Marion, Patience is not in the GRO index in London. Perhaps someone could go to the records office in Dudley or one near by and see if they have records which are not in the GRO index. Remember GRO is only an index so may be something miss. check this site you may find something _http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php_ (http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php) if not BMSGH (Birmingham Midland family history Society ) may be able to help. FYI my family from Rowley Regis in 1850's were Baptised at Dudley 'Top Church' so just because your family were from Rowley does not mean their church was there. Sorry just a thought if you cannot find Patience in 1861 census have you found a death? Sorry I have not been more help Regards Fiona Caskey X-Message: #5 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:02:38 -0500 From: "Centric" <centric@rea-alp.com> To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <010e01c65a86$9de55dd0$4a11a03f@dudley> Subject: Patience PARKS/ES b. abt. 1841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, I am still trying to locate a birth certificate for my above-named gggg.aunt. All that I know about her is that she was born in "Dudley" abt. 1841 - (1841 & 1851 UK Census), to Thos. & Sarah PARKS/ES. At the time the family was living in "Freebodies" nr. the Dixon's Green/Kates Hill area of Dudley. I do not recall any place there named that back when I used to live there, where is it? Sometimes iDixon's Green is reckoned to be in RowleyRegis, also. Does anyone know which Parish it would fall into? St. John's was my family's church, do you feel that is where she may have been baptised? Any help would be appreciated. I cannot locate her in the FreeBMD or on ancestry.com, other than in the UK Census'. Many thanks, Marion

Hello Marion Dixon's Green was in the St John's Parish and I believe there was a Pub called the Freebodies in St John's Road, Kates Hill and the area around it was known has Freebodies Regards Bill Morris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Centric" <centric@rea-alp.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: [B.C.] Patience PARKS/ES b. abt. 1841 > Hi all, > I am still trying to locate a birth certificate for my above-named > gggg.aunt. All that I know about her is that she was born in "Dudley" > abt. 1841 - (1841 & 1851 UK Census), to Thos. & Sarah PARKS/ES. At the > time the family was living in "Freebodies" nr. the Dixon's Green/Kates > Hill area of Dudley. I do not recall any place there named that back > when I used to live there, where is it? > Sometimes iDixon's Green is reckoned to be in RowleyRegis, also. Does > anyone know which Parish it would fall into? St. John's was my family's > church, do you feel that is where she may have been baptised? Any help > would be appreciated. I cannot locate her in the FreeBMD or on > ancestry.com, other than in the UK Census'. > Many thanks, > Marion > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 06/04/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 06/04/2006

> The order of the day is: > > 1 arrive ! (you dont say!) > 2 annoy Ron Oneill > 3 annoy Ron Oneill > 4 annoy Ron Oneill > 5 leave! > > sounds like a good day out ROTFL > While yowm 'avin' a goo at me yowm leavin' everybody else alone ay ya. I'll 'ave a word with the organiser an get ya barred. :0)))) Why woe we recognise ya Mell, am ya all tanned or av yer had ya aircut. ard recognise yow from the other side of the racecourse, if I couldn't see yer ferce I'd 'ear ya gob O:)))))) Wolfie it ud better be yow that brings the kids reins, keep Mell in check. LOL xx Ron (on Carols computer) LOL yow'll rekonize me matey LOL its wuf thats gooin all posh frock LOL Arl be me usual smilin self LOLno haircut LOLstill look like a dulux dog ROTFL while im avin a goo at yow my hubby gets a bit a peace, he just ay got my sense of humour! just ses "she's english, shes crazy" to explain everythin i do then chuntas at me in arabic, thinks ar dow know wot hes sayin LOL hey he wos in that restaurnat yow bin to when he foned earlier, i cud ear the chant for the mosque, scared me i thought he was gooin LOL He wos still loffin when he put the fone down!!!!! kiddie reins day werk wen i wos a kid they dow werk now LOL naw I ay got a tan LOL it was winter when i wos in tunisia, lol and I did get married lol day see much outside ROTFL I ay dressin up, i atta dress up in a buddy suit at werk! stuff that its me wikend off and i ay wearin a suit, besides the buddy pipes bost at the caravan i gott crawl about under there afta and fix it! buddy flowa will be rottin! I ay payin a plumma 50 quid to tell me the buddy pipes bost, the werta round me feet told me that! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

