Hello Vic I've had a squint at this image and it looks to me like Labourer at Garden The other two seem to say Mary Garvey - Knitter of stockings and Patrick Garvey - Bricklayers Lab.(presumably labourer) Hope this helps All the best Patsy

Looks like labourer at gardens Wolfie -----Original Message----- From: VAGarvey@aol.com [mailto:VAGarvey@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:05 PM To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] 1851 Staffs Census-Help please Hi All, I wonder if SKS could help me with an illegible census record? My old eyes are not what they were! Wolverhampton St Mary's HO107/2019 Folio 792 page 17.The folks at number 66 (last three names) are my ancestors. The Head is Barney Garvey but I cannot make out his profession/occupation, it looks like 'something at something'? Any ideas? Also, their residence is '66 Middle Row'. Does this still exist in today's Wolverhampton? Any help would be mucho appreciatedo. Grazios. Best regards, Vic Kent, UK ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006

Is it also possible that Spam checkers on individuals PCs that are set to automatically report spam also contribute to this problem? I used to get mail from the list marked as SPAM fairly frequently (unpredictable combinations of words seem to be caught; I even once had email from my sister which ended "xxx" marked as SPAM!)I now have rootsweb in my accepted senders list and also have set up a rule to allow any message with [B.C.] in the subject to be accepted. Regards Peter Wharton

Hi All, I wonder if SKS could help me with an illegible census record? My old eyes are not what they were! Wolverhampton St Mary's HO107/2019 Folio 792 page 17.The folks at number 66 (last three names) are my ancestors. The Head is Barney Garvey but I cannot make out his profession/occupation, it looks like 'something at something'? Any ideas? Also, their residence is '66 Middle Row'. Does this still exist in today's Wolverhampton? Any help would be mucho appreciatedo. Grazios. Best regards, Vic Kent, UK

The Timesonline is offering free access this week to The Oxford English Dictionary & the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography as part of The Times Oxford Literary Festival. Start at www.timesonline.co.uk/oxfordlitfestival Best Wishes from Linda.

To obtain the reference numbers of films available from the Family History Library. Enter <familysearch.org> in google or in the address bar. Then click on "FamilySearch.org - Family History and Genealogy Records." Click on "search" then Family History Library Catalog from the screen that come in to view. You have a choice of searching by Place, Surname, Keyword, Title, Film/Fiche (if you have been given a film or fiche number), Author and Subject. Good luck

I suppose that this will be read from the archive for those affected. Spamcop has, as most of you know from other posts, in its' infinite wisdom, blacklisted Rootsweb again. This is getting to be a right pain in the neck as I get all the bounces! If your posts suddenly stop, as other listers have pointed out, go to the Rootsweb List help page for the latest information. I also urge you to contact your individual ISP's and tell them to get their acts together. From the latest news, it will be another 20 hours from now before the block is lifted. I'm tempted to send a bill to the net-monkeys at spamcop for my wasted time and used bandwidth! Dave Wednesbury England

Please could anyone tell me if it is possible to look up on line the reference numbers of films (of parish registers, etc.) that can be ordered from the Mormon church to be viewed at a family history centre? Thank you, Maureen

Yes! If you have only found one possible person who could be a specific ancestor remember there may be others hiding in some cupboard somewhere ... Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lamberg" <linpete@lamberg25.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: [B.C.] RE: A FEW THINS I HAVE FOUND 'WHILST IT'S QUIET' > Hi all, just to pass the time, I thought I would list some things worth remembering when searching in the BC. > > 1) Just because a BMD is registered in Dudley, does not mean your Ancestor is from Dudley. > 2) Never presume an Ancestor has only been married once. > 3) Never presume a Visitor is not related. > 4) Never presume a Marriage Witness is related. > 5) Never believe someone is not your Ancestor just because the name is not what you think it should be. > 6) Remember most of our Ancestors could not read or write, or knew exactly how old they were. > > Can anyone add anything else? > > All best wishes from Linda. > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >

I notice in the Rollcall several people interested in SMITH families. Can anyone assist in locating a Sydney Smith born abt 1821? Father was William SMITH, mother possibly Elizabeth BENNETT/BARNET/... Oral history has Sydney with a brother (unnamed) and sisters Elizabeth, Sarah and Sussanah or could be Sarah-Sussanah. An uncle is said to have worked on the canals. Another possibilty is that the family may have gone to London as the IGI has a Christening there. Sydney SMITH has a good 'copperplate hand' (I do have a copy of his signature) and wondered if he appeared in any school records. He travelled to Tasmania Australia with 'friends' on a Henty ship and worked as a Whaler The estimated time of the voyage is about 1837. He did not return to England, apparently much to the annoyance of his father who expected him to work in his business (Brass, Glass or Stationery) I have put off looking for this SMITH for such a very long time. I wonder why!!! Not much to go on. In Victoria, Sydney SMITH donated money for the setting up of a Church of England school for his children. Thanks, Lorna E. Melbourne Australia

