I'm hoping someone can help me understand a death which occurred in the 1870's.? The victim was 33 and the cause of death was given by his widow as cirrhosis of the liver.? Less than six months earlier he had appeared at his sister's house (after several years of not hearing from him) and convinced her and her policeman husband that he was capable of providing for their son's education.? He was a publican, and I understand this would require a yearly appearance at the licensing board.? Curiously, he continued to appear for review for two years after his death.? BTW, his wife had remarried about three months after his death. I would like to know something of the course such a disease takes.? Could he seem healthy a few months before his death?? It may have only been one or two months after his visit.? We're not sure of the date of the visit.? Could he have been such a severe alcoholic and still passed the licensing review?? Would cirrhosis of the liver take a man who was only 33?? Doesn't it take longer?? Would there be other hazards a publican might face with chemicals that could cause such a death?? Ideas, anyone? Of course we are proud of his perseverance and diligence in continuing to report after his death. Cheers :),? Lois

Hello BC listers, I am trying to trace the marriage of my Maternal Grandmother, Mary Ann MILLINGTON b.1884 Bradley. She married John Thomas FOLLOWS b. circa 1881 Tipton. I have found a marriage registration in the district of Dudley in the July, Aug, Sept quarter 1908 but I always thought she was married in Bradley possibly St Martins as she was living in Hill Street on the 1901 census. Was Dudley the registration district for Bradley? I would like to try and narrow the date down to send for a marriage certificate. Any help would be appreciated. Ed Elks.

Hi Cassy St Edmunds has a web site that also mentions St Thomas. Try www.stedmunds.zoomshare.com/0.html Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Dedications - Top Church, Dudley > Not a 100% sure , But we have two Churches in Dudley > St Thomas top church and St Edmonds bottom church > They where closely linked at one point , > St Edmunds was knocked down during the civil wars has it held out for > the Royalists , but later rebuilt , but St Edmunds is called St Edmunds > the Martyr > St Thomas does have a web site not sure of the address , but this does > give > you some history > of the church > > > Cassy > Assistant Admin Black Country > Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] Dedications - Top Church, Dudley > > >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone know why when the present Top Church was dedicated in >> 1818 it was to St Thomas the Apostle but the former building, >> demolished in 1815, was to St Thomas the Martyr? >> >> Thanks >> >> Bryan Slim >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15/09 > 14:07:00 > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00

Thanks for your comments Cassy. My source for St Thomas the Martyr is: 'The parish church of St Thomas and St Luke, Dudley'. brief note for visitors which I picked up a few years ago in the church. However, you make a good point and I went back to the files. St Edmund King and Martyr was demolished in 1646 and the parish was merged with St Thomas (Top Church) and, although the church was rebuilt in 1724 it remained a chapel of ease to St Thomas until 1844 when St Edmund parish was re-created. Hence it appears that the compiler of Top Churches's 'Brief Notes' may have crossed their wires. Bryan > >Not a 100% sure , But we have two Churches in Dudley >St Thomas top church and St Edmonds bottom church >They where closely linked at one point , >St Edmunds was knocked down during the civil wars has it held out for >the Royalists , but later rebuilt , but St Edmunds is called St Edmunds >the Martyr >St Thomas does have a web site not sure of the address , but this >does give you some history >of the church > > >Cassy >Assistant Admin Black Country >Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:02 PM >Subject: Re: [Black Country] Dedications - Top Church, Dudley > >>Hi all, >> >>Does anyone know why when the present Top Church was dedicated in >>1818 it was to St Thomas the Apostle but the former building, >>demolished in 1815, was to St Thomas the Martyr? >> >>Thanks >> >>Bryan Slim >>------------------------------------- >>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >>the area. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: >03/15/09 14:07:00 > > >Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Description: "AVG certification" > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: >03/15/09 14:07:00

Not a 100% sure , But we have two Churches in Dudley St Thomas top church and St Edmonds bottom church They where closely linked at one point , St Edmunds was knocked down during the civil wars has it held out for the Royalists , but later rebuilt , but St Edmunds is called St Edmunds the Martyr St Thomas does have a web site not sure of the address , but this does give you some history of the church Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Dedications - Top Church, Dudley > Hi all, > > Does anyone know why when the present Top Church was dedicated in > 1818 it was to St Thomas the Apostle but the former building, > demolished in 1815, was to St Thomas the Martyr? > > Thanks > > Bryan Slim > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15/09 14:07:00

Greetings, All... I know this isn't strictly a BC question, but I have an intriguing question concerning the marriage of my great grandparents. According to their marriage certificate [date is 20 April, 1873], they were married in The Parish Church, Edgbaston. I understand this to be a CofE church, which is curious, because as far as I know, they were Roman Catholic. I know that until a certain date, all marriages had to be conducted in the 'established church' i.e. CofE, and I'm wondering exactly when this practice ceased, and marriages conducted in churches of other faiths were recognized. I'd also like to know the actual name and address of this 'Parish Church', as I'm planning another trip to the UK this September [Are you paying attention Dave???], and I'd like to visit and perhaps peruse the records for some further background information. Regards to all... Phil Irons, Sydney, Nova Scotia

