I know from asking this question on the Berkshire List, that rural life at this time was far from idyllic (Swing riots, famine, transportation and the like). Clearly they needed employment but what possessed them to go as far as the Black Country? ________________ One branch of my family who are traced back to Oxford, Banbury, Northants were agricultural labourers and boat builders. Once the canals in the West Midlands were built and coal from the rich coal seams in the area etc, was able to be more easily transported than by horse and cart. A whole new motorway of it's day came into being. Some of them were coal dealers, others included boatmen according to the census with families actually based at Willingsworth colliery, in the Black Country. I can track movements up to coal fields in Stoke on Trent . The farthest I've got them is Middlewich in Cheshire. Also my husbands ancestors who had been in the shropshire countryside until the 1840's lost land and moved to Bilston. They were blacksmiths but in tracing that family I came acrossa relative who was a mine agent and sale of land for coal mining. One of the earliest traced members of the family had moved from Shropshire to Walsall in the 1600's. Did they somehow keep in touch over the centuries and when times got tough, moved to areas where they already had other relatives, in search of the work developing due to the industrial revolution? Or did they move to these areas taking with them skills that they had already gained. Ironbridge is on the River Severn. Banbury is on a canal and near the River Cherwell. I have an ancestor from Montgomeryshire, another link to a canal, this time the Montgomery canal . http://www.wbct.org.uk/branches.htmThis is a link to a map showing the Wilts and berks canal and it looks like it joins up to the Oxford one, so it looks like it's a possibility that yours traveled the same route mine did, only farther. What I've often wondered is how long, being horsedrawn, it used to take the boats to travel along stretches of the canals. I've been told that they traveled during the night has anybody seen any links on the web or of knows of a good book that has anymore info about this? Gaye

Thank you Jean, that does help and sounds like good news for the BC Archives. Even so, will they or have they already microfilmed these archives? To my knowledge, there still is nothing that compares with the quality of properly made microfilm images for archiving documents and images/paintings/drawings. Surely the digitization process and microfilming process could be integrated and one could have the benefits of both for very little more than either one separately(except for the cost of hardware and most archives already have microfilm equipment). Someday the digitization process may catch up with analog filming but realistically, with my understanding of the poor resolution of digital techniques relative to analog film/microfilm, I don't see that happening in the next 50 years. In addition, the ease of storing, duplicating and longevity of microfilm are powerful arguments to use microfilm. I'm not an archivist by profession, so I'm not aware of the latest technology except what's available to consumers. The technology available to consumers for viewing microfilm could stand oodles of improvement. What does Jean say? > -----Original Message----- > From: jlangdell [mailto:jlangdell@supanet.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 3:02 AM > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B.C.] Sheldon Cannon Cosely > > > Hello Bob, > > Just catching up on messages. Try this site > http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/leisure_culture/libraries/archives > /workshop/ > > In the March 2006 issue is reference to Cannon Industries. > "Documenting the > Workshop of the World" is an on-going project undertaken by The Black > Country Archives Services, namely Dudley, Sandwell, Walsall & > Wolverhampton. > > Hope this helps > Regards > Jean > > > > Hello all > > I apologize if I this has already been discussed. (Please point the > way/paste the URL) My question for those of you with >connections to E. > Sheldon & Co. / Cannon / Cannon Cosely is this. What Cannon > archives still > exist? And a follow-up question, >the Hudson Bay Company, probably smaller > than Cannon but on the main line of history for it's many outposts and > corporate >colonies, has a few Museums holding its archives in > Canada. Also > there is one in Vancouver Oregon. Has Cosely (or anywhere >else) something > for Cannon? > > > > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk >

Your right John And us South Westerners who has driven many times to Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle, and Vancouver, BC. I knew better but fell into the bad habit many do outside the Northwest. Sort of lump Vancouver Washington with Portland Oregon, although they are separated by the Columbia river, Interstate I-5 runs thru them both and it usually takes me a couple minutes to get from one to the other via I-5. Vancouver is as much a suburb of Portland OR as it is a city in Washington. Sloppy thinking on my part. Can you forgive me? One of these days, M$ will probably put a Place Name check into Outlook and catch this kind of flub. Anyway, my point wrst Sheldon & Co. / Cannon / Cannon Cosely is that Vancouver on the Columbia was a significant site for Hudson Bay Company and contains one of several HBC Museums. So, by analogy, Cosely might have a Cannon / Sheldon museum that Tourist Bob would want to visit. Bob Oceanside, CA USA. > -----Original Message----- > From: jsdahl [mailto:jsd@efn.org] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:03 PM > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B.C.] Sheldon Cannon Cosely > > > I was most intrigued by your inquiry into the subject. Listing > you said that > there was something in Vancouver, Oregon. Having lived in Oregon > all my life > I decided to see if such a place exists. There is no Vancouver, > Oregon (USA) > though right across the Columbia River from Portland, Oregon 'is' > Vancouver, > Washington (USA). In the Northwest we differentiate between the two > Vancouvers with either Vancouver USA (sometimes Washington is > used in place > of USA) or Vancouver BC (British Columbia). > > -john > Springfield, Oregon (USA) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Cooper" <sierrasnow@cox.net> > To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 17:13 > Subject: [B.C.] Sheldon Cannon Cosely > > > > Hello all > > I apologize if I this has already been discussed. (Please point the > > way/paste the URL) My question for those of you with connections to E. > > Sheldon & Co. / Cannon / Cannon Cosely is this. What Cannon archives > still > > exist? And a follow-up question, the Hudson Bay Company, > probably smaller > > than Cannon but on the main line of history for it's many outposts and > > corporate colonies, has a few Museums holding its archives in Canada. > Also > > there is one in Vancouver Oregon. Has Cosely (or anywhere else) > something > > for Cannon? > > > > Thank you > > Bob C. Oceanside Calif. > > > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >

The influx of people into the BC was enormous in the 19th C. A link between Country people and Walsall may be the Saddlery trade. Rural people would have been familiar with horse saddles and trappings and Walsall was not only a national centre of the industry, but internationally( empire) as well. I would be surprised if there are not good records of the trade in Walsall archives. Much of the trade was "cottage" based, records of this are likely to be sparse, as are coherent records of all the small nail makers and forge workers further west. The link for particular people may be opaque, as it is with my "Thompson" tribe who were engine workers and butty men at Round Oak and other smaller iron works at the same time.. Roger Thompson. Graham Stanley wrote: >It turns out that my family (JARVIS) who lived in Walsall, Staffs for most of the C19th, originated from a tiny village in Berkshire (now Oxon) - Aston Tirrold. A couple of brothers, Thomas (b 1811) and Isaac (b 1822), both married women from Walsall around 1845 and raised their families there. >I know from asking this question on the Berkshire List, that rural life at this time was far from idyllic (Swing riots, famine, transportation and the like). Clearly they needed employment but what possessed them to go as far as the Black Country? Was there some sort of assisted passage scheme to take the Berkshire or Oxfordshire rural poor to the industrial midlands, as happened to Stephen Fry's East Anglian ancestors, who were sent to Lancashire mills (see recent series of "Who Do You Think You Are?") Was there an obvious transport link (railway/ canal)? >Any ideas how/why the brothers might have ended up in faraway Walsall gratefully recd. >Graham >Twickenham > > >==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== >The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross >(Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) > > > > >

