We had golden syrup sponge pudding today (courtesy of M&S these days though as it doesn't seem worth making a huge steamed sponge pudding just for the two of us). As I child I used to like golden syrup sandwiches! Don't think I could manage that now though, far too sweet, and very sticky. Carol

Sharon wrote: > It is just good old-fashioned regular syrup, not corn syrup, or molasses. The kind you'd put on pancakes, or waffles. > > Sharon > > Dot Keck <dotk@imt.net> wrote: Hi, > Here in Montana I've just started to make the Ginger Cake recipe > found in the Bugle and I came across "golden syrup" and am not sure > what it is. > > Is it a corn syrup or a molasses? > > Please can someone help me? I'd like to have this ready for an Easter > morning surprise for my family. > > Thanks so much. > > Dot in Montana > I must have missed the original of this message, either that or it didn't reach the remoter areas of Nova Scotia yet!! Dot, Sharon is right, but doesn't go far enough in her explanation. "Golden Syrup" is/was a brand name of a product made by Tate & Lyle, who were sugar refiners. It is a sugar product, and as Sharon correctly points out, it is neither corn syrup, nor molasses [although I suspect it is a product that is further refined from molasses]. It is also NOT the kind of syrup you put on pancakes or waffles; that would be MAPLE syrup. If you are able to get out to a grocery store at this time on Easter Saturday [and the best of British Luck!!], look in the baking goods aisle. It comes in an emerald green and gold can. Makes a bostin' steamed pudding, too! Hope this helps and is in time! cheers, Phil -- Phil & Anne Irons, Sydney, Nova Scotia Remember: Professionals built the Titanic; an Amateur built the Ark!

Well, sure you can put it on pancakes, or waffles. It tastes mighty fine, just as maple syrup does. Here in Canada its called Roger's Golden Syrup, and that's what its best served on. :-) Sharon Phil & Anne Irons <irons@eastlink.ca> wrote: I must have missed the original of this message, either that or it didn't reach the remoter areas of Nova Scotia yet!! Dot, Sharon is right, but doesn't go far enough in her explanation. "Golden Syrup" is/was a brand name of a product made by Tate & Lyle, who were sugar refiners. It is a sugar product, and as Sharon correctly points out, it is neither corn syrup, nor molasses [although I suspect it is a product that is further refined from molasses]. It is also NOT the kind of syrup you put on pancakes or waffles; that would be MAPLE syrup. If you are able to get out to a grocery store at this time on Easter Saturday [and the best of British Luck!!], look in the baking goods aisle. It comes in an emerald green and gold can. Makes a bostin' steamed pudding, too! Hope this helps and is in time! cheers, Phil --------------------------------- Make free worldwide PC-to-PC calls. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger with Voice

Just to add, that unlike Treacle - which is dark brown - this is as the name says - Golden - a golden transparent syrup - yum! Jilly

It is just good old-fashioned regular syrup, not corn syrup, or molasses. The kind you'd put on pancakes, or waffles. Sharon Dot Keck <dotk@imt.net> wrote: Hi, Here in Montana I've just started to make the Ginger Cake recipe found in the Bugle and I came across "golden syrup" and am not sure what it is. Is it a corn syrup or a molasses? Please can someone help me? I'd like to have this ready for an Easter morning surprise for my family. Thanks so much. Dot in Montana --------------------------------- Enrich your life at Yahoo! Canada Finance

Hi Ged and Jilly, I'm not familiar with treacle here in the states - but this list is such a help I'll try all your suggestions when the cake turns out well and I make it again. HAPPY EASTER and thanks for your help. Dot in Montana

To Sharon, Peny, Phil and Anne, Thanks to all for your suggestions. I think I'll try the plain corn syrup - the recipe calls for such a small amount it probably wouldn't hurt using any of your suggestions. I may the next time try molasses - the maple syrup may not go well with the ginger in the recipe. Again, thanks. I'll get right on it. And a HAPPY EASTER to you all !!! Dot in Montana

Hi, Here in Montana I've just started to make the Ginger Cake recipe found in the Bugle and I came across "golden syrup" and am not sure what it is. Is it a corn syrup or a molasses? Please can someone help me? I'd like to have this ready for an Easter morning surprise for my family. Thanks so much. Dot in Montana

Isaac GRIFFITHS was a tube welder born 24 July 1849 at High Bullen, Wednesbury. He moved to the Pleck area of Walsall after his marriage in 1872 . One of the places he worked at was at the firm "Gill & Russell" on Pleck Road,Walsall. Isaac's younger brother Isaiah Burkitt GRIFFITHS emigrated to the US or Canada to start his own tube factory over there, similar to the one he started over here. He wanted Isaac to go with him but his wife Elizabeth refused to go. It would be interesting to find out if he did emigrate. Regards Pat.

Bryan: Thanks, yes, I've heard Ancestry is available in some libraries, but unfortunately not out here in the sticks where I live. And although the PRO site is obviously an option it isn't really designed for occasional lookups. So I'm throwing myself upon the charity of the list! Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan SLIM" <minestart@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Paul Prescott" <paul@toranean.demon.co.uk> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [B.C.] 1901 Census lookup request - HURREN > Paul, > > Ancestry should be available at a local library or such pictures of > enumerators sheets are available from the 1901 site. > > Bryan Slim > > > > >>Hi: >> >>Could SKS possibly help me with a couple of 1901 census lookups? I >>confess that they're London born and so out of area, but in my defence >>they are related to solid Black Country folk, so I hope that's good >>enough. (I have tried the London list, but they just don't have the same >>wonderful helpful people there that we do on the BC list!) >> >>I'm lookinf for Kathleen HURREN, born 1877, and her sister Caroline, born >>1884.. Both were unmarried daughters living away from home - I have her >>parents' 1901 census entry and neither Karthleen nor Caroline are there, >>although all the other siblings are. >> >>The PRO 1901 website suggests the following possibles: >> >>Kate HURRAN, aged 24, Florest, born London Stoke Newington, living in >>Woodford Essex. >>Kathleen HURRAN, aged 23, no occupation, no birthplace, living in London >>Christchurch >>Katherine J. HURREN, aged 27, Milliner, born Camberwell, living in London >>Newington. >>Caroline HURREN, aged 17, Pupil Teacher, born London Surrey, living in >>London. >> >>If anyone were able to provide images from Ancestry I really would be most >>grateful. >> >>Thanks in advance >> >>Best wishes >> >>Paul Prescott >> >> >> >>==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== >>The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross >>(Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >

Hi: Could SKS possibly help me with a couple of 1901 census lookups? I confess that they're London born and so out of area, but in my defence they are related to solid Black Country folk, so I hope that's good enough. (I have tried the London list, but they just don't have the same wonderful helpful people there that we do on the BC list!) I'm lookinf for Kathleen HURREN, born 1877, and her sister Caroline, born 1884.. Both were unmarried daughters living away from home - I have her parents' 1901 census entry and neither Karthleen nor Caroline are there, although all the other siblings are. The PRO 1901 website suggests the following possibles: Kate HURRAN, aged 24, Florest, born London Stoke Newington, living in Woodford Essex. Kathleen HURRAN, aged 23, no occupation, no birthplace, living in London Christchurch Katherine J. HURREN, aged 27, Milliner, born Camberwell, living in London Newington. Caroline HURREN, aged 17, Pupil Teacher, born London Surrey, living in London. If anyone were able to provide images from Ancestry I really would be most grateful. Thanks in advance Best wishes Paul Prescott

Hi Pat, Isaiah was in the 1881 & 1891 England census. There was an Isaiah Griffiths that died in 1895, he didn't show up in the 1901 cenus. I only found the one passenger on the list but the years don't match with him. Let me know if you need the census info. Nancy USA -----Original Message----- From: Pat Hayward [mailto:hayward325@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:19 PM To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] What did my GRIFFITHS ancestors do. Isaac GRIFFITHS was a tube welder born 24 July 1849 at High Bullen, Wednesbury. He moved to the Pleck area of Walsall after his marriage in 1872 . One of the places he worked at was at the firm "Gill & Russell" on Pleck Road,Walsall. Isaac's younger brother Isaiah Burkitt GRIFFITHS emigrated to the US or Canada to start his own tube factory over there, similar to the one he started over here. He wanted Isaac to go with him but his wife Elizabeth refused to go. It would be interesting to find out if he did emigrate. Regards Pat. ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies)