You won't recognise me anyway. Let's just say I'll be looking a little different. Wolfie...................the quiet one Now mom thats not very nice! this IS a private jo,ke from elsewhere, but you will know us cos I will be the one standin one end of dunstall shoutin M O M and wuf will be at teh other end trying to turn me to stone with "the Look" ROTFL it aint worked yet and sunday aint looking good for its first time either ROTFL you gonna be all dressed up posh? cos you gotta go to that do? no wolves shirt LOL that will kill ya LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

You won't recognise me anyway. Let's just say I'll be looking a little different. Wolfie...................the quiet one -----Original Message----- From: Mellie [mailto:chouikh2006@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:44 PM To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] DUNSTALL OK HANDS UP WHO IS GOING TO DUNSTALL ON SUNDAY? NO not YOU Wuflie, I Know you are going, I have to get the baby reins out to keep you in check LOL The order of the day is: 1 arrive ! (you dont say!) 2 annoy Ron Oneill 3 annoy Ron Oneill 4 annoy Ron Oneill 5 leave! sounds like a good day out ROTFL seriously (ok semi-seriously!) which BC'ers are gonna be there? just so I know who to avoid LOL I'll be easy to find, just find Ron Oneill and look at who hes losing it at ROTFLMFAO it gives cal a break LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 06/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 06/04/2006

OK HANDS UP WHO IS GOING TO DUNSTALL ON SUNDAY? NO not YOU Wuflie, I Know you are going, I have to get the baby reins out to keep you in check LOL The order of the day is: 1 arrive ! (you dont say!) 2 annoy Ron Oneill 3 annoy Ron Oneill 4 annoy Ron Oneill 5 leave! sounds like a good day out ROTFL seriously (ok semi-seriously!) which BC'ers are gonna be there? just so I know who to avoid LOL I'll be easy to find, just find Ron Oneill and look at who hes losing it at ROTFLMFAO it gives cal a break LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Hi all, I am still trying to locate a birth certificate for my above-named gggg.aunt. All that I know about her is that she was born in "Dudley" abt. 1841 - (1841 & 1851 UK Census), to Thos. & Sarah PARKS/ES. At the time the family was living in "Freebodies" nr. the Dixon's Green/Kates Hill area of Dudley. I do not recall any place there named that back when I used to live there, where is it? Sometimes iDixon's Green is reckoned to be in RowleyRegis, also. Does anyone know which Parish it would fall into? St. John's was my family's church, do you feel that is where she may have been baptised? Any help would be appreciated. I cannot locate her in the FreeBMD or on ancestry.com, other than in the UK Census'. Many thanks, Marion

I would be really grateful if SKS is visiting the Archives who would be willing to look up a marriage for me. John PUGH and Martha PEAKMAN were married at St. Mary's, Handsworth 23rd June, 1834 according to the IGI. I would like to know the names of any witnesses and whether the marriage was by banns or by license. Many thanks, Maureen

Found a possible link into my Jewkes line, and IGI info, which I have sent to Ted off list. Kind Regards Kay -----Original Message----- From: LindaFH [mailto:lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 03 April 2006 19:12 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] James JEWKES Ted Is Sarah definitely still alive in 1851 and do you know that they were definitely in Dudley? If she is, do you have any further information on her? I ask because I can't find anything that fits at present but a little more information might help weed things out a little. Regards Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: [B.C.] James JEWKES > Hello, > If some kind person has access to the 1851 census for Dudley, could they > please look for JAMES JEWKES, with a wife named SARAH. He would be aged > 60+ and in 1843 is named as a shoemaker. I am trying to find other details > such as where he originated. > Hope some one can help > Thanks > Ted ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/301 - Release Date: 04/04/2006