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query on the British Restaurant at Darlaston, particularly Jackie who described the route I would have taken by St. Lawrence's Churchyard. As it happened there was a photograph of this church in the current edition of The Bugle and the wall surrounding the churchyard was just as I remembered. With my rellies being adamant that I was wrong I was beginning to think I had dreamed the whole thing up! I must have been about 4 years old at the time of this visit to Darlaston. This stirred another memory from about the same time. My grandmother took me on a tram from West Bromwich to Hill Top. I had problems getting on as the step was too high for my little legs. As the trams were dying out I think this was the only one I was ever on in England. Many years later on taking a tram journey abroad the memory of the uncomfortable wooden seats, the noises peculiar to trams (including rattling windows) and the jerky motions all came flooding back. Rita

Hi I have a feeling this school was in Holyhead Road , right by Old Church I was looking for one of mine and it came up It was proberly a very large house Cassy ----- Original Message ----- From: "gusher66" <gusher66@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: [B.C.] Re: (B.C.) Bayley family > Hi, I've been on the list but haven't contributed for a long time but > recently I have found some additional information to my family line. > > On the 1861 census the Bayley family were apparently farming 100 acres of > land listed as being in Oldbury Road to Farley Street comprising of > William (head) Hannah (wife) sons William and Samuel Smith Bayley. I knew > there was also another son (older) but he doesn't appear with the family!! > A couple of weeks ago, I can't remember how I came across it but I have > found the older son, Henry James along with two sisters Esther Ann and > Martha Jane (who I did not know existed till then). They are listed as > "Boarders" (Scholars) at an address of 23 Holly Lane, All Saints, West > Bromwich. I have looked at the scanned erumerators details and find the > streets around it are All Saints Road? Street, Parsonage Street and an > area Lyndon. I take it this is around All Saints Church at the top end of > Newton Road. There is no Holly Lane in my A-Z. > > Is there anyone out there that has any knowledge or information of this > 'Boarding School'. Also, try as I might I cannot find the birth of son > William Bayley and youngest son, Charles Stephen Bayley. The family moved > from Horseley Heath Tipton to the farm sometime between between 1855 and > 1861. I have the birth certificates for the three oldest children (1852, > 1854 and 1855) and another son born 1860 (Samuel Smith Bayley). William > is listed as being born in West Bromwich abt 1858 and Charles Stephen abt > 1862, also born West Bromwich). > > I have been to Register office in West Bromwich but they say they don't > have them recorded. I know there is the other spelling of the name as > Bailey but every certificate I have obtained from 1852 onwards gives the > spelling as Bayley. > > Any help would be appreciated and I apologise for the length of my epistle > but I've been saving this up for a long time and would really love to > break this brick wall down. > > Gloria > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > >

STANLEY - Bloxwich c18th, Walsall c19th, Coventry c20th; JARVIS - Birmingham & Walsall c19th, Coventry c20th; LUCAS - Birmingham & Walsall c18th & c19th. My grandfather was a saddler and my grandmother a saddle stitcher, they took their leather-working skills to Coventry in 1908 to work as upholsterers in the emerging car industry. All the best Graham

Hi, I've been on the list but haven't contributed for a long time but recently I have found some additional information to my family line. On the 1861 census the Bayley family were apparently farming 100 acres of land listed as being in Oldbury Road to Farley Street comprising of William (head) Hannah (wife) sons William and Samuel Smith Bayley. I knew there was also another son (older) but he doesn't appear with the family!! A couple of weeks ago, I can't remember how I came across it but I have found the older son, Henry James along with two sisters Esther Ann and Martha Jane (who I did not know existed till then). They are listed as "Boarders" (Scholars) at an address of 23 Holly Lane, All Saints, West Bromwich. I have looked at the scanned erumerators details and find the streets around it are All Saints Road? Street, Parsonage Street and an area Lyndon. I take it this is around All Saints Church at the top end of Newton Road. There is no Holly Lane in my A-Z. Is there anyone out there that has any knowledge or information of this 'Boarding School'. Also, try as I might I cannot find the birth of son William Bayley and youngest son, Charles Stephen Bayley. The family moved from Horseley Heath Tipton to the farm sometime between between 1855 and 1861. I have the birth certificates for the three oldest children (1852, 1854 and 1855) and another son born 1860 (Samuel Smith Bayley). William is listed as being born in West Bromwich abt 1858 and Charles Stephen abt 1862, also born West Bromwich). I have been to Register office in West Bromwich but they say they don't have them recorded. I know there is the other spelling of the name as Bailey but every certificate I have obtained from 1852 onwards gives the spelling as Bayley. Any help would be appreciated and I apologise for the length of my epistle but I've been saving this up for a long time and would really love to break this brick wall down. Gloria

