Pat You can't take a name off that you have not put on, you have to ask them to take it off Ray

If someone is listed in the census as living on their own means would this be what i understand as someone who is living on "means" as in means tested[hope thats not a daft question] in the same census i have someone whos a Door Knob Presser Brass.i was wondering if that was anything to do with the Chubb works as i also have a safemaker and locksmith in the same family. can anyone tell me what Dale Street and Baker Street might have looked like in the late 1880`early 1900`s[are there any pictures /photos i could veiw?] hope i haven`t asked to many questions. steve

This is also an interesting link: http://www.lylesgoldensyrup.com/LylesGoldenSyrup/PastPresent/default.htm#How Made Original Message: ----------------- From: snape@cix.co.uk snape@cix.co.uk Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:15:07 -0400 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? http://www.englishteastore.com/ckg001.html Original Message: ----------------- From: JohnASaul@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:50:03 EDT To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? We had golden syrup sponge pudding today (courtesy of M&S these days though as it doesn't seem worth making a huge steamed sponge pudding just for the two of us). As I child I used to like golden syrup sandwiches! Don't think I could manage that now though, far too sweet, and very sticky. Carol ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

http://www.englishteastore.com/ckg001.html Original Message: ----------------- From: JohnASaul@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:50:03 EDT To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] What is GOLDEN SYRUP ?? We had golden syrup sponge pudding today (courtesy of M&S these days though as it doesn't seem worth making a huge steamed sponge pudding just for the two of us). As I child I used to like golden syrup sandwiches! Don't think I could manage that now though, far too sweet, and very sticky. Carol ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Oops! Some of my post appears to have disappeared into cyberspace! Just so that Peter doesn't think I was being rude, which I certainly wasn't, the first sentence read "Sorry Peter but I am here to confirm your paranoia in the nicest possible way of course!" I hope this arrives without bits disappearing. Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaFH" <lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [B.C.] > way of course! > > All of this information is and has been freely available to anyone who > cared to search for it in local RO's, sometimes local libraries and the > FRC for very many years. Anyone who wanted to do naughty stuff could do it > anyway whether the information is available online or not. To be honest, > if someone is really determined to steal something they will always find a > way to do it even if the information is difficult to get hold of because > there is a reward in it for them and it is worth the time and trouble. The > alternative is for all recent information not to be available at all. What > with the reforms in registration on their way in a few years time, we may > rue the day when they took all personal information away from certificates > such as age, maiden name, place of birth, father's occupation etc unless > the event occurred more than 75 years ago. > > In order to protect yourself from identity theft, never ever give your > mother's real maiden name to anyone who wishes to record it for 'security > reasons'. Decide on another name that is entirely unconnected to you and > stick with it. That little piece of information can never then be picked > up by someone wishing to do you financial harm. > Regards > Linda > Staffs UK > Researching: > Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants > Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller > Morgan Simmons Baker > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:39 PM > Subject: [B.C.] > > >> I've also just come across something I find slightly concerning and am >> interested in others views. Am I just being too paranoid about these >> things? >> >> >> >> Ancestry have a searchable index for birth certificates from 1984 to >> 2004. >> I can find both my grandchildren in it, both born this century. Given >> that >> this gives their year of birth mothers maiden name and the area where >> registered (which is likely to be where they still live) this seems to me >> to >> breach generally recommended rules for both publishing information on >> children as well as family trees. It's a funny index as it doesn't seem >> appear in any list they databases but appears when you do a full search. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Peter Wharton > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/316 - Release Date: 17/04/2006 > >

Sorry Peter but I am here to confirm your paranoia in the nicest possible way of course! All of this information is and has been freely available to anyone who cared to search for it in local RO's, sometimes local libraries and the FRC for very many years. Anyone who wanted to do naughty stuff could do it anyway whether the information is available online or not. To be honest, if someone is really determined to steal something they will always find a way to do it even if the information is difficult to get hold of because there is a reward in it for them and it is worth the time and trouble. The alternative is for all recent information not to be available at all. What with the reforms in registration on their way in a few years time, we may rue the day when they took all personal information away from certificates such as age, maiden name, place of birth, father's occupation etc unless the event occurred more than 75 years ago. In order to protect yourself from identity theft, never ever give your mother's real maiden name to anyone who wishes to record it for 'security reasons'. Decide on another name that is entirely unconnected to you and stick with it. That little piece of information can never then be picked up by someone wishing to do you financial harm. Regards Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: [B.C.] > I've also just come across something I find slightly concerning and am > interested in others views. Am I just being too paranoid about these > things? > > > > Ancestry have a searchable index for birth certificates from 1984 to 2004. > I can find both my grandchildren in it, both born this century. Given that > this gives their year of birth mothers maiden name and the area where > registered (which is likely to be where they still live) this seems to me > to > breach generally recommended rules for both publishing information on > children as well as family trees. It's a funny index as it doesn't seem > appear in any list they databases but appears when you do a full search. > > > > Regards > > > > Peter Wharton

Hi Marion, I believe the 1841 census was taken 7th June 1841. Jo :) http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jo14 I use Archive CD Books to do my family history research http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Centric" <centric@rea-alp.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: [B.C.] 1841 UK Census > Hi All, > Does anyone recall which month the 1841 UK Census was taken in? Patience > PARKES was 9months old at that time, maybe this will give me a better > guess at the date of her birth? Any help appreciated! > Thanks, > Marion > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > >

Dear Listers, Following on the theme of Wolverhampton History Website, here is another one, that's a gem. It has Births, Marriages and Burials from the Parish Registers of different Churches in Wolverhampton. http://www.wolverhamptonarchives.dial.pipex.com/homepage.shtml Hope this helps, Regards, Mavis Williams, researching :- SMALLMAN, West Brom ,Deepfields,Sedgley, ROUND,West Brom GREEN,West Brom MIL(L)WARD,Tipton TENNENT,Wolverhampton,Staffordshire MIDDLETON,Coseley,Staffordshire WO(A)RDLY,Wolverhampton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles" <evans_gunther@ybb.ne.jp> To: <STAFFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [STS] History of Wolverhampton site > Hi Sally, > An excellent resource - I could spend hours on this website. > > Thanks and best wishes, > Charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Sallykruczek@aol.com> > To: <STAFFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:35 AM > Subject: [STS] History of Wolverhampton site > > >> Hello >> I'm not sure if I'm the last to know about this(!) but I think people >> with >> links to Wolverhampton will find the following site of great interest. >> It's >> packed with information on the history of Wolverhampton, its people, >> politics, >> leisure and work. A great resource to place our ancestors in. >> >> Best wishes >> Sally >> _http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/_ >> (http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/) >> >> >> ==== STAFFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send a mail to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> > > > > ==== STAFFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send a mail to > STAFFORDSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 16/04/2006 > >

Linda Why don't you take the one's concerned at Genes U. I have taken mine out Ray

Now this will make everyone laugh A couple of years ago I went up to Dudley Reg Office for my gr? grandparents wedding cert ( now hold your breathes ) of 1843 I had the date , church year , but I wanted to know who my Thomas Rounds father was , I filled in the form paid my money over they checked to see if they had got it them I asked them if they would tell me what was the grooms fathers christen name , they turned round and told me that it was data protected and where not allowed to tell me till it was sent to me in the post I could hardly believe this , it took a week and half to come and I repeated phoned them about it not coming Cassy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wharton" <peter@wharton-family.org> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: [B.C.] > I've also just come across something I find slightly concerning and am > interested in others views. Am I just being too paranoid about these > things? > > > > Ancestry have a searchable index for birth certificates from 1984 to 2004. > I can find both my grandchildren in it, both born this century. Given that > this gives their year of birth mothers maiden name and the area where > registered (which is likely to be where they still live) this seems to me > to > breach generally recommended rules for both publishing information on > children as well as family trees. It's a funny index as it doesn't seem > appear in any list they databases but appears when you do a full search. > > > > Regards > > > > Peter Wharton > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > >

Dear Doreen and Peter, I have had this problem with Genes Reunited, I have emailed them lots of times asking for my living family members to be taken off their database, they just ignore my emails, I never get a reply. It wasn't me who gave them the names by the way, they got on there from someone else's data base. It is very annoying as Doreen says, there seems to be rules of protection for some people in society but not others. All best wishes from Linda.

