According to my Bilston born husband, who's rellies still live there, it's a no. Gaye Can anyone tell me anything about the 'Boat Builders Arms', Oxford Street, Bilston. One of my rellis (a woman) was the publican there on the 1901 Census. Is it still there or has it long gone. Rita ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ====

This must be the only list I can post this on without a telling off. Hope you enjoy:-) Gaye A man was leaving a cafe with his morning coffee when he >> > > > noticed a most unusual funeral procession approaching the >> > > > nearby cemetery. >> > > > >> > > > A long black hearse was followed by a second long black >> > > > hearse about 50 Feet behind the first. Behind the second >> > > > hearse was a solitary man walking a pit-bull (dog) on a leash. >> > > > >> > > > Behind him was a queue of 200 men walking in >> > > > single file. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > The man couldn't stand the curiosity. He respectfully >> > > > approached the man walking the dog. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > "I am so sorry for your loss, and I know now is a bad time to >> > > > disturb you, but I've never seen a funeral like this with so >> > > > many of you walking in single file. Whose funeral is it?" >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > The man replied, "Well, the first hearse is for my wife" >> > > > >> > > > "What happened to her?" >> > > > >> > > > The man replied " My dog attacked and killed her." >> > > > >> > > > He inquired further, "Well, who is in the second hearse?" >> > > > >> > > > The man answered "My Mother-in-law. She was trying to help my >> > > > wife when the dog turned on her." >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > A poignant and thoughtful moment of silence passes between >> > > > the two men. >> >> > > > "Can I borrow the dog?" >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > "Join the queue"

Hi Gaye, I found this site by going to Google. Hope it's helpful. Yards http://www.pubinnguide.com/pubs.asp?businesstown=Bilston

Jillybrenin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi list > Does anyone know please if Gamekeepers were self employed (like journeymen) > or always worked for "the big house" or more likely to be up market names for > poachers ? > Far be it from me to contradict the other responders who obviously know what they're talking about--especially those whose ancestors were so employed, but it seems to me that I have read or heard somewhere that in some cases poachers were actually hired as gamekeepers in a sort of 'set a thief to catch a thief' way. This is not to suggest that anyone's ancestor *was* a reformed poacher, but if the shoe fits... Cheers, Phil -- Phil & Anne Irons, Sydney, Nova Scotia Remember: Professionals built the Titanic; an Amateur built the Ark!

On 23 Mar, <Djedge007@aol.com> wrote: > I have a barely legible letter stating that my EDGE family came from a > small,place named SPOCH, near COLDVILLE in Leicestershire.. I suspect > the spellings are incorrect, but does something like Spoch ring a bell > with anyone? My gggrandfathjer, John Edge, was born 1814 or 1815, and > entered Canada in 1832. > He was identified as a farmer. Well the Coldville should really be Coalville, but perhaps if you post on the Leicestershire list you may find someone who knows the other place. > I hope someone can help me.. > > Donald Edge in Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

I used to work with a Jeff Cooper and go about with him socially Ray

Hi You will find records of Gamekeepers in Quarter Sessions Records at the County Record Office. My ancestor was a gamekeeper in Northamptonshire. I contacted the Archivist at the Northants RO and she sent me all that they had onfile for him. For a fee of course. I was very pleased with the result. It told me who his employers were and gave places and dates. Regards Pat. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jillybrenin@aol.com> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:43 PM > Subject: Gamekeepers please > > >> >> Hi list >> Does anyone know please if Gamekeepers were self employed (like >> journeymen) or always worked for "the big house" or more likely to be up >> market names for poachers ?

I have a barely legible letter stating that my EDGE family came from a small,place named SPOCH, near COLDVILLE in Leicestershire.. I suspect the spellings are incorrect, but does something like Spoch ring a bell with anyone? My gggrandfathjer, John Edge, was born 1814 or 1815, and entered Canada in 1832. He was identified as a farmer. I hope someone can help me.. Donald Edge in Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA

Has far has I know the only gamekeepers I did know worked for the big houses , never self employed and yes I would say some of the poachers would call themselves that on census , they did the same thing but what they did was illegal but most poachers did it to feed there family who where hungry so who blames them Cassy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jillybrenin@aol.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: [B.C.] Gamekeepers please > > Hi list > Does anyone know please if Gamekeepers were self employed (like > journeymen) > or always worked for "the big house" or more likely to be up market names > for > poachers ? > > I am tracking the" Game Keeper " Henry Parker who lived at Little Huncote, > Thurlaston in 1881 and am curious about the occupation. > > Apart from my mother hiding "Lady Chatterleys Lover" in her knitting bag, > I > have not encountered them before !! > Clues appreciated > Thanks > Jilly > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > >

