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Byrkley Street (1899-1972) Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Ferry Street (1920-1956) Marchington: St Peter (1837-1985) Marchington Woodlands: St John (1858-1985) Newborough: All Saints (1838-1999) Stramshall: St Michael (1855-1990) Burton-upon-Trent: St Margaret (1893-1966) Okeover: All Saints (1838-1940) Stafford Registration District:- Derrington: St Matthew (1983-1998) Ellenhall: St Mary (1901-1998) Forton: All Saints (1901-1992) Fradswell: St James (1901-1997) Gayton: St Peter (1901-1994) Hixon: St Peter 1848 (1848-1996) Ingestre: St Mary (1904-2000) Moreton: St Mary (1901-2000) Weston-on-Trent: St Andrew (1996-2002) Stoke-on-Trent Registration District:- Etruria: St Matthew (1869-1877 & 1881-1884) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk ========================================================================

FERRISEY - Pensnett, Brierley Hill - Thorns Road (Wales and Australia too) LEWIS, STEVENS - Brierley Hill/Quarry Bank - Thorns Road and Delph Lane GRIFFIN, HART, BAKER - Bott Lane/Harrison Brickyard, Careless Green - Lye BINGHAM - Spring Street, Shepherds Brook, Pedmore/Dudley Road - Lower Lye - (oh and Tasmania on account of an indiscretion in December 1844) NEWEY, TAYLOR, POWELL - Spring Street, Shepherds Brook, Pedmore/Dudley Road - Lower Lye DAY - Hill Road, Orchard Lane - Lye (but Warwickshire prior to 1850) DAVIS - Lye COOPER - Lye Waste (particularly The Bell public house) FIELD - Lye (but Bewdley prior to 1820) Nailors and frost cog makers nearly all, but later buckets and automobiles. Daniel Rockingham Western Australia

GUISE, HOLT, HUNT, HUGHES, JONES, PRICE, TANTRUM, WOOD, BEDDALL, REYNOLDS - Brierley Hill, Dudley, Shropshire I have a sarah Tantrum in Ditton Priors, Shropshire married Rowland KIDSON 27 Dec 1764 Gaye

On 07 Mar, <Djedge007@aol.com> wrote: > I seek information about John Edge, born @ 1815, emigrated to Canada > 1832. He was identified as a farmer, and he may have come from a place > called something like Coalville or Shargreen. There is a family > story that he was one of four brothers shipwrecked off the coast of > Nova Scotia/New Brunswick. Well, the only Coalville I know is in Leicestershire, and Shargreen could well be Shiregreen which is in North Nottinghamshire: both are coal mining communities as well as being rural. -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

I know I am going to flogged for this one but I'll take the chance. By ay chance do you know if Sarah had a sibling named Temper? Just curious. All the best, everybody Tom -----Original Message----- From: kidson [mailto:kidson@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:14 PM To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [B.C.] ROLL CALL GUISE, HOLT, HUNT, HUGHES, JONES, PRICE, TANTRUM, WOOD, BEDDALL, REYNOLDS - Brierley Hill, Dudley, Shropshire I have a sarah Tantrum in Ditton Priors, Shropshire married Rowland KIDSON 27 Dec 1764 Gaye ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk

Thanks Patsy, for your email and for all the information to help me look for a connection. I took a look on the 1851 census at your two "brothers" to see if I could spot a link between them for you. As you know husbands often named their first born son after their own fathers. Unfortunately, there was no match on that score here, though it is possible that William and Deborah at 36/37 may well have had a son before the 12yo entered on the census. Each of the two families did have the wife's mother living with them. Now if each would've had the head's own mother living with them.. Best wishes, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER" <roger@rhmiddleton.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: [B.C.] Re: Roll Call / HUGHES of Oldbury > Hello Chris > > I can't say for the moment if Sarah of Titford Lane is one of ours. > If I come across her I'll let you know. > > On the '61 I have Thomas and Abigail and their brood of 8 in Simpson St. Oldbury. > Their eldest David married Sarah Ann Hinton. > Their eldest William married Lydia Crump. > One of theirs, Jesse married Martha Davies their only being Jesse Robert Hughes, daddy of mine. > All in and around Oldbury/Langley/Rounds Green. > > Also on the '61 are William and Deborah Hughes and their brood of similar size in Oldbury Rd. > I've got a sneaking suspicion that Thomas and William are brother or cousins but haven't yet proved it. > They both give Burton upon Trent as place of birth (at certain times, although randomly Oldbury and Derbyshire at other times) > Coincidence is not impossible but I'd love to prove otherwise. > I suppose the wedding certs or parish register entries will show if they have the same father. > This comes under the heading of 'stuff to do' > > All the best > Patsy > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >

These are my families: ASTON prior to 1841 Old Swinford, Kingswinford ASTON 1820 - 1880 Netherton near Dudley MILLS 1800 - 1850 Netherton near Dudley GRIFFITHS 1800 - 1850 Dudley PASKIN 1800 - 1850 Tipton DANKS 1850 Dudley WHITMORE c1800 Rowley Regis JENNINGS c1820 Netherton near Dudley Geoffrey Aston Hamilton, Canada

