Came across three youngsters from Walsall who show up in 1881 on the Industrial Training Ship 'Formidable' at Bristol. They were Robert Coates (abt 1869), Frederick Green same age & Frederick Saunders a year older. Just wondered if anyone had come across them before and knew how they ended up there? Everything I read about the Industrial Schools majors on them being for juvenile delinquents. The Bristol Mercury talked about "destitute and neglected boys .... from the haunts of ignorance, wretchedness and vices." I know a bit about Robert because he's a cousin of my great grandmother. He was in the navy in 1891 and back in Walsall with family by 1901. Does anyone know if some boys were sent to these schools/ships simply to get training or was it just those who were sent their by a magistrate's order? Thanks Tracy

Velda Many thanks for posting this link. Lots of connections here to the Amblecote parish, Bridgens, Nashs, Suttons to name a few. Regards, Tom Tom Greenwood Sudbury, MA USA Researching: GREENWOOD pre 1700 West Riding of Yorkshire BRIDGENS Amblecote, Brierley Hill, Wollaston, Birmingham BURFORD Amblecote, Brierley Hill NASH Amblecote, Brierley Hill SUTTON Amblecote, Wollaston LONGMORE Old Swinford, Brierley Hill, Kingswinford, Birmingham BATEMAN Amblecote, Canon Frome NEVIL Old Swinford RICKETTS Old Swinford TENCH Amblecote HAMMONDS Amblecote? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Velda Hampton Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:46 To: [email protected] Subject: [Black Country] Amblecote Parish Church (Holy Trinity) If anyone is interested in this Church there is lots of information on this site http://www.holytrinityamblecote.org.uk/ Velda ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If anyone is interested in this Church there is lots of information on this site http://www.holytrinityamblecote.org.uk/ Velda

With the consent of BC Rootsweb Admin I forward a message that I think concerns all of us. "Family History Online" has closed down. Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Addis-Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:50 PM > Subject: [NTH] Loss of Online Records from Family History Online > > >> At 1pm BST tomorrow Monday 2 March 2009 the Federation of Family History >> Societies (FFHS) run web site Family History Online (FHOL) is closing >> down. Many of the millions of records on that site have been transferred >> to FindMyPast (FMP) - but millions have not! >> >> Those records that have not been transferred will usually still be >> available for searching from the original contributing Family History >> Society, but not as an online resource with all the advantages of >> being able to look at lists of search results from which to choose the >> most likely candidates, etc. The loss of the online census records >> will not be so bad as there are copies online elsewhere though >> probably not as accurate in many cases. The loss of millions of >> online burial, marriage and baptism index records is another matter >> entirely . . . Certainly there are some alternative online resources >> such as FreeReg, but for most counties this will not come close to the >> numbers of similar records that have been on FHOL. >> >> The list of all the FHOL databases, annotated to show those that are >> not being transferred, can be found at: >> http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/database/index.shtml >> >> Northamptonshire has not been affected but other counties such as >> Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire have. >> >> Unfortunately, after the initial announcement in 2007 of the transfer >> of records from FHOL to FMP, and of the batches of subsequent >> transfers to FMP, there has been no publicity outside of the FHOL web >> site, as far as I have found, about either the closure date or the >> loss of the many million online records that are NOT being >> transferred. >> >> I think that the FFHS has slipped up badly in not advising the public >> of the true state of the (non) data transfer between FHOL and FMP . . > >> Cheers, John > >