Sorry - for Stephen Fry, please read Jeremy Paxman - they are not often confused! Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Stanley" <graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk> To: <OXFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: [OXF] Transport links to the Black County > It turns out that my family (JARVIS) who lived in Walsall, Staffs for most > of the C19th, originated from a tiny village in Berkshire (now Oxon) - > Aston Tirrold. A couple of brothers, Thomas (b 1811) and Isaac (b 1822), > both married women from Walsall around 1845 and raised their families > there. > I know from asking this question on the Berkshire List, that rural life at > this time was far from idyllic (Swing riots, famine, transportation and > the like). Clearly they needed employment but what possessed them to go as > far as the Black Country? Was there some sort of assisted passage scheme > to take the Berkshire or Oxfordshire rural poor to the industrial > midlands, as happened to Stephen Fry's East Anglian ancestors in Who Do > You Think You Are? Was there an obvious transport link (railway/ canal)? > Any ideas how/why the brothers might have ended up in faraway Walsall > gratefully recd. > Graham > Twickenham > > > ==== OXFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Check for others with matching interests on > OXSIL, the Oxfordshire surname interest list, at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oxsil/ > >

It turns out that my family (JARVIS) who lived in Walsall, Staffs for most of the C19th, originated from a tiny village in Berkshire (now Oxon) - Aston Tirrold. A couple of brothers, Thomas (b 1811) and Isaac (b 1822), both married women from Walsall around 1845 and raised their families there. I know from asking this question on the Berkshire List, that rural life at this time was far from idyllic (Swing riots, famine, transportation and the like). Clearly they needed employment but what possessed them to go as far as the Black Country? Was there some sort of assisted passage scheme to take the Berkshire or Oxfordshire rural poor to the industrial midlands, as happened to Stephen Fry's East Anglian ancestors, who were sent to Lancashire mills (see recent series of "Who Do You Think You Are?") Was there an obvious transport link (railway/ canal)? Any ideas how/why the brothers might have ended up in faraway Walsall gratefully recd. Graham Twickenham

Hello Bob, Just catching up on messages. Try this site http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/leisure_culture/libraries/archives/workshop/ In the March 2006 issue is reference to Cannon Industries. "Documenting the Workshop of the World" is an on-going project undertaken by The Black Country Archives Services, namely Dudley, Sandwell, Walsall & Wolverhampton. Hope this helps Regards Jean > Hello all > I apologize if I this has already been discussed. (Please point the way/paste the URL) My question for those of you with >connections to E. Sheldon & Co. / Cannon / Cannon Cosely is this. What Cannon archives still exist? And a follow-up question, >the Hudson Bay Company, probably smaller than Cannon but on the main line of history for it's many outposts and corporate >colonies, has a few Museums holding its archives in Canada. Also there is one in Vancouver Oregon. Has Cosely (or anywhere >else) something for Cannon?

Hi Tina, If you have not tasted real Scottish Haggis you have missed a culinary delight, especially when served with clapshot, that is a potato, swede and carrot mashed together with cream and herbs. The wild haggis is a very mild creature attracted by the aroma of Scotch Whisky at night, that is when the majority are trapped by the Haggis Hunters. You can always recognise when someone is off on a Haggis Hunt. It is always in the evening, the weather will be mild and the hunter is very secretive because he does not want even his friends to know the location he hunts. Oh, most important he will have a LARGE bottle of malt whisky in his pocket as bait. That is all that is needed. Its great fun. I really cannot wait for Haggis to be in season again Regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "john/tina edwards" <jedwards14@neo.rr.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis >I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but I >have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 Things to >do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It just doesn't sound >very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? Some suggestions have been >doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. Again you can answer off list at >jedwards14@neo.rr.com > Thanks all for reading this Tina in Ohio > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 25/04/2006 > >

Yes, people really eat Haggis. Ask a Scotsman what they eat on Burns night and piping the Haggis in. There is even a poem to the Haggis by Robert Burns. In fact they are getting more popular. You can even buy then in the supermarkets down near London. Also remember the neeps and tates to go with the Haggis. Fiona Caskey X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:22:26 -0400 From: "john/tina edwards" <jedwards14@neo.rr.com> To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000a01c66abe$6985ba60$030aa8c0@same25r090xrgo> Subject: OFF TOPIC:Haggis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but I have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 Things to do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It just doesn't sound very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? Some suggestions have been doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. Again you can answer off list at jedwards14@neo.rr.com Thanks all for reading this Tina in Ohio