Hello Chris I can't say for the moment if Sarah of Titford Lane is one of ours. If I come across her I'll let you know. On the '61 I have Thomas and Abigail and their brood of 8 in Simpson St. Oldbury. Their eldest David married Sarah Ann Hinton. Their eldest William married Lydia Crump. One of theirs, Jesse married Martha Davies their only being Jesse Robert Hughes, daddy of mine. All in and around Oldbury/Langley/Rounds Green. Also on the '61 are William and Deborah Hughes and their brood of similar size in Oldbury Rd. I've got a sneaking suspicion that Thomas and William are brother or cousins but haven't yet proved it. They both give Burton upon Trent as place of birth (at certain times, although randomly Oldbury and Derbyshire at other times) Coincidence is not impossible but I'd love to prove otherwise. I suppose the wedding certs or parish register entries will show if they have the same father. This comes under the heading of 'stuff to do' All the best Patsy

Here are the names I am researching around the Birmigham area WHITEHOUSE and STOKES Whitehouse, earliest known. James, b. Birmingham c1813, in 1851 living Oldbury Rd. Smethwick.Gun Barrel Filer. Lucy,wife, Children, Henry,Arthur,Sarah Jane, born Cradly,Worcs.Charles,born Smethwick,Esther b. Birmingham,and 5 more born in Sheffield.John,a grandson married into the Stokes family,and took over the Barrell Inn on Pond Street,Sheffield from his mother in law. Stokes, George b Birmingham c 1805, in 1841 a resident in the Ecclesall Debtors Prison in Sheffield,Spectacle Maker. Appeared to have had a son William when aged 15,can find no other relatives in Sheffield. IGI have a George b 2May 1804,christened 15 Apr 1805,St Martin, Birmingham,Father George and Mother Sarah.Also a marriage of George and Sarah 2 Apr 1804 again St.Martin,Birmingham.Can't decide if this is him or not. George is my brickwall,I have full families and details after him,and if anyone can help me get to the bottom of this one I would be eternerly gratefull. If you have read this,many thanks for your patience, Regards Dave Stokes in Inskip

Hi Jane, l,myself, am a WOODALL! I don't know of any of my forebears emigrating to the USA, but you never know! Regards, David in Brierley Hill, West Midlands, UK,

Roll Call….sorry it’s a long list (and that’s not all of it!) but clearly my family were less than adventurous and all come from the same area! GRIFFIN – Hints/Lichfield FISHER – Shenstone/Lichfield/Weeford EDGERTON – Chasetown/Chaseterrace/Shnifnal YATES - Chasetown/Chaseterrace/Bloxwich SADLER – Wolverhampton/Bushbury GIBBS - Albrighton ROBERTS - Walsall ELLIS – Lichfield WARD - Wednesbury BARTLETT – Lichfield BURTON – Walsall COLBOURN - Chasetown/Chaseterrace REDDROP – Tamworth QUIMBY – Armitage BEARD(s)MORE – Sedgley BROOKS – Hammerwich/Longdon TAYLOR – Longdon HAWK(E)SFORD – Tamworth COOPER – Lichfield WEBB - Darlaston WEDGE – Bilston CARR – Oldbury WHEELER – Rugeley BARNES – Burntwood MILLINGTON – Lichfield FLAVELL – Sedgley HARTILL - Sedgley Any interest?…drop me a line Nick

----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Adams To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Roll Call Hi Everyone, my interests: Francis ADAMS b 1806 either Bilston or Shropshire (Brickwall) Paul PAGE (Birthplace unknown) m 1787 Wolverhampton St Peter any pre 1799 PROVERBS (Cassie has already helped me on some of these.) Same applies to John GRIFFITHS b 1781 Hannah PEARSON b 1820 Darlaston William TYLER (although he was born in Birmingham) 1809 I have more but I'm sure that's enough for now!! Best Wishes Martin

DYSON George b c 1803 Rowley Regis = married Mary ? They moved to Brum - son William b c 1833 Oldbury SULLIVAN William and Mary - born Ireland - son William b c 1858 - William Snr was a spring maker Ros

Ok here's some of my lot. GROVES - Walsall & Darlaston BAYLEY - Walsall HILL - Wednesbury & Walsall HILL - Willenhall (yep, two different HILL families) MARSTON - Wednesbury, Walsall Wood, Walsall BISHOP - Hednesford COLLINS - Bloxwich MARTIN - West Bromwich SKIDMORE - West Bromwich DOLAN - Darlaston GREEN - Darlaston Anne Sweetman Brisbane, Australia

My Interests. COOPER - Early 1800's Bilston. 1830's onwards Wednesbury/Tipton. COTTERILL _ Pre- 1840 WestBromwich. 1840's onwards Wednesbury/Tipton LAMB - Prestwood FRANKLIN _ Wednesbury. HOLDEN _ West Bromwich. LAWLEY _ Bilston. Hope someone can connect with some of these names. Tony.

I seek information about John Edge, born @ 1815, emigrated to Canada 1832. He was identified as a farmer, and he may have come from a place called something like Coalville or Shargreen. There is a family story that he was one of four brothers shipwrecked off the coast of Nova Scotia/New Brunswick.

> Hi all, > > Searching for MANTELL in Salop, Walsall, Birmingham, London, MDX > PAINTER in MDX > YOUNG in MDX and Worcs Bernard Mantell