Hi all; The main road that runs through Netherton is the Halesowen road, from the canal bridge (Bishtons bridge) heading north to Dudley was Danks boiler co. which span both sides of the road. Next to that was Noah Hingleys as Nigel has pointed out, directly over the road was Netherton goods yard where the Old worse & worse (Oxford, Worcester & Wolverhampton) railway ran, then it changed to Gods Wonderful Railway (Great Western Railway). Next to the goods yard was 2 coal pits belonging to Hingleys. As the road went up Netherton high street it met at the junction of Northfield road and it was here that the market place was held and where horses were requisitioned in WW1. A 100 or so yards on the left was Sweet Turf, originally pasture for cattle and so named as Nigel & Neville pointed out. Further along were the board schools and then the road came into Cinderbank, in a field on the left was Netherton Hall an old stately building and was used for storing of bodies in its latter days ! when cholera was rife in Dudley and they buried the bodies in St Andrews Netherton. Opposite was the earliest church in the Netherton area, the Baptist church knocked down a few years back now. The outer limits of Netherton was Peartree Lane & Park Head. Regards Mel

Hello all Well, Tum Pepper seems to have company. I've never heard of Cracker Dan but he sounds a bit more fierce than Tum. Was he thrown out of hell also? I like your suggestion Jo, about 'orrismontle' being 'horizontal' Perhaps there was a connotation to this phrase that my innocent five year old ears failed to pick up! So tell me this. Why did the bad weather always come from the 'back of Bill's Mother's'? i.e.. "It looks a bit black over the back of Bill's Mother's" It didn't matter where you were at the time. This is one of life's little puzzles that needs solving. All the best Patsy

A very Black Country one is. She/he would set fire to their Grannies Nightie for a halfpenny. Or if they were on fire I wouldn't pee on them. Lovely Lot. Doreen

Nigel, You mentioned that Noah Hingley's brother was your ancestor. I wonder whether you would be kind enough to clear up a matter which I don't know was ever resolved. It concerns Noah's parents. Were they Isaac & Esther or Noah & Ann.. I have that Noah was baptised on 16th April 1797 at St Giles Church, Rowley son of Noah & Ann Is this correct ? Thanking in anticipation of your comment. Neville.

Along the similar lines, but I think more of Brummy saying, which is not very savoury: I wouldn't give him (her) the drippings of me nose! Down here in Kent they say: He(she) lies like a cheap carpet! Best regards, Vic, Kent, UK Ex pat. Brum and Stourbridge.

Thanks for that Neville. Most appreciated. Best wishes Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker Will I ever get out of that front door! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Bastable" <nevbastable@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: [B.C.] Sweet Turf, Netherton > Linda and Nigel, > Adding to what Nigel has said, there is an area in Cinder Bank, > Netherton near where Netherton Hall once stood which was also called Sweet > Turf. > Neville Bastable > > >

WOW Nigel! When I asked the question I didn't expect anything quite like this! This is lovely stuff even if it wasn't lovely for those ancestors of mine who lived there! Thank you so much for your time and trouble in sending all of this, It is most appreciated. BTW I think one of my other lot may have been a servant for your Hingley's but I need to check my records first to confirm. I may just be having a premature senior moment! Best wishes Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Brown" <nigel-brown@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: RE: [B.C.] Sweet Turf, Netherton > Dear Linda, > > -----Original Message-----Not knowing the area, would someone be so kind > as > to let me know how Sweet Turf got its name and what sort of area it was in > the mid 19th century?----- > > The name Sweet Turf was so called from the local farm pastureland, which > was > known for the succulent quality of its grass. (Text taken from Sweet Turf > web site which has unfortunately changed location or no longer exists.) It > is close to Mousesweet Brook, the name of which presumably has similar > origins. > > These names pre-date the industrial revolution since we are extremely > close > here to where Mousesweet Brook meets the River Stour at Cradley Forge, a > key > place in Dud Dudley's pioneering work in smelting iron from coal rather > than > charcoal in about 1620, the advance that made the industrial revolution > possible (although in the history books most of the credit went to Abraham > Darby who smelted iron using coke in 1709 at Coalbrookdale in Shropshire). > Thus, Dud Dudley has been described as a man "ahead of his time". > > In the mid-nineteenth century this area was at the heart of what Elihu > Burritt, the American Consul in Birmingham in the 1860s, described as "the > region of iron and smoke", where Nature is "scourged with the cat-o'nine > tails of red-hot wire, and marred and scarred and fretted, and smoked half > to death day and night, year and year, even on Sundays. Almost every > square > inch of her form is reddened, blackened and distorted". The iron > industries > were based on local mining of coal, iron and limestone, and local skills > in > nail making going back some hundreds of years. Later on (1909), 90% of all > Britain's iron chain and cable were produced in the 2 or 3 square miles > encompassing Netherton and the other four chain making townships of > Cradley, > Cradley Heath, Quarry Bank and Old Hill. In 1852 my great, great, great, > great grandfather's brother Noah Hingley moved his chain works from > Cradley > to Netherton and it went on to produce 20-25% of the entire British output > of wrought iron. And Sweet Turf was just down the road! > > I hope this helps. > > Nigel Brown > ENG-WOR-CRADLEY@rootsweb.com

Ted, I'm a bit busy today, off out in 2 minutes in fact but if you can leave me with this I'll send you details of what is indexed and also some census images of the possibilities. It might be tomorrow before you get them but I will do it. So watch out for attachments from me in your mail, they will be clean and safe. Best wishes Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> To: "LindaFH" <lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] James JEWKES > Morning Linda, > Thanks for looking, there is a chance that both Sarah and James were dead > by 1851, after all 60 was a good age at that period. They would be my > maternal Gt. Gt Grandparents. and I am afraid that I have no other > information > If I get any more may I come back to you. > Thanks again > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LindaFH" <lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com>; > <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [B.C.] James JEWKES > > >> Ted >> Is Sarah definitely still alive in 1851 and do you know that they were >> definitely in Dudley? If she is, do you have any further information on >> her? I ask because I can't find anything that fits at present but a >> little more information might help weed things out a little. >> Regards >> Linda >> Staffs UK >> Researching: >> Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants >> Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller >> Morgan Simmons Baker >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> >> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 PM >> Subject: [B.C.] James JEWKES >> >> >>> Hello, >>> If some kind person has access to the 1851 census for Dudley, could they >>> please look for JAMES JEWKES, with a wife named SARAH. He would be aged >>> 60+ and in 1843 is named as a shoemaker. I am trying to find other >>> details such as where he originated. >>> Hope some one can help >>> Thanks >>> Ted >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 03/04/2006 >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 03/04/2006 > >

Linda and Nigel, Adding to what Nigel has said, there is an area in Cinder Bank, Netherton near where Netherton Hall once stood which was also called Sweet Turf. Neville Bastable

Morning Linda, Thanks for looking, there is a chance that both Sarah and James were dead by 1851, after all 60 was a good age at that period. They would be my maternal Gt. Gt Grandparents. and I am afraid that I have no other information If I get any more may I come back to you. Thanks again Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaFH" <lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com>; <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [B.C.] James JEWKES > Ted > Is Sarah definitely still alive in 1851 and do you know that they were > definitely in Dudley? If she is, do you have any further information on > her? I ask because I can't find anything that fits at present but a little > more information might help weed things out a little. > Regards > Linda > Staffs UK > Researching: > Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants > Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller > Morgan Simmons Baker > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 PM > Subject: [B.C.] James JEWKES > > >> Hello, >> If some kind person has access to the 1851 census for Dudley, could they >> please look for JAMES JEWKES, with a wife named SARAH. He would be aged >> 60+ and in 1843 is named as a shoemaker. I am trying to find other >> details such as where he originated. >> Hope some one can help >> Thanks >> Ted > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 03/04/2006 >

Still trying to figure which William married Charlotte Whitehouse to produce the brood from which I cometh. The info from Salt Lake says they married in June of 1811 probably in the Tipton area but I cannot find them. I have all their childrens christening records. My gggrandfather was Silas Fereday who married Louisa Preece in 1852. She died I believe giving birth to William Fereday born in April of 1853. William then goes and lives with his uncle William Henry Fereday and his wife Charlotte (Lea.) The group goes to the US and settles in Pennsylvania where Silas marries widow Ann Griffiths. In the next generation William son of Silas marries Mattie Griffith of Kentucky. The "kicker" is there are Whitehouses in this area who are neighbors and can be traced back to the Black Country. One day, the thread will be tied. Wanda

> 'yo'm a bigga liar thun Tum Pepper' As distinct from "a bigger liar than Cracker Dan"? Ron S -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Hello, I notice there is discussion on Feredays lately and thought I might add my own people. I have an ancestor, Benjamin FEREDAY, born West Bromwich 1773 to Edward and Ann FEREDAY. Benjamin married Sarah BRINTON in 1796 at St Bartholomew's, Edgbaston. Does anyone connect with this family please? I would also be very interested to see the parish records Malcolm Carr mentions, if anyone can help me. Regards, Jennie