On 28 Apr, Vanessa Morgan <Vanessa.Morgan1@btinternet.com> wrote: > Would this be Bowkett's on the Wolverhampton Road? I lived not far away > until my move to Cardiff (mom still lives there), but have to say I never > tried their faggots, only their "world champion sausages". It would indeed! And their sausages are indeed world class! > Vanessa (Cardiff) > -----Original Message----- > From: famhist@dsl.pipex.com [mailto:famhist@dsl.pipex.com] > Sent: 28 April 2006 16:40 > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > On 28 Apr, snape@cix.co.uk <snape@cix.co.uk> wrote: > > At the risk of bringing the theme on topic - the closest Black Country > > equivalent to haggis would be faggotts or savoury ducks. (Is the term > > "savoury duck" used in the BC or is it a Potteries expression?). > > Roughly similar ingredients to haggis but without the oatmeal. And much > tastier. > Savoury Ducks are found in the north - I certainly used to find them in > Yorkshire. Not as nice as faggots! > > > The ingredients (most of which, nowadays, many people would throw > > away) are stuffed into an abdominal membrane called "caul" rather than > > into a sheep's stomach. My grandmother used to call this "kell". > > A relative of mine who is now in his eighties, in Hallam Street, West > > Bromwich, still makes a batch of these occasionally. > Would you like my mother's recipe, still in use until her death 5 years ago? > I really must get round to making another batch of faggots! It was Bowkett's > that spoiled me, their faggots tasted just like home made that I used to go > there and not make my own. > > Ron S > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: john/tina edwards jedwards14@neo.rr.com > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:22:26 -0400 > > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > > I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but > > I have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 > > Things to do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It > > just doesn't sound very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? > > Some suggestions have been doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. > > Again you can answer off list at jedwards14@neo.rr.com > > Thanks all for reading this Tina in Ohio > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave > > Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > -- > Chris Ramsbottom > researching: > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY > MAHER > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 22/04/2006 > -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Would this be Bowkett's on the Wolverhampton Road? I lived not far away until my move to Cardiff (mom still lives there), but have to say I never tried their faggots, only their "world champion sausages". Vanessa (Cardiff) -----Original Message----- From: famhist@dsl.pipex.com [mailto:famhist@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: 28 April 2006 16:40 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis On 28 Apr, snape@cix.co.uk <snape@cix.co.uk> wrote: > At the risk of bringing the theme on topic - the closest Black Country > equivalent to haggis would be faggotts or savoury ducks. (Is the term > "savoury duck" used in the BC or is it a Potteries expression?). > Roughly similar ingredients to haggis but without the oatmeal. And much tastier. Savoury Ducks are found in the north - I certainly used to find them in Yorkshire. Not as nice as faggots! > The ingredients (most of which, nowadays, many people would throw > away) are stuffed into an abdominal membrane called "caul" rather than > into a sheep's stomach. My grandmother used to call this "kell". > A relative of mine who is now in his eighties, in Hallam Street, West > Bromwich, still makes a batch of these occasionally. Would you like my mother's recipe, still in use until her death 5 years ago? I really must get round to making another batch of faggots! It was Bowkett's that spoiled me, their faggots tasted just like home made that I used to go there and not make my own. > Ron S > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: john/tina edwards jedwards14@neo.rr.com > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:22:26 -0400 > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but > I have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 > Things to do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It > just doesn't sound very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? > Some suggestions have been doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. > Again you can answer off list at jedwards14@neo.rr.com > Thanks all for reading this Tina in Ohio > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave > Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 22/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006

