Shelia One went out via the other way 130 Coseley Richard b. 1822 Sedgley, a miner Ellen b. 1825 Sedgley Sarah b. 1844 Sedgley Jerusha b. 1849 Sedgley another Evans on the same street William married to Hannah

Hello I wonder if someone would be kind enough to do a look-up on the 1851 for a Richard and Ellen Evans and their children. They were married on 16 July 1843 in The Collegiate Church in the Parish of Wolverhampton. Both are shown as full age. They had a daughter called Sarah who was born around 1845 in Sedgley, Staffordshire. Thank you so much. Sheila Waites

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Hi Judy I don't have a marriage certificate so I can't confirm the link for sure, but all the ages & places seem to fit. I was trying to find out what happened to all the BASSET children after their parents died. Emma was the youngest surviving one and she shows up on the 1861 census with her mother Sarah, who had remarried to Thomas Taylor LEES, a carpenter from Willenhall. Emma is on the census as Emma Basset LEES, after that she seems to vanish. I couldn't find her in 1871 under BASSET or LEES, and couldn't find a death, so I looked for a marriage in Wolverhampton district. The only one was in 1871 and of the two possible grooms on the page the only one which matched up with the 1871 & 81 census was to Henry Thomas TRUBSHAW. There's also a death registration for an Emma TRUBSHAW in Wolverhampton in March quarter 1882. In the same quarter & district there's a death of Abel Horry TRUBSHAW, aged 0, so that's possibly what she died from. I have a photo of Eliza, Emma's older sister, very solemn and obviously in mourning. We've often wondered what the occasion was - her parents died when she was much younger, her husband outlived her, and none of her children predeceased her - I'm wondering now if it was taken for Emma's funeral which would be about the right date. Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Evans" <judy.evans27@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: RE: [B.C.] TRUBSHAW in Willenhall > Hi Tracy > I'm a descendent of the Willenhall Trubshaws! My GG Grandmother was Sarah > the sister of John who married Caroline. I have Henry Thomas married to an > Emma in 1871 but I don't have a specific date or surname. They had 4 > children: Mary Maria 1872, Alice 1874, Emma Gertrude 1876 then John Henry > 1879. Emma might have died as I then have Henry Thomas marrying Mary Bell > in > 1884 and a son Bertram being born in 1887. > Please get in touch Tracy, I may have more information somewhere, > Judy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tracy Little [mailto:jandt@cennick.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: 02 April 2006 10:31 > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B.C.] TRUBSHAW in Willenhall > > Does anyone out there recognise Henry Thomas TRUBSHAW (born abt 1851), son > of John and Caroline? According to the 1871 census he is at home with > them > and unmarried - the census was taken on April 2. > > However, according to the BMD index he married in the March Quarter of the > same year to Emma BASSETT who I think may be the sister of my gg > grandmother. On the 1871 census Emma TRUBSHAW is recorded as a servant > (married) with another family just round the corner. At the time she was > 21 > > and Henry was only 20. Their first child was born in the September > quarter > > of 1871. > > At first sight it looks as though Emma got pregnant and Henry married her > on > > the quiet (although her employers obviously knew) but he didn't tell his > own > > parents as he was under age at the time. >

Hi Tracy I'm a descendent of the Willenhall Trubshaws! My GG Grandmother was Sarah the sister of John who married Caroline. I have Henry Thomas married to an Emma in 1871 but I don't have a specific date or surname. They had 4 children: Mary Maria 1872, Alice 1874, Emma Gertrude 1876 then John Henry 1879. Emma might have died as I then have Henry Thomas marrying Mary Bell in 1884 and a son Bertram being born in 1887. Please get in touch Tracy, I may have more information somewhere, Judy -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Little [mailto:jandt@cennick.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 02 April 2006 10:31 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] TRUBSHAW in Willenhall Does anyone out there recognise Henry Thomas TRUBSHAW (born abt 1851), son of John and Caroline? According to the 1871 census he is at home with them and unmarried - the census was taken on April 2. However, according to the BMD index he married in the March Quarter of the same year to Emma BASSETT who I think may be the sister of my gg grandmother. On the 1871 census Emma TRUBSHAW is recorded as a servant (married) with another family just round the corner. At the time she was 21 and Henry was only 20. Their first child was born in the September quarter of 1871. At first sight it looks as though Emma got pregnant and Henry married her on the quiet (although her employers obviously knew) but he didn't tell his own parents as he was under age at the time. Any alternative suggestions very welcome! Tracy ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk

Does anyone out there recognise Henry Thomas TRUBSHAW (born abt 1851), son of John and Caroline? According to the 1871 census he is at home with them and unmarried - the census was taken on April 2. However, according to the BMD index he married in the March Quarter of the same year to Emma BASSETT who I think may be the sister of my gg grandmother. On the 1871 census Emma TRUBSHAW is recorded as a servant (married) with another family just round the corner. At the time she was 21 and Henry was only 20. Their first child was born in the September quarter of 1871. At first sight it looks as though Emma got pregnant and Henry married her on the quiet (although her employers obviously knew) but he didn't tell his own parents as he was under age at the time. Any alternative suggestions very welcome! Tracy

Hallo Judy, With regard to your enquiry regarding Henry Thomas I have found two Henry Thomas's who married an Emma in 1871. One was Emma Shepherd in the quarter ending 30th of June 1871 (Bridgnorth Register Office Volume 6a, page 1191), the other was Emma Jane Olive in the quarter ending 31st of December 1871 (Thornbury Register Office Volume 6a, page 437). Regards, David in Brierley Hill

Hi Gwynne, Thanks for that information.I think this answers my query and confirms that the birth I am researching did in fact occur in the Workhouse. I agree with everyone who is dismayed that Wordsley Hospital is no more.Like so many others,I was born there and have been a patient in recent years where I received the utmost care. I have also read somewhere that it might be a suitable place for the re-location of Dudley Archives and I agree that it would be. Regards to all, Sue. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006

Rita This site gives you some information http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Stourbridge/Stourbridge.shtml There's also this one http://www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/england/worcs/stourbridge_uwh.htm and it appears that TNA have some records http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details asp?id=677&page=72 Hope these links help a bit Maggs -------Original Message------- From: Greenways6@aol.com Date: 01 April 2006 19:07:31 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] Stourbridge Union Workhouse What is the position with regard to Stourbridge Union Workhouse records. Have they survived? Also has anyone else heard any more about the whereabouts of the workhouse records for West Bromwich which are listed as being at Smethwick archives. The last time I asked at Smethwick (quite a while back) they denied all knowledge of them. Rita ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) .

All I've replied to Sheila off line but thought others might want to look at this site: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Bromsgrove/Bromsgrove.shtml looks like it gives plenty of info about the Workhouse. Regards Maggs -------Original Message------- From: Sheila Willmore Date: 01 April 2006 18:55:13 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] Bromsgrove Workhouse Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know where Bromsgrove Workhouse was situated? I used to live in Bromsgrove and would be interested to know where it was in relation to the present town. Sheila ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! .

Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know where Bromsgrove Workhouse was situated? I used to live in Bromsgrove and would be interested to know where it was in relation to the present town. Sheila

I have been trying to sort out and make some progress with my DUNN line. Here's the definite stuff: Ellen DUNN born in Kinver 1850 married into my WALTON family in 1876. Ellen had three siblings that I know of: Emma 1837 Ann 1840 William 1845 All were born in Kinver. Edward and his daughter Ann later moved to Wollaston and there are some grandchildren born there too but I have no idea whether they belong to William or are illegitimate and belong to Ann. Their parents were Edward DUNN born in Kinver in 1814 and Ellen who was born in Bridgnorth in 1817. I suspect that Edward was the son of Edward and Elizabeth DUNN of Kinver. Any bells ringing for anyone? Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker

A very sad time indeed , my youngest daughter and grandchildren where all born at Wordsley the rest of my family where born Burton Road another sad state of affairs neither hospital should of been knocked down There was some talk of it beening used for a private hospital but this was dropped , and a housing estate is beening built , the Clock Tower is safe for know has its listed and they are building round it , but how long this will last I don't know , councils do what ever they want to do regardless The baby section what was a new building is beening altered into an apartment block so I have been told and it will be a few months before things start to happen Cassy ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris" <edwards05@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] Re: Stourbridge Union Workhouse > Hi all, > I was saddened as I drove past Wordsley Hospital to see it closed and I > believe due for demolition. The children of many Black Country families > were born there (me and mine included). > I am not sure what will happen to the Workhouse buildings and Clock Tower > I am sure they are classed as "listed buildings." I know there was a call > to have the Archives and Records moved there instead of Summerhill School. > Best wishes, > Chris > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > >

What is the position with regard to Stourbridge Union Workhouse records. Have they survived? Also has anyone else heard any more about the whereabouts of the workhouse records for West Bromwich which are listed as being at Smethwick archives. The last time I asked at Smethwick (quite a while back) they denied all knowledge of them. Rita

Hi folks, I am looking for any listers whose surname is Bytheway. In my Family tree I have Phoebe Bytheway (a widow nee Guest from Sun Lane) and she married my gt gt grandfather William Longmore 1n 1854. She had two daughters before this marriage, Mary and Maria. Mary married Matthew Noakes (I wonder was he any relation to John and Shep) and lived a few doors away in Sun Lane with Phoebe's Father William Guest (1871 census). Thanks in advance Talk to you soon BILL ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Sue, who said; > > I suspect that they put an address on the birth certificates of Workhouse > babies to save embarrassment in the future when the person might have to > produce their certificates. > True. I quote from an announcement in the Bridgnorth Journal (Shropshire) dated 24 September 1904. "Registration of Births in Workhouses. The Registrar-General has now received the sanction of the Local Government Board to alter the regulation for registrars, so that all direct reference to the workhouse shall be omitted from the entries recording births that occur in workhouses. An alternative description of the place of birth in these cases, as suggested by the various boards of guardians, will be provided. This concession will be greatly appreciated by poor-law reformers, and will, moreover, remove the disability from which children born in the workhouse suffer in after-life." End quote. All the best, Gwynne Chadwick Transcribing the Bridgnorth (Shropshire) town census. http://www.chadwickg.freeserve.co.uk

Hi everyone! No, I'm not a month behind the times, I'd just like to thank everyone who sent me a birthday greeting last month. cheers, Phil -- Phil & Anne Irons, Sydney, Nova Scotia Remember: Professionals built the Titanic; an Amateur built the Ark!

Hi all, I was saddened as I drove past Wordsley Hospital to see it closed and I believe due for demolition. The children of many Black Country families were born there (me and mine included). I am not sure what will happen to the Workhouse buildings and Clock Tower I am sure they are classed as "listed buildings." I know there was a call to have the Archives and Records moved there instead of Summerhill School. Best wishes, Chris

Hi All Its Birthday time again have tried to check the email addresses has I think some of you have changed them so have left the old ones in Happy Birthday to all our Birthday people Have a Great Day with plenty of laughs Happy Birthday Everyone Cassy 1, Lizzie englandborn@hotmail.com 2, Jo Simpson jo@simpson14.freeserve.co.uk 5, Vanessa Morgan Vanessa.Morgan1@btopenworld.com 7, Tony Matthews 1959 tony@matthews92.fsnet.co.uk 7, Dave Dudley 1937 dcdudley@sympatico.co 7, Clare Emery 1956 clare@emeryc.freeserve.co.uk 10, Rose Taylor 1956 rvw56@ozemail.co.au 10, Chris Ramsbotton famhist@dsl.pipex.comm 14, Mattie 1984 mattie@capcod.net 17, Melinda Baker 1952 mgbaker_2000@yahoo.com 20, Dave Oram 1958 dao@blueyonder.co.u,k 21, Linda lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk 22rd Ryan Hill hillryan@blueyonder.co.uk 24, Rita Bailey greenways6@aol.com 24, Judith Blakeman jm@blakeman.fsnet.co.uk 27, Tina Tucker 1960 Killaloe@btinternet.co 30, Joanne Snyder 1960 JoSnAzlee@aol.com Can everyone send there greeting off list please

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