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Rita I live in Bilston and its long gone. I used to have a list of pubs,just can't lay my hands on it at the moment Rat

Carol O'Neill wrote: > The only major fair held in the BC is on 9th April at Dunstall > Racecourse. Wolverhampton, 10 - 5. > > Free car parking and a cafe onsite, even a bar if you fancy a pint. > Fancy a pint? FANCY A PINT? You hold the only major Family History fair in the BC, and there's only ONE bar??? Crikey, Dave O. and Cassy will take care of that! What will the rest of us do, drink TEA? Cheers [or perhaps I'd better say Tarar!] <XLVBG> Phil Mellie, would you care to add a few words? <snigger> -- Phil & Anne Irons, Sydney, Nova Scotia Remember: Professionals built the Titanic; an Amateur built the Ark!

Definitely not an upmarket name for a poacher. Gamekeepers would be employed by the owner of a big house or estate to breed and protect game from poachers. Here in Scotland it could also include stalking deer and caring for the River. In other words he was the professional on hand to help the owner and his guests when they wanted to go shooting or fishing. . Incidentally here in Thurso the college run degree courses in Gamekeeping. Ted

Sorry, missed the subject off. Hi Jilly, Knew there was something on these lines, but had to look it up: An Act of 1710 allowed the Lord of the Manor to appoint a Gamekeeper (with authority to kill game on the manor) whose name had to be registered with the Clerk of the Peace. One of mine worked for Lord Spencer in Northants and he had a written appointment. On the back it was endorsed by the local Clerk of the Peace. I found this document in the Northants Record Office, so it might be worth checking the local County R.O, if that's any help. Rita

Hi Jilly, Knew there was something on these lines, but had to look it up: An Act of 1710 allowed the Lord of the Manor to appoint a Gamekeeper (with authority to kill game on the manor) whose name had to be registered with the Clerk of the Peace. One of mine worked for Lord Spencer in Northants and he had a written appointment. On the back it was endorsed by the local Clerk of the Peace. I found this document in the Northants Record Office, so it might be worth checking the local County R.O, if that's any help. Rita

Hi All, In case anyone missed my note of thanks, it was great of you all to help me out. Best wishes Vic Kent, UK

Can anyone tell me anything about the 'Boat Builders Arms', Oxford Street, Bilston. One of my rellis (a woman) was the publican there on the 1901 Census. Is it still there or has it long gone. Rita

If you manage to find a connection with a samuel JARVIS in north Shropshire (siring an offspring in 1805), please drop me a line. Ron S Original Message: ----------------- From: Graham Stanley graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:52:22 -0000 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] Roll Call Dear List Here's my crew: STANLEY - Bloxwich c18th, Walsall c19th, Coventry c20th; JARVIS - Birmingham & Walsall c19th, Coventry c20th; LUCAS - Birmingham & Walsall c18th & c19th; BOWEN - Birmingham c19th Would really like some help with the Jarvis', have only found them back to 1881 - they don't seem to have believed in Civil Registration! Head of the family, William Charles Jarvis, claims to have been born in Rushall near Walsall c.1857. Best wishes Graham ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Hi Jilly, my great grandfather was gamekeeper to Lord Halifax in Yorkshire and as far as I know all gamekeepers were employed by landowners. Also note that your HENRY PARKER was gamekeeper in Thurlaston. Is that in Leicestershire? I have a Henry Parker son of my 4th great grandfather in Smisby, Leicestershire. Just wondering? Yorkie

The only major fair held in the BC is on 9th April at Dunstall Racecourse. Wolverhampton, 10 - 5. Free car parking and a cafe onsite, even a bar if you fancy a pint. The organiser is thinking of dropping this fair from the circuit because over ther last 2 years attendance by the public has dropped so use it or loose it. There's still a full compliment of stall holders and F.H.S.'s attending. geez Cal, its ram packed! thats not a small attendance!! and dow drink the tea an coffee its too expensive tek a flask, actually ar tek a flask stop yower husband drinkin me tea! LOL I will be there LOL scarey huh????? Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?