On 28 Apr, john/tina edwards <jedwards14@neo.rr.com> wrote: > Yes please. I think I would like to try them. Tina in Ohio Here goes then: Take a pound of fry with kel. (Kel has already been explained: fry is pig's offal.) Don't have lights (lungs) in it as these turn the faggots bitter. Boil for 30 minutes and drain, reserving the liquid. Soak about 1 pound of white bread, crusts included, in water. Squeeze out excess water until the bread forms a nut in your hand. Put the kel to soak in warm water. Now mince the fry with an onion (you could have cooked the onion with the fry, leaving it whole, but I prefer it raw) and add the soaked bread. (If you didn't soak the bread, pass a slice or two of very thickly cut white bread through the mincer. This will both clean the mincer and give you some bread for the mix. I suspect this is what Mom used to do if she forgot to soak the bread!) Season very strongly with salt and pepper, and add sage and/or pennyroyal if available. (Pennyroyal is of the mint family and has a bitter mint taste. You can grow it in the garden, but be careful, you'll only need to plant it once!) Moisten if needed with some of the water from boiling the fry, but don't use it all! Take the soaked kel and cut it into squares. Take the faggot mixture and form it into balls in the palm of your hand. Wrap each faggot in a square of kel and place in a roasting tin. Add the water from the initial boil of the fry and roast at about Gas 5 for about 40 minutes. Serve with mushy peas, gravy made from the juices in the pan, and crusty bread. Two faggots per person is quite adequate. Mom used to make these when anyone was poorly as they possess amazing restorative powers! Enjoy! -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

I was most intrigued by your inquiry into the subject. Listing you said that there was something in Vancouver, Oregon. Having lived in Oregon all my life I decided to see if such a place exists. There is no Vancouver, Oregon (USA) though right across the Columbia River from Portland, Oregon 'is' Vancouver, Washington (USA). In the Northwest we differentiate between the two Vancouvers with either Vancouver USA (sometimes Washington is used in place of USA) or Vancouver BC (British Columbia). -john Springfield, Oregon (USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Cooper" <sierrasnow@cox.net> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 17:13 Subject: [B.C.] Sheldon Cannon Cosely > Hello all > I apologize if I this has already been discussed. (Please point the > way/paste the URL) My question for those of you with connections to E. > Sheldon & Co. / Cannon / Cannon Cosely is this. What Cannon archives still > exist? And a follow-up question, the Hudson Bay Company, probably smaller > than Cannon but on the main line of history for it's many outposts and > corporate colonies, has a few Museums holding its archives in Canada. Also > there is one in Vancouver Oregon. Has Cosely (or anywhere else) something > for Cannon? > > Thank you > Bob C. Oceanside Calif. > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! >

On 28 Apr, john/tina edwards <jedwards14@neo.rr.com> wrote: > Thankyou. I have learned something. Now what is pays?I have heard of faggots > before but never pays. Pays is the dialect pronunciation of "peas" - green mushy ones! > ----- Original Message ----- From: > <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: > Friday, April 28, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > > On 28 Apr, john/tina edwards <jedwards14@neo.rr.com> wrote: > > > I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but I > > > have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 Things > > > to do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It just doesn't > > > sound very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? Some suggestions > > > have been doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. Again you can answer > > > off list at jedwards14@neo.rr.com Thanks all for reading this Tina in > > > Ohio > > > > Bringing it back to the Black Country, haggis is actually extremely > similar > > to our own faggots - and what true Black Countryperson would turn their > > nose up at faggots and pays?! > > > > -- > > Chris Ramsbottom > > researching: > > > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY > > MAHER > > > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them! -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