This is slightly more direct than 1837 (or the equivalent Ancestry facility) in that the search result displays the actual information where as 1837 just aims you at possible images. I agree being a pay site does help stopping for example normal search engines finding the data, but as far as I know they don't vet anybody joining up. I may be being unduly sensitive about this but it seems to me that the aggregating of web base information from multiple sites is a potential concern in these days of identification theft and also given the recommended publication of information re children. I have for example just moved my family tree and some photos from being publicly available to needing a password on my family web site I think I may write to the Data Protection Office re this just to see how they respond. I do however agree with Yorkie as well and find the rest of ancestry extremely useful Cheers Peter

<rant> I've just read an interesting thread posted today concerning the apparent release of registry data on living persons. Given the fact that a lot of Spam detectors automatically 'catch' messages with no subject, and the importance of the actual topic, would it have been too much to ask for someone to enter a subject line? I name no names--"no names, no pack drill" as one of my instructors used to say. But You Know Who You Are!! </rant> cheers, Phil -- Phil & Anne Irons, Sydney, Nova Scotia Remember: Professionals built the Titanic; an Amateur built the Ark!

>>I've also just come across something I find slightly concerning and am interested in others views. Am I just being too paranoid about these things? Ancestry have a searchable index for birth certificates from 1984 to 2004. I can find both my grandchildren in it, both born this century. Given that this gives their year of birth mothers maiden name and the area where registered (which is likely to be where they still live) this seems to me to breach generally recommended rules for both publishing information on children as well as family trees. It's a funny index as it doesn't seem appear in any list they databases but appears when you do a full search. Regards Peter Wharton<<< Its been around a while, also on 1837 you can search very much up to date too! both are subscription sites so maybe its not too bad, in so much as its not open to unscrupulous people? Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

I've also just come across something I find slightly concerning and am interested in others views. Am I just being too paranoid about these things? Ancestry have a searchable index for birth certificates from 1984 to 2004. I can find both my grandchildren in it, both born this century. Given that this gives their year of birth mothers maiden name and the area where registered (which is likely to be where they still live) this seems to me to breach generally recommended rules for both publishing information on children as well as family trees. It's a funny index as it doesn't seem appear in any list they databases but appears when you do a full search. Regards Peter Wharton

Hello all I apologize if I this has already been discussed. (Please point the way/paste the URL) My question for those of you with connections to E. Sheldon & Co. / Cannon / Cannon Cosely is this. What Cannon archives still exist? And a follow-up question, the Hudson Bay Company, probably smaller than Cannon but on the main line of history for it's many outposts and corporate colonies, has a few Museums holding its archives in Canada. Also there is one in Vancouver Oregon. Has Cosely (or anywhere else) something for Cannon? Thank you Bob C. Oceanside Calif.

Hi All, Does anyone recall which month the 1841 UK Census was taken in? Patience PARKES was 9months old at that time, maybe this will give me a better guess at the date of her birth? Any help appreciated! Thanks, Marion

Mellie I am sure unscrupulous people will not shy at paying £9.95 for a months subscription. Yorkie

Actually it does Peter, seeing that the Government will not allow the publishing of the 1911 census for genuine research, and yet they freely allow Ancestory to openly publish the BMD on the net. Strange thinking to me. I must say though, I have found the pre 1984 information very valuable. Yorkie

I agree Peter, if we are not allowed to see the 1911 census because some of the people may still be alive, why are they (the government) allowing this sort of information to be made public? Doreen