I know that your GROUCUTT interest is Coseley, but seeing the name prompts me to say that my tree has an Ernest GROUCUTT, born around 1899 (father John Leonard GROUCUTT). Ernest married Beatrice May SYLVESTER in 1925 in Oldbury. David Element ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAYMOND SPICER" <RaySpicer@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: Roll call > My interests are: > > AUSTIN--Dudley,Sedgley, and Bilston 1820 onwards > SPICER--Coseley,Sedgley 1861 onwards,Leicestershire 1690 > GROUCUTT--Coseley,early1800's onwards and Dawley Magna 1650. >

Image sent off list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "christine boswell" <christineboswell@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: [B.C.] WESTBURY 1861 census Wolverhampton > Could someone help me with my WESTBURYs on the 1861 > census please. > > According to the index they were the only Westburys > living in Wolverhampton at this time. > > 1861 census > Household WESTBURY, Daniel H 2 M Wolverhampton > Household WESTBURY, George 24 M Wolverhampton > Household WESTBURY, Susannah 28 F Wolverhampton > Household WESTBURY, William J 0 M Wolverhampton > > Many thanks > > Chris > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > >

For Bob, The churches & chapels of Bilston,Staffordshire. Three district Parishes of St Leonards, St Lukes and St Marys Roman Catholic Church, Oxford Street, erected 1833. Wood Street Baptist Chapel founded 1800 with a burial ground 1829. Oxford Street Independent Chapel. Oxford Street Wesleyan Methodist Church. Wesleyan Chapel in Ettingshall Lane, Wesleyan Chapel in the village of Bradley. Methodist New Connexion Chapel. Primitive Methodist Chapel. Swan Bank Methodist Chapel Welsh Chapel in Pipe's Meadow built 1845.

Could someone help me with my WESTBURYs on the 1861 census please. According to the index they were the only Westburys living in Wolverhampton at this time. 1861 census Household WESTBURY, Daniel H 2 M Wolverhampton Household WESTBURY, George 24 M Wolverhampton Household WESTBURY, Susannah 28 F Wolverhampton Household WESTBURY, William J 0 M Wolverhampton Many thanks Chris ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry

Oxford Street Independant Chapel, Bilston COOPER Births & Baptisms 1785-1837 Children of George & Abigail COOPER George born 21 Nov 1814, baptized 9 May 1815. Mary Ann, Born 28 Feb 1816, bapt. 20 Jun 1816 Joseph, born 2 Mar 1818, Bapt 19 Apl 1818 William, born 25 Jul 1819, bapt. 10 Oct 1819. James, born 20 Sep 1821, bapt 30 Dec 1821. George born 25 Sep 1823, bapt 30 Nov 1823. John born 11 Mar 1825, bapt 10 Feb 1826 Joseph, born 4 Feb 1827, bapt 1 May 1827. Abigail, born 1 May 1830, bapt 27 Jun 1830. Children of George & Sarah COOPER fof Bilston follow on. Sarah born 23 May 1832, bapt 29 Oct 1833. Thomas born 29 Jun 1833, bapt 29 Oct 1833. George born 1 Jan 1835, bapt 8 Jan 1837 Mary born 4 Oct 1836, bapt 8 Jan 1837. There is a note in the transcript that says the chapel in Bilston was founded in 1760 by Independents but it did not thrive. The Baptismal Register started 1785 but some names are missing because of torn edges. Oxford Street Chapel, Bilston was erected in 1822. Opened for Divine Worship March 25 1823. At that time there were about 10 baptisms per year. Regards Pat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Cooper" <sierrasnow@cox.net> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com>; <mplatt2@bigpond.com>; <chouikh2006@btinternet.com>; <snape@cix.co.uk>; <hayward325@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Parkes, Murry, Blinkshaw with Coopers 1841 > Hi Pat, Mellie, Ron, Malcolm and List > > Thank you all very much. You are the Royal Gems of England (or wherever > you > are). > > Pat, I do not have those details. Where are the Registers of the Bilston > Independent Chapel? What can you tell me about this chapel? Where can I > find out more? > > And what is known about Miss Jane? Parkes, Murry and Blinkshaw? > > You are terriffic! > > Bob Cooper Oceanside, Calif. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Hayward [mailto:hayward325@btinternet.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:27 AM >> To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [B.C.] Re: Parkes, Murry, Blinkshaw with Coopers 1841 >> >> >> Hello Bob >> The dates of birth and baptism for George & Abigail and George & Sarah >> COOPER's children were in the Registers of the Bilston >> Independent Chapel, >> Oxford Street, Bilston. >> Have you already got these details? >> Regards >> Pat. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Cooper" <sierrasnow@cox.net> >> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:39 PM >> Subject: Parkes, Murry, Blinkshaw with Coopers 1841 >> >> >> > Hi Listers, Pat, Gil, Ruth, Carl, Nick; Julie, Tony and all you who >> > have >> > helped me blast the brickwall. >> > I understand that the census takers occasionally registered visiting >> > relatives, especially youngsters, as servants? >> > Jane (or is it Jake? hard to read) Parkes and Maria Murry may >> be examples >> > from this (augmented) 1841 census: >> > Also, would someone clarify the '41 census recording of age policy? Do >> > they >> > round adults age to nearest decade? >> > I have George Cooper, 1st wife Abigail, 2nd wife Sarah in Bilston about >> > 1815 >> > to 1860. He was into coal & iron. 16+/- children including: >> > George (age 50 '41 Census Bilston District 16 south side of Church St., >> > page >> > 1/39) occup. iron monger >> > Sarah (age 30 '41 Census) >> > George (1814 IGI), >> > Mary Ann (1816 IGI?), >> > Joseph (1818 IGI), >> > William (1819 IGI) (1821 '41 Cens*), >> > James abt 1821, >> > George 1823? >> > John 1825? >> > Joseph (abt 1827 '41 Cens) >> > Abigail (abt 1830 '41 Cens) >> > Lila(Lala?) (abt 1832 '41 Cens) >> > Thomas (abt 1834 '41 Cens) >> > George (abt 1835 '41 Cens) >> > Mary (abt 1837 '41 Cens) >> > Samuel (abt 1838 '41 Cens) >> > Ann (abt 1840 '41 Cens) >> > Kinney / Henney (5 mos '41 Cens) >> > Governess Martha Blinkshaw (age 20 '41 Cens), >> > FS Maria Murry (age 22, '41 Cens), >> > FS Jane/Jake Parkes age 13, '41 Cens). >> > >> > Any connections? >> > >> > Thank you all >> > >> > Bob Oceanside, Calif. >> > >> > ______________________________ >> >> >> ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== >> The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- >> d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006 > >

Hi Nick My Moses Wedge is linked to your Wedge clan as his father Benjamin b 1771 is your Thomas's brother so we share a common line from their backwards, still trying to establish who the father is I think it was Isaac but not 100% certain. I spent two days at the Wolverhampton Archives last year and recorded so many Wedge names and am now trying to link them all. I have a good idea that they originally moved to Bilston from Wellington in Shropshire. It looks very much like all of the Wedge clan in and around Bilston and Sedgley are related but it's a case of who's cat ran up who's entry and they make it worse by using a common set of Christian names. If you have any more info on your line I would be interested and can let you have what I have linked so far. Barry Jones _____ From: Nick Griffin [mailto:nick.griffin@mac.com] Sent: 19 March 2006 13:19 To: Barry Subject: Re: [B.C.] MOSES WEDGE Hi Barry, I an looking at Wedge in Bilston (amongst many others!)> In my direct line I have: Sarah Wedge b. ~1837 in Bilston m. Richard Hooper and also has another marriage to ?(first name unknown) Walkedine. Sarah is daughter of Thomas b.~1796 and Sarah B~1801 The other children they had that I know of are: Eunice (or possibly Ennie) Wedge b.1824 Thomas Wedge b~1834 Joseph Wedge b~1840 I feel sure there may be other children because of the spread of birth years. Is your Moses linked to this family? Area is right and not that common a surname? Best wishes Nick Nick Griffin nick.griffin@mac.com On 19 Mar 2006, at 08:11, Barry wrote: I am trying to find MOSES WEDGE in the 1851 Census, he born approx 1829 in Bilston, Staffordshire, is there anyone else researching this family name. I have him in all other censuses from 1901 to 1861. I am hoping in 1851 he was with his parents so I can find out who they were. Barry Jones ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk