Hello Rita, there's a blast from my past, Thompson and Roses. I used to buy an apple there on my way home from the Grammar School in Lodge Road. Doreen

John CARTER age 52 gun lock filer on 1851 cenus, his son, John CARTER b. 1849 Darlaston. age 11 1861 census gun lock filer living with his mother and stepfather, Thomas DOWEN a coal miner., at the time of his death in 1903 gun lock filer, served many years in India with the 59th regiment in between. Gilbert Eugene O'CAVANAGH, father of his wife Mary Eliza, died the year she was born 1864 of lung disease, a pensioner of the 61st regiment. His widow Mary Jane is listed as a char woman in 1881 census and his daughter is a servant.

Though that this may be worth forwarding to this list. It has a lot of names. Maureen -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Partridge [mailto:wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com] Sent: 18 April 2006 07:38 To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] [LEI] Fw: INDEX TO MISSING PERSONS FOUND IN POLICE CORRESPONDENCE This was posted to the Leicestershire list by Janelle. I thought it worth posting on. Wendy Partridge > > INDEX TO MISSING PERSONS FOUND IN POLICE CORRESPONDENCE > > > Not my site:- > > Index to Missing persons, found in Victorian Police Correspondence at > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hdharris/missingpeople.html > > Jenelle > jmac2005@tpg.com.au > > > ==== LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-D-request@rootsweb.com and > put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > ==== ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM Mailing List ==== We have archives! Search for your ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-WARKS-BIRMIN GHAM ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi list My 2 x gt grandfather, John BURLEY, born 1825 in Quarry Bank, is listed on the census as 'Provisions dealer'. There is a story from years back within the family, that he was part of a company selling fruit, vegetables and greengrocery in Birmingham Market and traded as GOVER & BURLEY. There is to this day, a building in Digbeth Birmingham which has the name, Glover & Burley Bldg, but I can find nothing more about the background of my ancestor or this company - is there anyone out there that can assist please ? Rob G Halesowen

hi everyone,heres hoping some of you kind folk maybe able to help me.`im researching my Hales family from Wolverhampton who moved down to Newport with the steel works in the late 1800`s early 1900`s.the problem i have is my grandfathers wedding cert lists his father as George William Hales[gardener deceased] yet his birth cert only gives his mothers name Mary Ann Hales [domestic servant].would i be right in thinking George William was a made up name just to look good on the wedding cert and most likely he was born out of wedlock.if so where do i go from here? hoping steve

Firstly thanks to David and Ian for replying to my query on Essence of Linseed - a reply and a picture within about half an hour of posting. That must be some kind of record! Like many BC people my Gt. Uncle Thomas BAILEY was drawn to the area by the prospect of work. He came from the border area of Shropshire and with the aid of Charles BELCHER who was a Butcher and Poultry Dealer from West Bromwich who often travelled to the Bishop's Castle area. Tom bought a shop in St. Michael Street, West Bromwich and made a lot of money selling rabbits during the lst World War. He married Nellie TABBENER whose father had fish shops in West Bromwich and was apparently renowned for his fish and chips. Their trade name was 'Tabbener & Bailey.' Tom's daughter Alice Mary BAILEY, (known as Mary) married Major Bennett FARDON, who later changed his name to George FARDON (Major being his first name) and they ran the shop in St. Michael Street as a Butchers. Eventually they sold out and the premises became part of 'Thompson & Rose' the well-known greengrocers in West Bromwich. Rita

Hi Fiona, Sorry I can't help you with any information on your relatives but I just wondered if you knew about the crash landing of a British bomber plane in Adelaide Street in 1944. It wrecked four houses and damaged many more. There are a couple of pictures of the devastation here, http://www.blackcountrysociety.co.uk/articles/crashlanding.htm I live close to Adelaide Street and it looks exactly the same now as it did on the second picture apart from the rubble of course, best wishes, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <FCASKEY@aol.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: [B.C.] Jensen/Lowe Adelaide Street Brierley Hill 1940 - 1960's > Does any know Adelaide Street, Brierley Hill in 1940 - 1960's. > If anyone stayed in the street they may be able to help? > My second Cousin once removed Lynne Jensen stayed in 44 Adelaide Street > from > about 1945 until she married in 1967. I think Lynne married a Barry > Hodgetts > in 1967. Her address at marriage was 44 Adelaide Street. Her Mother > Phyllis > May Holloway Married my cousin Willard Jensen in 1943. Willard is my > second > cousin and from Canada. Willard died in France in 1944, before Lynne was > born. Willard's maternal Grandfather was Harry Johnson from Rowley Regis > son of > Benjamin Johnson and Mary Ann Parkes. I think Phyllis remarried in 1947 > to > Harry Lowe. Harry Lowe stayed at 42 Adelaide Street. His father according > to the > marriage certificate was also Harry Lowe. Phyllis stayed at 44 Adelaide > Street. > I am trying to see if any of the family are in the area as I have made > contact with Lynne's cousins who are in the US and they were asking about > Willard's family in the UK > Regards > Fiona Caskey. > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > >

Hello List, When my grandfather Josiah Bushell (a coal dealer / wharfman) died in 1909 aged 33, my grandmother Elizabeth was left with three children under five.Relatives either couldn't or wouldn't help her, so to make ends meet, at first she took in "plain sewing" - we still have the card she put in her window to advertise this. Then she turned to shopkeeping, first setting up fish and chip shops in, I believe, Darlaston Rd.,Dale St. and Union St., Wednesbury and then running a newsagents in Hobs Road. When they were old enough, my father Josiah Bushell and his brother Bill joined their mother in the newsagency but were semi professional footballers at the same time. Eventually Bill Bushell turned professional and played for Leicester City - unlike modern footballers, he had to supplement his income by also being an insurance agent. In the 1930s, having heard that new housing estates were to be built on the southern part of Wednesbury, my parents bought a piece of land in Park Lane, Wednesbury and had a shop with living accommodation attached built. They traded there as newsagents and grocers under the name of Bushell's Stores for the next twenty five years. My husband's greaat grandmother Mary Ann Garnham was also left a widow in her midforties with several children to feed. Her younger sons were sent to the Princess Alice Orphanage at Sutton Coldfield and like my grandmother she then opened a shop - a draper's at Great Bridge. By all accounts both these women became rather fierce old ladies but then after such hard lives perhaps that's not surprising. Annette

My Maternal Grandmother gave me gin, sugar and warm water when I had a stomach ache and my BlackCountry Paternal Grandfather, rum and hot milk for a cold. And I was only 4 or 5. I have hung on till nearly sixty so maybe they wern't so bad! (And yes I do still enjoy the odd gin or rum)! Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan M Wood" <sueandsteve@susanwood.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? > > > > > > > My Grandmother used to roll a cube of butter in sugar and make you suck it > for a cough. It worked in as much as you dared not cough again for fear of > getting another one. > > Also,she used to keep a pot of tea simmering on the stove until it was > nicely stewed,and then add a good dollop of Carnation evaporated > milk.Sickly > or what? > > > Sue. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 16/04/2006 > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > >

This is a request for help for a friend. He has come across a photo in a family album of a primary school class. The only identification he has is as follows: E.R.S.School No 1852 c Grade III Year 1922 Any help on decoding this would be very welcome. Search attempts via Google have failed so far. Thanks Peter Wharton

Hi Folks, Not too sure how many on this list will have any knowledge of my question, but I'll give it a shot anyway as well as try the Staffs list. I have the name Clewley in my list, and I have a vague memory of a shop in Chase Terrace being run by the Clewley or at least my grandparents called it Clewleys shop. My mom is convinced it was a dressmakers, but I was sure it was a sweet shop! Just a wild stab in the dark but can anyone cast any light on this? I do have a picture of Mary Clewley standing outside the shop, but it's difficult to tell what was inside (though the text in Old Chasetown seems to think it was a general store). Many Thanks In Advance Nick

On 17 Apr, Robert Griffin <r.j.griffin@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Nick > Carnation evaporated milk - similar, but my granddad put it in coffee, > not coffee as we know it, but Camp coffee and chicory essence - > something that has been discussed previously. I have my discharge details from hospital after being born 6 weeks prematurely. It says "feed every 3 hours with 4oz of diluted Carnation"! But Camp coffee has to be made with sterilized milk, doesn't it! > Very much an acquired taste! > Rob G > Halesowen You can say that again... > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Griffin [mailto:nick.griffin@mac.com] > Sent: 17 April 2006 10:10 > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? > Carnation Evap...gee that's a memory. My grandpa used to put it in > his tea!...eeuuwwwww > Nick > On 17 Apr 2006, at 10:02, Rosemary Jarvis wrote: > > yes - carnation evaporated milk - I think my mother saw it as an > > alternative to cream. I quite liked it then! > > > > Ros > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan M Wood" <sueandsteve@susanwood.wanadoo.co.uk> > > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> My Grandmother used to roll a cube of butter in sugar and make you > >> suck it > >> for a cough. It worked in as much as you dared not cough again for > >> fear of > >> getting another one. > >> > >> Also,she used to keep a pot of tea simmering on the stove until it > >> was > >> nicely stewed,and then add a good dollop of Carnation evaporated > > milk.Sickly > >> or what? > >> > >> > >> Sue. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > >> 16/04/2006 > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > >> The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > >> (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > >> > > > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Hi: I have at last managed to track down my two HURRENs in the 1901 census, thanks to some superb help by people on the list. Particular thanks go (in alphabetical order) to Ann, Maureen, Mellie, Nancy and Velda plus a couple of anonymous contributors. What a great list (but I knew that already)! There's an interesting lesson here that has been reinforced by this quest and may be worth sharing. Most misindexing errors come from misreading the surname, so why not just leave it out? My Kathleen HURREN was tracked down on Ancestry by only entering Kathleen, aged 23, living in London, but with no surname. This produced a list of only 100+ candidates, and most could be eliminated at a glance, because the surname was completely the wrong length or shape for a misreading of HURREN. In fact it didn't take too long to spot Kathleen DURCAN, as a possible misspelling, and there she was. Incidentally, my other candidate, Kate HURREN, had been indexed as Kate HUMAN, and the same technique tracked her down too. Best wishes to all Paul Prescott

Nick Carnation evaporated milk - similar, but my granddad put it in coffee, not coffee as we know it, but Camp coffee and chicory essence - something that has been discussed previously. Very much an acquired taste! Rob G Halesowen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Griffin [mailto:nick.griffin@mac.com] Sent: 17 April 2006 10:10 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? Carnation Evap...gee that's a memory. My grandpa used to put it in his tea!...eeuuwwwww Nick On 17 Apr 2006, at 10:02, Rosemary Jarvis wrote: > yes - carnation evaporated milk - I think my mother saw it as an > alternative to cream. I quite liked it then! > > Ros > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan M Wood" <sueandsteve@susanwood.wanadoo.co.uk> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My Grandmother used to roll a cube of butter in sugar and make you >> suck it >> for a cough. It worked in as much as you dared not cough again for >> fear of >> getting another one. >> >> Also,she used to keep a pot of tea simmering on the stove until it >> was >> nicely stewed,and then add a good dollop of Carnation evaporated > milk.Sickly >> or what? >> >> >> Sue. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: >> 16/04/2006 >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== >> The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross >> (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >> > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk

Very good hint, Paul. Thank you. Regards, Lois

Carnation Evap...gee that's a memory. My grandpa used to put it in his tea!...eeuuwwwww Nick On 17 Apr 2006, at 10:02, Rosemary Jarvis wrote: > yes - carnation evaporated milk - I think my mother saw it as an > alternative to cream. I quite liked it then! > > Ros > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan M Wood" <sueandsteve@susanwood.wanadoo.co.uk> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My Grandmother used to roll a cube of butter in sugar and make you >> suck it >> for a cough. It worked in as much as you dared not cough again for >> fear of >> getting another one. >> >> Also,she used to keep a pot of tea simmering on the stove until it >> was >> nicely stewed,and then add a good dollop of Carnation evaporated > milk.Sickly >> or what? >> >> >> Sue. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: >> 16/04/2006 >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== >> The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross >> (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >> > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >

yes - carnation evaporated milk - I think my mother saw it as an alternative to cream. I quite liked it then! Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan M Wood" <sueandsteve@susanwood.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? > > > > > > > My Grandmother used to roll a cube of butter in sugar and make you suck it > for a cough. It worked in as much as you dared not cough again for fear of > getting another one. > > Also,she used to keep a pot of tea simmering on the stove until it was > nicely stewed,and then add a good dollop of Carnation evaporated milk.Sickly > or what? > > > Sue. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 16/04/2006 > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >

Hi All, Little did I know my innocent question would bring such interesting replies. This group of BC peple are so friendly and informative. Thank you all so much for your help and insight into someof your childhood experiences. Regards, Dot in Montana

Hi List Just to add to the vile concoctions we all suffered in the name of good health way back in the 50s, my sister and I were subjected to a daily desert spoon of malt and cod liver oil. But that wasn't the worst, sometimes it was just liquid cod liver oil, to which mom added a dash of vinegar to take off some of the greasy taste . Yuk ! Rob G Halesowen

Back in the 40s and 50s, we had 'Friars Balsam' on sugar, usually on a sugar cube. It left your teeth and tongue with a coating of yellow 'gunge'. but quite an enjoyable taste. Whether it did any good or not I don't know. I think you can still buy 'Friars Balsam'. Alan.