Hi Mellie & Wanda, thanks for your emails. Very sorry it has taken so long to reply to you both, but have been quite bury studying at university. Unfortunately, I know so little about my FEREDAY line, I cannot connect with yours. Thanks Wanda, for finding & sending all those images of parish records, I found amongst them a Richard FEREDAY christened in Tipton 27th March 1804 to Benjamin & Sarah FEREDAY. When the 1841 Census becomes available, maybe it would shed more light on my Richard & Rebecca FEREDAY. (According to John ARNOLD & Rebecca FEREDAY's marriage cert 23rd December 1849, Richard was already deceased, & had been a miner). I had a look on the West Midlands BMD, & found several deaths for Richard FEREDAYs: 1842 death: Richard FEREDAY (sub-district) Sedgley; (registers at) Dudley; (reference) SEG/006/307 1843 death: Richard FEREDAY (sub-district) Sedgley; (registers at) Dudley; (reference) SEG/008/60 1846 death: Richard T FEREDAY (sub-district) Dudley; (registers at) Dudley; (reference) DUD/014/235 I also found this, for which I also have the certificate (this is where I got Richard, her father's name from): 1849 marriage: John ARNOLD & Rebecca FEREDAY @ St Thomas, Dudley; (registers at) Dudley; (reference) 204/009/459 On FreeBMD deaths: March Q 1842, Richard FEREDAY, Dudley, vol. 18, page 295 September Q 1843, Richard FEREDAY, Dudley, vol. 18, page 199 September Q 1846, Richard Thomas FEREDAY, Dudley, vol. 18, page 202 I don't know how to be sure which death is for the correct Richard. The certificate may tell, it may not? I'm not sure what my next plan of attack is. Thanks again for your help. Kind regards, Malcolm Carr (Christchurch, New Zealand)

Dear Linda, -----Original Message-----Not knowing the area, would someone be so kind as to let me know how Sweet Turf got its name and what sort of area it was in the mid 19th century?----- The name Sweet Turf was so called from the local farm pastureland, which was known for the succulent quality of its grass. (Text taken from Sweet Turf web site which has unfortunately changed location or no longer exists.) It is close to Mousesweet Brook, the name of which presumably has similar origins. These names pre-date the industrial revolution since we are extremely close here to where Mousesweet Brook meets the River Stour at Cradley Forge, a key place in Dud Dudley's pioneering work in smelting iron from coal rather than charcoal in about 1620, the advance that made the industrial revolution possible (although in the history books most of the credit went to Abraham Darby who smelted iron using coke in 1709 at Coalbrookdale in Shropshire). Thus, Dud Dudley has been described as a man "ahead of his time". In the mid-nineteenth century this area was at the heart of what Elihu Burritt, the American Consul in Birmingham in the 1860s, described as "the region of iron and smoke", where Nature is "scourged with the cat-o'nine tails of red-hot wire, and marred and scarred and fretted, and smoked half to death day and night, year and year, even on Sundays. Almost every square inch of her form is reddened, blackened and distorted". The iron industries were based on local mining of coal, iron and limestone, and local skills in nail making going back some hundreds of years. Later on (1909), 90% of all Britain's iron chain and cable were produced in the 2 or 3 square miles encompassing Netherton and the other four chain making townships of Cradley, Cradley Heath, Quarry Bank and Old Hill. In 1852 my great, great, great, great grandfather's brother Noah Hingley moved his chain works from Cradley to Netherton and it went on to produce 20-25% of the entire British output of wrought iron. And Sweet Turf was just down the road! I hope this helps. Nigel Brown ENG-WOR-CRADLEY@rootsweb.com

Not knowing the area, would someone be so kind as to let me know how Sweet Turf got its name and what sort of area it was in the mid 19th century? Thanks in advance Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker

LOL or was it Horizontal? Jo :) http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jo14 I use Archive CD Books to do my family history research http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER" <roger@rhmiddleton.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: [B.C.] Non-gen- what they used to say > Hello listers > I've been thinking about stuff my Nan, a feisty Brades Village woman, used > to say. > > If someone was putting on airs and graces she would say > 'Ers gone all orrismontle' > Now was Horace Montle (Mantle) a person? > Was this her version of another word? > Or did she just make it up! > > While we're on the subject I know someone who regularly says > 'yo'm a bigga liar thun Tum Pepper' > So who he? > > Any ideas? > > All the best > Patsy > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > >

Hello listers I've been thinking about stuff my Nan, a feisty Brades Village woman, used to say. If someone was putting on airs and graces she would say 'Ers gone all orrismontle' Now was Horace Montle (Mantle) a person? Was this her version of another word? Or did she just make it up! While we're on the subject I know someone who regularly says 'yo'm a bigga liar thun Tum Pepper' So who he? Any ideas? All the best Patsy

Ted Is Sarah definitely still alive in 1851 and do you know that they were definitely in Dudley? If she is, do you have any further information on her? I ask because I can't find anything that fits at present but a little more information might help weed things out a little. Regards Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: [B.C.] James JEWKES > Hello, > If some kind person has access to the 1851 census for Dudley, could they > please look for JAMES JEWKES, with a wife named SARAH. He would be aged > 60+ and in 1843 is named as a shoemaker. I am trying to find other details > such as where he originated. > Hope some one can help > Thanks > Ted

Hello, If some kind person has access to the 1851 census for Dudley, could they please look for JAMES JEWKES, with a wife named SARAH. He would be aged 60+ and in 1843 is named as a shoemaker. I am trying to find other details such as where he originated. Hope some one can help Thanks Ted