Rob: Try Scotland's People, at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/. Very good and comprehensive, but a pay site. Regards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Granite Wall Hi, Paul, Thanks for your prompt reply. No, haven't tried the Scottish BMDs yet. Do you have a website for them? Rob. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Prescott <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:24 Subject: Re: [Black Country] Granite Wall Rob: FreeBMD also has a 5th child: John R. CAMPBELL (DONECHAY), birth registered 1919q2 in Dudley. No sign of an infant death for him. Regards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: [Black Country] Granite Wall >I have hit a wall harder than a brick one!! I am trying to trace the BMDs >of Reginald Cooper Campbell, b. approx. 1896 and Edith Gladys Donachay (or >Donachie). I think that they married around 1920. They had 4 children: > > Walter Raymond Campbell, b. 24.10.1922 > Edith Joan Campbell, b. 9.3.1921 > Barbara Mary? Campbell, b. 1928 and > Patricia Yvonne Campbell, b. 1935 > > I can find no trace whatsoever of Reginald and Edith. I understand that > Edith may have come from 'Up North'. The only posibility I can think of is > that they changed their names for some reason. Is there anyone who may be > able to help me in solving this puzzle? > Rob. of Portsmouth > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Rob: FreeBMD also has a 5th child: John R. CAMPBELL (DONECHAY), birth registered 1919q2 in Dudley. No sign of an infant death for him. Regards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: [Black Country] Granite Wall >I have hit a wall harder than a brick one!! I am trying to trace the BMDs >of Reginald Cooper Campbell, b. approx. 1896 and Edith Gladys Donachay (or >Donachie). I think that they married around 1920. They had 4 children: > > Walter Raymond Campbell, b. 24.10.1922 > Edith Joan Campbell, b. 9.3.1921 > Barbara Mary? Campbell, b. 1928 and > Patricia Yvonne Campbell, b. 1935 > > I can find no trace whatsoever of Reginald and Edith. I understand that > Edith may have come from 'Up North'. The only posibility I can think of is > that they changed their names for some reason. Is there anyone who may be > able to help me in solving this puzzle? > Rob. of Portsmouth > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rob: No obvious signs of them in England on FreeBMD. But CAMPBELL and DONACHIE are both Scottish surnames, so it's quite likely they will be found there. Have you tried Scottish BMDs? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: [Black Country] Granite Wall >I have hit a wall harder than a brick one!! I am trying to trace the BMDs >of Reginald Cooper Campbell, b. approx. 1896 and Edith Gladys Donachay (or >Donachie). I think that they married around 1920. They had 4 children: > > Walter Raymond Campbell, b. 24.10.1922 > Edith Joan Campbell, b. 9.3.1921 > Barbara Mary? Campbell, b. 1928 and > Patricia Yvonne Campbell, b. 1935 > > I can find no trace whatsoever of Reginald and Edith. I understand that > Edith may have come from 'Up North'. The only posibility I can think of is > that they changed their names for some reason. Is there anyone who may be > able to help me in solving this puzzle? > Rob. of Portsmouth > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Yes this is his mother She married again in 1918 to a patrick mc dermott and again in 1937 to a thomas walker Regards Sue Susan J Pole Purchasing Dept [email protected] F : +44 (0) 1384 408097 F : +44 (0) 1384 408414 Kennametal UK Ltd. | PO Box 29, The Pensnett Estate | Kingswinford, DY6 7NP | www.kennametal.com [email protected] Sent by: [email protected] 26/02/2009 08:00 Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38 Today's Topics: 1. HODGES FROM TIVIDALE/ ([email protected]) 2. Re: HODGES FROM TIVIDALE/ (Maggie Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:47:23 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: [Black Country] HODGES FROM TIVIDALE/ To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]etal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Looking for my relatives My grandad was john thomas hodges who died in 1964 and is buried in dudley cemetary, also his daughter clara hodges who was born in 1881 and died in 1956. and is also buried with my grandan. but I have not been able to find out about my grandmother or her name. Can anybody help me with this yours Sue ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:55:28 +0100 (CET) From: Maggie Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] HODGES FROM TIVIDALE/ To: [email protected] Cc: Black Country <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Sue You will need to get the birth certificate for your father (or mother) - this will tell you the name of John's wife - you can then look through the GRO records to find a marriage. Ancestry have indexed all births now, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem to find. I have looked at the buriel records for Dudley and it would seem that John was born in 1902 - Clara Walker, who is buried with him, died in 1956 and it Aged 76 - this would mean she was born in 1881 - is this his mother? Best wishes and Good Luck - Maggie ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38 ************************************************

I am up against a very big brick wall on my SIMPSON family research. I have found my gr,grandfather Henry SIMPSON living at 55 Eva Road in the 1911 census. My brick wall is that I cannot find his marriage to Rachel MORRIS. I know he and Rachel went to America when their daughter Ruth was only one year old - Henry was 22 and Rachel was 19. It appears that Henry's mother Mary accompanied them. They returned to the West Midlands area with another three children who were born in the USA and my grandfather was born in 1881. I have also found from the 1901 and 1911 census that Ruth had married a George DAVEY and in the 1901 census had one child Doris. In the 1911 census Ruth and George had another three children - Thomas (who was registered as George Thomas), William Henry and Lavinia. I would be very grateful if someone could shed some light on this for me as I cannot take my SIMPSON research any further until I can confirm the parents, or at least father of Henry SIMPSON. In grateful anticipation, Kerry from Queensland, Australia

I have hit a wall harder than a brick one!! I am trying to trace the BMDs of Reginald Cooper Campbell, b. approx. 1896 and Edith Gladys Donachay (or Donachie). I think that they married around 1920. They had 4 children: Walter Raymond Campbell, b. 24.10.1922 Edith Joan Campbell, b. 9.3.1921 Barbara Mary? Campbell, b. 1928 and Patricia Yvonne Campbell, b. 1935 I can find no trace whatsoever of Reginald and Edith. I understand that Edith may have come from 'Up North'. The only posibility I can think of is that they changed their names for some reason. Is there anyone who may be able to help me in solving this puzzle? Rob. of Portsmouth ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Good Morning I have been updating my Salt Family Tree on Tribal Pages and now have a very extensive Barklam family. I would love to hear from anyone who has a connection with the Barklam's or if you know any of the family who probably don't see the Black Country list - perhaps you could pass on my e mail address and ask them to get in touch. If anyone would like to see the information I have collected, it can be found on http://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ - please contact me for the password. Maggie Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT

Good Morning I wondered if anyone is researching the Smith family (yes I know it's a long shot) from West Bromwich. John Smith, born around 1886 in West Bromwich, the son of George Smith and Elizabeth Pilliner (both from Sedgley). John married Lois Parlow, daughter of Samuel Parlow and Sarah Barklam. George and Elizabeth had a son - John Pilliner Smith, born in 1912 and I think may have died in 2005. I would love to hear from anyone connected to these families Kind Regards - Maggie ttp://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ www.familytrails.net Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT

Hello Sue You will need to get the birth certificate for your father (or mother) - this will tell you the name of John's wife - you can then look through the GRO records to find a marriage. Ancestry have indexed all births now, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem to find. I have looked at the buriel records for Dudley and it would seem that John was born in 1902 - Clara Walker, who is buried with him, died in 1956 and it Aged 76 - this would mean she was born in 1881 - is this his mother? Best wishes and Good Luck - Maggie

Hi Looking for my relatives My grandad was john thomas hodges who died in 1964 and is buried in dudley cemetary, also his daughter clara hodges who was born in 1881 and died in 1956. and is also buried with my grandan. but I have not been able to find out about my grandmother or her name. Can anybody help me with this yours Sue

Here in  Australia British  magazines come out about 3 months behind the UK, and because I was away from home at the time it was published, I missed getting the July issue, #11, (with Nigella Lawson on the cover) of the BBC's Who Do You Think You Are? magazine. Would anyone have a copy they can spare me? The publishers tell me they have run out of stock, so I can't buy it directly from them, and believe me. I've tried! Regards Jenni Kirkham Perth Western Australia Researching Adlington/Hadlington/Addleton/Haddleton/Adlenton, Cradley, Priest, Willetts, Trowman(s) Rowley Regis, Burling London 1860's, Kirkham Worcs/Shropshire 1840's Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox

Hi Malcolm I don't know if this will help you, but I have a Benjamin Hartland born 1774 at Sedgley his parents where Robert Hartland and Hannah Robinson Robert came from Kingswinford and Hannah from Sedgley they married at Sedgley in 1773, Benjamin Sister Mary born 1776 was my gr ?grandmother she married Thomas Taylor they will still both alive in the 1841 census living at Sedgley I am wondering if your Benjamin could be the son of my Benjamin Hartland I have no more info on him thou Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Platt-Grigg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: [Black Country] Benjamin Hartland help please > G'day List, > Just wondering if anyone has access to St.Thomas, Dudley baptisms. > I'm looking for Benjamin Hartland, born around 1818. Census records > consistently show him as being born in Dudley, 1818. > At his marriage, the witnesses were Isaiah & Ann Hartland who I think may > have been his parents. > I've searched the IGI with no luck. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Malcolm. > > UK Transcriptions website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ > My personal website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html > Researching GRIGG Halesowen, Dudley, Harborne, Birmingham. > PLATT Darlaston, Wednesbury, Birmingham. > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00

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Thanks Velda. That's spot on; the facts tie up beautifully with what I already have. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Velda Hampton" <[email protected]> To: "D&P Veasey" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Thomas Henry BLAKEMAN > Hi Peter > Could this be the family in 1851- transcribed as BLAKEMORE ? Blakemore > and > Blakeman often seem to be mixed up. The father is a stone cutter. > > Velda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D&P Veasey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:14 PM > Subject: [Black Country] Thomas Henry BLAKEMAN > > >>I am seeking more information regarding Thomas Henry BLAKEMAN. I have >>found >> him in the censuses of 1881 to 1901 and from these I deduce he was born >> in >> Wednesbury about 1849. I have his marriage certificate from 1872 and >> from >> this I find his father was Edward BLAKEMAN, stone mason. Unfortunately I >> cannot find positive BMD or census evidence for either of these gentlemen >> before 1872. Can anybody please take this further? >> >> Peter >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

G'day List, Just wondering if anyone has access to St.Thomas, Dudley baptisms. I'm looking for Benjamin Hartland, born around 1818. Census records consistently show him as being born in Dudley, 1818. At his marriage, the witnesses were Isaiah & Ann Hartland who I think may have been his parents. I've searched the IGI with no luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Malcolm. UK Transcriptions website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ My personal website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html Researching GRIGG Halesowen, Dudley, Harborne, Birmingham. PLATT Darlaston, Wednesbury, Birmingham.

I am seeking more information regarding Thomas Henry BLAKEMAN. I have found him in the censuses of 1881 to 1901 and from these I deduce he was born in Wednesbury about 1849. I have his marriage certificate from 1872 and from this I find his father was Edward BLAKEMAN, stone mason. Unfortunately I cannot find positive BMD or census evidence for either of these gentlemen before 1872. Can anybody please take this further? Peter