Hi Paul, I sent you some images. This was the only other information I could find. Nancy USA England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 Record Name: Kathleen Hurren Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: St Saviour Southwark County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 183 Caroline Bennett Hurren Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: St Saviour Southwark County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 151 England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Record Caroline Bennett Hurren Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Lambeth County: Greater London, London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 745 William Day 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep,Lambeth,Greater London, London,Surrey Caroline Bennett Hurren 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep,Lambeth,Greater London,London, Surrey Thomas Peebles 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep,Lambeth,Greater London, London,Surrey Eugenia Annie Rendell 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep,Lambeth,Greater London, London, Surrey -----Original Message----- From: Paul Prescott [mailto:paul@toranean.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:06 PM To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] 1901 Census lookup request - HURREN Hi: Could SKS possibly help me with a couple of 1901 census lookups? I confess that they're London born and so out of area, but in my defence they are related to solid Black Country folk, so I hope that's good enough. (I have tried the London list, but they just don't have the same wonderful helpful people there that we do on the BC list!) I'm lookinf for Kathleen HURREN, born 1877, and her sister Caroline, born 1884.. Both were unmarried daughters living away from home - I have her parents' 1901 census entry and neither Karthleen nor Caroline are there, although all the other siblings are. The PRO 1901 website suggests the following possibles: Kate HURRAN, aged 24, Florest, born London Stoke Newington, living in Woodford Essex. Kathleen HURRAN, aged 23, no occupation, no birthplace, living in London Christchurch Katherine J. HURREN, aged 27, Milliner, born Camberwell, living in London Newington. Caroline HURREN, aged 17, Pupil Teacher, born London Surrey, living in London. If anyone were able to provide images from Ancestry I really would be most grateful. Thanks in advance Best wishes Paul Prescott ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies)

I wonder if some kind person can give me an exact definition for an "At Nurse" relationship shown on an 1861 Census Return? Hi wendy, can't remember exactly where I read this but it was an article which suggested that a 'single' mother could pay for her child's up keep and the person looking after the child would be what we call a child minder today. The child could therefore be shown on the census as a nurse child. Sounds like the same sort of thing to me. Gaye

You could say that one lot of mine who were industrial blacksmiths put the other lot out of work. The NEAL's worked on and in occupations related to the canal's as boatmen and women, lock keepers and coal dealers/merhants from Oxford up to the west mids. The CUTLER's were involved in railway manufacture and at I think the Smethwick carriage works. I also have a coillery engine driver, possibly at Willingsworth. On my mom's side I have nailers, miners and after marrying a fishmonger's daughter a greengrocer and his descendant's who went on to have WESTWOOD's fish shops in Blackheath. My husband has some churchwarden's at Claverley, later moving to Bilston where most of them were blacksmiths, with his granddad working at Bilston steel works. One branch of the KIDSON's went on to have a wholesale grocery business and shops in W'ton, Willenhall, Wednesbury and Bilston and they were also bakers and flourmakers. Another one was mayor of W'ton. My husband didn't know any of this until recently as his granddad was orphaned at 14. Gaye

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I wonder if some kind person can give me an exact definition for an "At Nurse" relationship shown on an 1861 Census Return? I always thought that if a baby had lost its mother, or maybe its mother was very ill, then the child was placed with some kindly relation or neighbour, who was a new mother herself, to be "nursed" along with her own child. After all, was there such a thing as commercial baby milk at that time? However, in this instance, the one-year old child, who does not appear to be related to anyone in the household and was not born in the area, was in a household where the youngest child was six years old. Surely this mother would not be able to feed the baby herself? I can only assume that maybe this mother had recently lost a baby and so was able to feed the "at nurse" child, but the puzzle of how this baby came to be in the household remains. If anyone else has any other theories or a definition or explanation of "At Nurse", I would be most interested. Many thanks. Wendy

I've just finished my emulsioning, now it's time for gardening after the footy Wolfie...................the quiet one ey Mell, I thought yow was s'posed to be comin' round for a cup o' tay this wick. i thought yow wos allready off to the fair or am yow just guin in the mornin? got the monitor here all ready fer ya LOL i bin doin sum mewer emulsionin LOL its now 11.14 and a whole room is done LOL ready fer floorin LOL i luv holidis LOL AND me husband is on the buddy beach!! its 28 degrees out there!!!! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 13/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 13/04/2006

ey Mell, I thought yow was s'posed to be comin' round for a cup o' tay this wick. i thought yow wos allready off to the fair or am yow just guin in the mornin? got the monitor here all ready fer ya LOL i bin doin sum mewer emulsionin LOL its now 11.14 and a whole room is done LOL ready fer floorin LOL i luv holidis LOL AND me husband is on the buddy beach!! its 28 degrees out there!!!! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

I posted the following on STAFFORDSHIRE and DURCHAM. It has been suggested that it might be better on this list. Here's hoping. I have just started researching this part of the family, as we have nearly 8000 names in the tree, Does anyone recognise any connections? jim http://www.payman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Ancestors of Samuel Peacock Generation No. 1 1. Samuel Peacock, born Abt. 1868 in BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire. He was the son of 2. Edwin Peacock and 3. Harriet. More About Samuel Peacock: 1871 CENSUS: Age 3 1881 census: Samuel J - Age 12 - Scholar 1891 Census: Age 22- Blacksmiths Striker - at home Generation No. 2 2. Edwin Peacock, born Abt. 1834 in WOODLAND Somerset. He was the son of 4. John Peacock and 5. Hannah. He married 3. Harriet. 3. Harriet, born Abt. 1837 in KINGSWINFORD Staffordshire. More About Edwin Peacock: 1841 census: Age 6 1851 census: Age 16 - Copper Mill Man - at home 1861 CENSUS: Age 26 - Furnace Man (Iron) New Street KINGSWINFORD Staffordshire - born WOLLARD Somerset 1871 CENSUS: Edward - Age 36 - Furnace Man at Iron Works - 23 Henry Street HEDWORTH MONKTON 7 YARROW Durham - born BRISTOL Gloucestershire 1891 Census: Edward - Age 55 - Ironworker - 28 Spoor Street WHICKHAM County Durham - says born BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire 1901 CENSUS: Edward - Age 59 - Foreman on Plate Mills - 7 Clyde Street STOCKTON ON TEES County Durham - says born SWINFORD [sic] Somerset More About Harriet: 1861 CENSUS: Age 23 1871 CENSUS: Age 34 - says born BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire 1881 census: Age 46 - Head - Married - 10 Cobden Street DARLINGTON Durham - Ed not at home 1891 Census: Age 55 - says born BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire 1901 CENSUS: Age 61 - says born BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire Children of Edwin Peacock and Harriet are: i. Mary A Peacock, born Abt. August 1860 in KINGSWINFORD Staffordshire. More About Mary A Peacock: 1861 CENSUS: Age 7 months 1871 CENSUS: Age 9 - Scholar - born BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire 1881 census: Age 20 - at home - says born BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire ii. Edward Peacock, born Abt. 1863 in BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire. More About Edward Peacock: 1871 CENSUS: Age 7 1881 census: Age 18 - Labourer at ironworks - at home 1891 Census: Age 29 - Ironworker - at home iii. John Peacock, born Abt. 1864 in BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire. More About John Peacock: 1871 CENSUS: Age 6 - Scholar 1881 census: John H - Age 16 - Labourer at ironworks - at home 1891 Census: Age 27 - Blacksmiths Striker - at home 1 iv. Samuel Peacock, born Abt. 1868 in BRIERLEY HILL Staffordshire. v. Harriett M Peacock, born Abt. 1876 in GLASGOW Scotland. More About Harriett M Peacock: 1881 census: Age 4 1891 Census: Age 14 - Scholar 1901 CENSUS: Age 24 - says born PARKHEAD Scotland Generation No. 3 4. John Peacock, born Abt. 1807 in SISTON Warmley Gloucestershire; died Bef. 1871. He married 5. Hannah. 5. Hannah, born Abt. 1811 in SISTON Warmley Gloucestershire. More About John Peacock: 1841 census: Age 30 - Copper Worker - Woolard PUBLOW Somerset 1851 census: Age 43 - Copper Smith - KELSTON Somerset 1861 CENSUS: Age 55 - Ag Lab - KELSTON Somerset 1872: 30 September 1872, Copper Roller More About Hannah: 1841 census: Age 25 1851 census: Age 39 1861 CENSUS: Age 45 - born BITTON Gloucestershire 1871 CENSUS: Age 53 - Widow - 44 Albion Street KINGSWINFORD Staffordshire 1881 census: Age 70 - Widow - Lodger - 20 Hill Street BRIERLEY HILL Kingswinford Worcestershire - born BITTON Gloucestershire Children of John Peacock and Hannah are: i. Martha Peacock, born Abt. 1832 in NORTH STOKE Somerset; died Bef. January 1890 in FAREHAM Regn Dist - Age 54; married (1) George Seal 30 September 1872 in Holy Trinity Combe Down BATH Somerset; born 1841 in MARSHFIELD, Gloucestershire; died Bef. 1881; married (2) Peter Edney 1884 in FAREHAM Regn Dist; born Abt. 1826 in WIDLEY Hampshire; died Bef. January 1891 in FAREHAM Regn Dist - Age 64. More About Martha Peacock: 1841 census: Age 8 1851 census: Age 18 - at home - born SWINFORD Somerset 1861 CENSUS: Mary - Age 27 - Nurse Maid - 13 Lansdown St CLIFTON Gloucestershire - household of William Budd - born KELSTON Somerset 1871 CENSUS: Age 33 - Domestic Servt - born Somersetshire - 14 Old Sydney Place - BATHWICK Bath Somerset - household of Evan WILLIAMS 1872: 30 September 1872, Age Full - Domestic Servant - Combe Down BATH Somerset 1881 census: Age 40 - widow - Cook Domestic Servant - Purbrook House FARLINGTON Hants Death Regn: 1889, FAREHAM Regn Dist 2b 347 Dec Qtr More About George Seal: 1851 census: Age 9 1871 CENSUS: Age 29 - Police Constable - Grove Street Police Barracks BATH 1872: 30 September 1872, Age 31 - Labourer - Combe Down 1873: 2 August 1873, Labourer - 9 Green Cottages Combe Down BATH Baptism: 2 January 1842, St Mary's MARSHFIELD More About George Seal and Martha Peacock: Marriage: 30 September 1872, Holy Trinity Combe Down BATH Somerset Witnesses: Joseph BARTON & Eliza Jane Peacock ii. Mary Peacock, born Abt. 1832 in not Somerset. More About Mary Peacock: 1841 census: Age 8 2 iii. Edwin Peacock, born Abt. 1834 in WOODLAND Somerset; married Harriet. iv. Ann Peacock, born Abt. 1836 in WOODLAND Somerset [Beavington 1851 ts]. More About Ann Peacock: 1841 census: Age 5 1851 census: Age 14 v. Abraham Peacock, born Abt. 1837 in Somerset; died Bef. 1851. More About Abraham Peacock: 1841 census: Age 3 vi. Alice Peacock, born Abt. November 1840 in Somerset; died Bef. 1851. More About Alice Peacock: 1841 census: Age 6 months vii. Abraham Peacock, born Abt. 1842 in WOODLAND Somerset [Beavington 1851 ts]. More About Abraham Peacock: 1851 census: Age 8 1861 CENSUS: Age 18 - Visitor - Mill Street KINGSWINFORD Staffordshire - household of Joseph Barnett - says born BRISTOL Somerset viii. Eliza Peacock, born Abt. 1845 in KELSTON Somerset. More About Eliza Peacock: 1851 census: Age 5 1861 CENSUS: Age 15 - Nurse Maid - 13 Lansdown St CLIFTON Gloucestershire - household of William Budd [with sister Martha] 1871 CENSUS: Age 25 - Domestic Servt - born Somersetshire - 14 Old Sydney Place - BATHWICK Bath Somerset - household of Evan WILLIAMS ix. Alice Peacock, born Abt. 1848 in KELSTON Somerset. More About Alice Peacock: 1851 census: Age 2 1861 CENSUS: Age 13 - Scholar 1871 CENSUS: Age 22 - with widowed mother - born BRISTOL Gloucestershire x. John Peacock, born Abt. 1851 in KELSTON Somerset. More About John Peacock: 1861 CENSUS: Age 9 - Ag Lab 1871 CENSUS: Age 19 - Printer Compositor - at home - born BRISTOL Gloucestershire xi. Lydia Peacock, born Abt. February 1851 in KELSTON Somerset; died Bef. October 1851 in Keynsham Regn Dist. More About Lydia Peacock: 1851 census: Age 7 weeks Death Regn: 1851, Keynsham Regn Dist 11 10 Sep Qtr xii. Joseph Peacock, born Abt. 1856 in KELSTON Somerset. More About Joseph Peacock: 1861 CENSUS: Age 4 - Scholar 1871 CENSUS: Age 15 - Spade & Shovel Maker - born BRISTOL Gloucestershire -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 13/04/2006