On 28 Apr, snape@cix.co.uk <snape@cix.co.uk> wrote: > At the risk of bringing the theme on topic - the closest Black Country > equivalent to haggis would be faggotts or savoury ducks. (Is the term > "savoury duck" used in the BC or is it a Potteries expression?). Roughly > similar ingredients to haggis but without the oatmeal. And much tastier. Savoury Ducks are found in the north - I certainly used to find them in Yorkshire. Not as nice as faggots! > The ingredients (most of which, nowadays, many people would throw away) > are stuffed into an abdominal membrane called "caul" rather than into a > sheep's stomach. My grandmother used to call this "kell". > A relative of mine who is now in his eighties, in Hallam Street, West > Bromwich, still makes a batch of these occasionally. Would you like my mother's recipe, still in use until her death 5 years ago? I really must get round to making another batch of faggots! It was Bowkett's that spoiled me, their faggots tasted just like home made that I used to go there and not make my own. > Ron S > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: john/tina edwards jedwards14@neo.rr.com > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:22:26 -0400 > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but I > have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 Things to > do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It just doesn't sound > very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? Some suggestions have been > doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. Again you can answer off list at > jedwards14@neo.rr.com > Thanks all for reading this Tina in Ohio > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Another lovely name for a place to live but possibly not living up to its name? Does anyone know anything about Beauty Banks, how it got its name and what sort of area it was like prior to the 1870's? Regards Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker

On 28 Apr, john/tina edwards <jedwards14@neo.rr.com> wrote: > I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but I > have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 Things > to do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It just doesn't > sound very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? Some suggestions > have been doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. Again you can answer > off list at jedwards14@neo.rr.com Thanks all for reading this Tina in > Ohio Bringing it back to the Black Country, haggis is actually extremely similar to our own faggots - and what true Black Countryperson would turn their nose up at faggots and pays?! -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Yes please. I think I would like to try them. Tina in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > On 28 Apr, snape@cix.co.uk <snape@cix.co.uk> wrote: > > At the risk of bringing the theme on topic - the closest Black Country > > equivalent to haggis would be faggotts or savoury ducks. (Is the term > > "savoury duck" used in the BC or is it a Potteries expression?). Roughly > > similar ingredients to haggis but without the oatmeal. And much tastier. > > Savoury Ducks are found in the north - I certainly used to find them in > Yorkshire. Not as nice as faggots! > > > The ingredients (most of which, nowadays, many people would throw away) > > are stuffed into an abdominal membrane called "caul" rather than into a > > sheep's stomach. My grandmother used to call this "kell". > > > A relative of mine who is now in his eighties, in Hallam Street, West > > Bromwich, still makes a batch of these occasionally. > > Would you like my mother's recipe, still in use until her death 5 years > ago? I really must get round to making another batch of faggots! It was > Bowkett's that spoiled me, their faggots tasted just like home made that I > used to go there and not make my own. > > > Ron S > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: john/tina edwards jedwards14@neo.rr.com > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:22:26 -0400 > > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > > > > I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but I > > have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 Things to > > do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It just doesn't sound > > very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? Some suggestions have been > > doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. Again you can answer off list at > > jedwards14@neo.rr.com > > Thanks all for reading this Tina in Ohio > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk > > -- > Chris Ramsbottom > researching: > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY > MAHER > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The B.C. List Admin is Dave Ogden :- > d.ogden@blueyonder.co.uk

Thankyou. I have learned something. Now what is pays?I have heard of faggots before but never pays. ----- Original Message ----- From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [B.C.] OFF TOPIC:Haggis > On 28 Apr, john/tina edwards <jedwards14@neo.rr.com> wrote: > > I apologize for being off topic. You can send me answers off list but I > > have to ask.On a other list I'm on there is the question of: 101 Things > > to do with Haggis. First off do people really eat this?! It just doesn't > > sound very ummmm good. Also what would you do with it? Some suggestions > > have been doorstop,cat food,dog food, and so on. Again you can answer > > off list at jedwards14@neo.rr.com Thanks all for reading this Tina in > > Ohio > > Bringing it back to the Black Country, haggis is actually extremely similar > to our own faggots - and what true Black Countryperson would turn their > nose up at faggots and pays?! > > -- > Chris Ramsbottom > researching: > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY > MAHER > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > Wherever possible (except for personal messages) > please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them!