I certainly don't know who Tom Pepper was, but he continued to be a bigga liar in Yorkshire too, brought by my grandparents. But as we had a greengrocer of the same name, thought it was something to do with that, we live and learn. Cheers Kay BILSTON (Whitwick, Leics) CANNEY (Witcham, Cambs) CLUFF/CLOUGH (Whaplode Drove, Lincs/Helpston, Northants) HARDING (Tydd St Giles/St Mary, Cambs/Mildenhall, Suffolk/Eckington/Doncaster ) HESELWOOD (Beighton, Derbyshire/Attercliffe Sheffield/Doncaster) HOLROYD (Attercliffe Sheffield/Doncaster) HULL (Welshes Dam, Cambs/Whitkirk. Leicestershire) JEWKES, (Dudley) JONES (Dudley, Worcs/Eckington/Doncaster) MALTPRESS (Witcham, Cambs) MAW(E) (Thorpe Hesley/Salvin, Notts/Attercliffe Sheffield) MINETT (Ely, Cambs) MOAKES (Eckington, Derbyshire/Treversall, Nottinghamshire) MORTON (Sheffield) NEWELL/NOWELL/NOWILL/NOEL (Walsall, Staffs./Eckington, Derbyshire/Doncaster) OKEY (Ely, Cambs) PAINTER (Wednesbury) PASHLEY (Swallownest/Parkgate Rotherham) PEMBLETON (Teversal/Farnsfield, Notts) REYNOLDS (Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk) ROBINSON (Walsall, Staffs) ROLLASON (Dudley) RUMBELOW (Cambridgeshire/Suffolk) SAXTON (Whiston, Yorks) SIMPKINS/SIMPKIN/SIMKINS (Witcham/Woodditton, Cambs.) SMITH (Maxey, Northants/ Whaplode Drove, Lincs/Doncaster) STUBLEY (Lincs/Cambs) SWANN (Sheffield) TURNER (Stokesley, Sheffield) WALLIS (Witham, Cambs) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER" <roger@rhmiddleton.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: [B.C.] Non-gen- what they used to say > Hello listers > I've been thinking about stuff my Nan, a feisty Brades Village woman, used > to say. > > If someone was putting on airs and graces she would say > 'Ers gone all orrismontle' > Now was Horace Montle (Mantle) a person? > Was this her version of another word? > Or did she just make it up! > > While we're on the subject I know someone who regularly says > 'yo'm a bigga liar thun Tum Pepper' > So who he? > > Any ideas? > > All the best > Patsy > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/301 - Release Date: 04/04/2006

Hi folks Firstly please forgive the slight ramblings :) For years I have been trying to find my Maternal Grandfather's elder sister. Her name was Eleanor Maud YATES ("Nellie") she was born in late 1883 in Wolverhampton, daughter of Joseph & Merab (nee FOSTER.) In Dec 1904 (aged 21) she was a witness at her elder brother's wedding in Wolverhampton. After this she seemed to have disappeared. According to my Mother she was never spoken of in the family for some reason. Now, I loosened a few bricks in the wall and found her wedding! It was held at St Lawrence's Church, Darlaston on the 26 Mar 1905. She married a Thomas BATES, Bachelor, a House Painter (age 25) son of James BATES of Willenhall Street, Darlaston. Eleanor's details were - Spinster (aged 21) dau of Joseph YATES (deceased in 1891) The address she gives is 8 Cramp Hill, Darlaston. The witnesses are Hurbert RICHRDS and Mary Jane MILLINGTON. Is there anyone out there researching the BATES surname that can help with what happened to Tomas and Eleanor after 1905? Any help would be very gratefully received All the best from Down Under Ian -- Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia ian@sedgleymanor.com Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL

LOL or was it Horizontal? Jo :) that was my first thought LOL only just got to my emails LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Gaye: I've been away for a few days and only just seen your query. I haven't seen any reply on-list. I'm not aware of a Buck Row in Oldbury, and don't think there ever was one. But there was a Bath Row in Rounds Green, forming a back lane to Dingle Street. Some of my ancestors lived there. Could your "Buck" be a misreading for "Bath"? Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "kidson" <kidson@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:42 AM Subject: [B.C.] Buck Row > Anyone know whereabouts this was please. Think it might be the Oldbury > area, if so what other streets was it near to> > > Gaye > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >

Hello All, There's a book by Mark H. Washington Fletcher "Netherton : Edward 1 - Edward VIII" published by the County Borough of Dudley Libraries Museums & Arts Department Transcript No. 15 which is a really good read for anyone interested in Netherton. Dudley Archives have a copy. Regards Jean > It's a pity this area around Netherton doesn't feature in the "Britain in > Old Pictures" or similar books, I've been trying for years to find a source > of info as to where several generations of my ancestors lived. > Researching family history in the English Black Country. > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/dwcarr

It's a pity this area around Netherton doesn't feature in the "Britain in Old Pictures" or similar books, I've been trying for years to find a source of info as to where several generations of my ancestors lived. Researching family history in the English Black Country. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/dwcarr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Shaw" <melshaw@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: [B.C.] Sweet Turf & Netherton > Hi all; > The main road that runs through Netherton is the Halesowen road, from the > canal bridge (Bishtons bridge) heading north to Dudley was Danks boiler > co. which span both sides of the road. Next to that was Noah Hingleys as > Nigel has pointed out, directly over the road was Netherton goods yard > where the Old worse & worse (Oxford, Worcester & Wolverhampton) railway > ran, then it changed to Gods Wonderful Railway (Great Western Railway). > Next to the goods yard was 2 coal pits belonging to Hingleys. As the road > went up Netherton high street it met at the junction of Northfield road > and it was here that the market place was held and where horses were > requisitioned in WW1. A 100 or so yards on the left was Sweet Turf, > originally pasture for cattle and so named as Nigel & Neville pointed out. > Further along were the board schools and then the road came into > Cinderbank, in a field on the left was Netherton Hall an old stately > building and was used for storing of bodies in its latter days ! > when cholera was rife in Dudley and they buried the bodies in St Andrews > Netherton. Opposite was the earliest church in the Netherton area, the > Baptist church knocked down a few years back now. > The outer limits of Netherton was Peartree Lane & Park Head. > Regards > Mel > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >

Mel, The late lamented Netherton Hall at Sweet Turf which you mention was originally part of Lord Dudley's estate and Dud Dudley his illegitimate son who Nigel mentioned lived there I think for a while in the 17th Century. Abraham Darby born at Woodsetton who Nigel also mentioned was I believe the ggnephew of Dud and carried on his pioneering work in iron smelting. As a child Abraham probably knew the old man. Nigel, Many thanks for the info on Noah Hingley, another great in the iron industry Regards, Neville

Have we already had: "to stuff one's hodge" (as in "stuffin' yer 'odge")? Ron S -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Maureen, -----Original Message-----Please could anyone tell me which registration district Bilston would come under? I need to send for a certificate.----- Its Wolverhampton, at The Register Office Wolverhampton City Council Civic Centre St. Peter's Square Wolverhampton WV1 1RU Phone: (01902) 554989 (general enquiries) Phone: (01902) 551234 (appointments) Minicom: (01902) 555770 E-mail: register.office@wolverhampton.gov.uk Web: http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/community_living/life_events/opening_times.h tm This basic information can generally be found under Civil Registration at www.genuki.org Nigel Brown ENG-WOR-CRADLEY@rootsweb.com

Please could anyone tell me which registration district Bilston would come under? I need to send for a certificate. Thank you, Maureen

Richard Booth wrote: > I have similarly found an instance > where one is described as a Bargeman and the other as a Boatman - > this in 19th Century Warwickshire where Barges were unknown! My Neal ancestors from Northant's and oxford were regular travelers on the canals. One of them married a canal barge builder in Banbury in 1812. Nearly every instance of the family describes them as boatman, boatwoman and only twice is there a mention of waterman. One of the Blackcountry canal boatmen went to work on the Thames and he was then described as a lighterman gaye