Mary and all I agree, the mails are few are far between these days - is there any reason for this ? Rob G Halesowen -----Original Message----- From: MaryB [mailto:mbrettel@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 29 May 2006 00:00 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B.C.] Hello, is anyone there? I haven't had any email through from the list so this is a test to see if my sub is still working. Sorry to bother you all. Cheers MaryB Brisbane ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== Wherever possible (except for personal messages) please post replies to the list.Other people can learn from them!

> Two bank hols very close together may play a part (inc today),... It's also a long weekend in the States with Memorial Day today - many people on the road. > ... there again perhaps everyone has completed their BC trees? Now what fun would there be in that! Paul, Maryland, USA -- Researching Black Country names: WHITEHOUSE, DAVIS, LEES, SPITTLE, SMALL, DITHERIDGE, BEDDOW, TAYLOR, ASTON, ATTWOOD, RICHARDS, PEERS, WRIGHT. Info on these can be viewed at: http://home.comcast.net/~whitehouse-family/ (best viewed in Mac OS X)

Thanks to everyone regarding my Walsall Foreign enquiry. Sam. -----Original Message----- From: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: 29 May 2006 05:00 To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D Digest V06 #220 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 23/05/2006

I haven't had any email through from the list so this is a test to see if my sub is still working. Sorry to bother you all. Cheers MaryB Brisbane

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Hello list, Could someone explain to me what Walsall foreign refers to when given as a place of birth. Many Thanks Sam.

Hi Sam. Walsall Foreign is half of the township of Walsall which is in made up of Walsall Borough and Walsall Foriegn. The Borough part is around 100 acres while the Foreign ( meaning that part of a town that lies outside the parish proper. SOED Definition) has some 8000 acres in the areas surrounding the borough. A better and more detailed explanation can be found at www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Walsall/Index.html John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samantha Wiggin" <samantha.wiggin@virgin.net> To: <ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: [B.C.] Walsall Foreign > Hello list, > > > > Could someone explain to me what Walsall foreign refers to when given as a > place of birth. > > Many Thanks > > Sam. > > > > ==== ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Mailing List ==== > The Assistant List Admins are Jean Morgan and Jan Ross > (Couldn't do it without those two great ladies) >

Hi All, I am in Brisbane, Aus and have a will of a John Brettell, bricklayer, of Stourbridge who had an eldest son and heir William, a son Samuel and a son John. The son Samuel had two daughters Ann & Elizabeth (all this from the will). I am conducting a one name study on BRETTELL and variants and cannot figure out who this John Brettell, a bricklayer in 1779 was. My own line comes from Halesowen and Romsley areas up until the 1770s then Birmingham and later London (from early 1800s). I wonder if anyone has any idea how I could find out who this John Brettell in Stourbridge in 1779 (the will was proved 1782) was. Thanks heaps. MaryB

Dave per our discussion below on the Irish to Brazil the Lost 300 did you post anything else I'm very interested in this and is their a list of names of these people. I know nothing about the ill fated trip to Brazil all I have is a line in the Bible that says "Arrived in Philadelphia 20 Feb 1870 from Brazil" I've checked ship records for1869-70-71 but can not fine the record. Would be very interested in the records of this Brazilian trip. One other line in the Bible is the birth record of "Patrick Atlantic Ocean Murphy born 10 April 1868 on board the ship and died. Hi Mason, Didn't know that too many people knew of what happened with the ill fated trip to Brazil (The lost 300 we call it). Which list was your post on? Would love to have a gander to see if it ties in with what we have here. Dave 8-)) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 5/26/2006

On 26 May, RAYMOND SPICER <RaySpicer@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Have a nice weekend everyone > Ray That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day! -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Have a nice weekend everyone Ray

Hi Listers, Can anyone tell me if the Shakespeare Inn, Bridge Road Tipton, is still standing please? Also if someone has a picture of it and would be able to send it to me, I would be most grateful. A relative, John Hathaway, was the licensee from about 1870. Kind regards Ducie Tweed Heads NSW, home of Mt Warning, where the sun first kisses Australia http://www.geocities.com/twintownsfamilyhistory Protected by Norton Anti-Virus, updated daily

Hi Paul and Ged My connection with the Corbett's is through my G/Aunt Rachel Spicer who married Jabez Corbett b 1856, they married in 1894 and I have located 3 girl's Ethel,Florence and Rachel all born in Tipton. Paul I have a Sarah Whitehouse b 1818 who married My G/G/Grandfather Ray

Hi Ducie, The Shakespear Inn, on Bridge Road Tipton, was demolished in the 80's and in it's place are houses. Hope this helps Ann --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.

G'day Jen No BC association in Australia that I know of but you can join the BC Society as an overseas member. See http://www.blackcountrysociety.co.uk/ The cost is 25 UK Pounds (about $63 Australian) and you get an excellent quarterly magazine. Great idea but if we start a club over here the travelling to meetings might be a bit of problem, where do we meet? In Alice Spring? :) All the best from the bottom left hand corner of OZ. Ian Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia ian@sedgleymanor.com Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL BANKS Jen wrote: > Hi All > > Does anyone know if there is any sort of association here in Australia > for people with Black Country ties? If not, does anyone else think this > might be a good/fun idea? > > Cheers > Jen

Hi All Does anyone know if there is any sort of association here in Australia for people with Black Country ties? If not, does anyone else think this might be a good/fun idea? Cheers Jen > _____________________________________________ > From: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 May 2006 9:45 AM > To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-D Digest V06 #215 > > << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Re:Rose & Crown > Netherton >> << Message: Bache- Dudley >> << Message: Re: [B.C.] > WHITEHOUSE of Tipton >> << Message: The BBC cocks up again! >> << > Message: off topic >> << Message: RE: 'Rose & Crown', Darby End, > Netherton >>

Hi Everyone, I am new to the list and hope that someone can help me with two of my ancestors, Wordley, also used Wardley, lived in Great Bridge, Millward, also used Milward, Lived in Ocker hill Tipton. Thanks Ann --------------------------------- Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail.

Carl, I can't help you with your query on the pub, but I am interested in the Netherton area. I have a MANTLE ancestor who was born in Netherton in 1838, and her father's occupation is shown as "Minor". Would he have been a coal miner? Were there coal mines in this area? If not, what other mines were there? Regards, Chris Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: Carl Higgs [mailto:cjhiggs@11vale.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 7:59 AM To: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 'Rose & Crown', Darby End, Netherton Hi, can anyone out there offer me any information about the old Rose and Crown public house, which stood on the corner of Double Row/Withymoor Road, at Darby End, Netherton. My ancestor Job Bird was recorded as a publican on the 1841 census, living along Northfield Road, Darby End. He died later the same year aged 56, and his widow Ann Bird (nee Gould) was next recorded living on the corner of Double Row, as a 'victualler' in 1851. This was the 'Rose and Crown' or its predecessor, as listed on the 1861 census. Ann Bird continued to run this pub until her death at the age of 85 in 1868. Thereafter, Job and Ann's unmarried daughter, Esther Bird, took over the Rose and Crown, until her own death in 1874. The pub then transferred into the hands of Esther's sister-in-law, Louisa Bird (widow of Esther's brother Benjamin) who was still there in 1891. By 1901, however, Louisa had moved in with her married daughter's family in nearby Gill Street. She died in 1910 and was buried along with the rest of the Bird family in St. Andrew's churchyard. This appears to have marked the end of the Bird family's associations with the Rose and Crown. The actual building is still standing but has been unsympathetically converted into flats. Any information concerning when the pub was built, whether the name changed, names of later licensees, and when it was delicensed, etc., gratefully received - also does anyone have a photo of it when it was still a pub? Yours hopefully Carl Higgs ______________________________

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Hello, I have Corbetts and Whithouse' on my family tree though not sure of Black Country links as such: Anne Corbett b1835 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire (father John) married Edward Tittley b1826. Harriet Whitehouse b1851 Nechells, Birmingham married Alfred Coleman. Cheers, Ged Hickman Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com