Hi all, Does anyone know why when the present Top Church was dedicated in 1818 it was to St Thomas the Apostle but the former building, demolished in 1815, was to St Thomas the Martyr? Thanks Bryan Slim

Hello Lois Two churches in the Pleck spring to mind - Saint John's Anglican Church in Pleck Road and the Methodist Church at the "Brown Lion" junction of Wednesbury and Bescot Roads. Both of the churches I mention have been demolished and replaced by modest structures. There were Nonconformist Chapels also, but I know nothing of them. Recent demographic changes may have temples. Again I know nothing of them. John B Davies Hermanus, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Subject: [Black Country] Pleck Church Hi All, ? Could someone please tell me if Pleck Church, Walsall, is a specific church, or if it refers to a group of churches?? I tried to google it and although I have a record of a marriage in Pleck Church, Walsall, it looks as if there were "Pleck Churches", plural.? Help! Lois

Hello, I am looking for a map of Kingswinford in about 1910. I have found one for 1902 but that is too early to show my Mother house. The house was build about 1905. I am looking for a Map which covers Stream Road. Does anyone know where I can get a map from. Thank you Regards Fiona Caskey

Hi All, ? Could someone please tell me if Pleck Church, Walsall, is a specific church, or if it refers to a group of churches?? I tried to google it and although I have a record of a marriage in Pleck Church, Walsall, it looks as if there were "Pleck Churches", plural.? Help! Lois

Hi Listers Sorry, this isn't totally on-topic but I think many of you could find it extremely interesting. Quote "Detective work by a British historian has unearthed information that could enable thousands to piece together their family histories." See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7940540.stm Regrds Ian -- Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia [email protected] Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Family Tree Blog at http://www.familytreeblog.com Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL

[email protected] wrote: > > Has anyone any idea where I can get a copy or information about the notices > that agents used to entice Black Country miners to move to other parts of the > country. > > Yorkie Hi, Just wondering if you found anything further about this? My Black Country Pace family of Shareshill, Laney Green http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/pitt.htm Church of St.Mary & St.Luke PACE PITT CORBETT DUDLEY GOSLING and other surnames show up in coal mining areas where people of these surnames went. Over here in CANADA I have come across historical accounts that said miners from STAFFORDSHIRE had been involved in mining at CROWS NEST PASS, Alberta' some were killed in the mountain collapse burying the nearby town of FRANK, Alberta April 29 1903 and are remembered in a historical museum along highway #3 to the memory of many Staffordshire coal miners. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Slide http://www.frankslide.com/ - shows a map of area; rich history of the Crowsnest Pass amid the breathtaking beauty of the Canadian Rockies. http://www.canadasmountains.com/turtle_mountain_frank_slide.htm Turtle Mountain, the site of the legendary Frank Slide April 29 1903. My own grandfather was buried in 1926 at nearby LETHBRIDGE, Alberta where some streets also have Staffordshire names. I have been to CAPE BRETON, Nova Scotia where the museum at NORTH SYDNEY shows deaths of STAFFORDSHIRE coal miners, the name ASPINAL, PITT, CORBETT. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0005798 At SYDNEY, two main streets are named PITT Street and STAFFORD Street so we know rather definitely that Staffordshire coal miners had come there to work the mines. The same street naming of STAFFORDSHIRE practice also found at WILKES-BARRE, Pennsylvania, (Luzerne County) a coal mining area, where a main street off highway I-81 is called STAFFORD Street. and, no doubt, many other places where coal mining was carried on. Cheers, Gord Pace in Ontario

Hi Listers After MANY months of inactivity on the website I've just added to the page on the Wolverhampton, Sedgley & Dudley tramways with an article from the Times newspaper of July 1881 concerning the sale of shares of the Company. There are a few local names mentioned. If anyone has any information, stories, photos etc., that they feel would be of interest to others researching the Sedgley area I would be very willing to add them to the site. All the best Ian -- Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia [email protected] Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Family Tree Blog at http://www.familytreeblog.com Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL

I've got some Allens in the Bilston area Sandra. Particularly Susannah, born about 1778 who I think was a daughter of James & Hannah (poss nee Hill). Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra harper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:22 PM Subject: [Black Country] Birth certs > > Thanks to everyone who replied to me. Will use the info supplied. I am > researching the names Allen and Alliband- finding the going a bit tough. > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to everyone who replied to me. Will use the info supplied. I am researching the names Allen and Alliband- finding the going a bit tough.

Sandra if you put a list of them on here, some of us have Parish Records, depends on dates etc. We could look them up for you, save you having to buy the certs. They cost £7.00 each on line. HTH from Linda.

Could you please let me know the cheapest way of getting Birth certs, I am a bit of a novice and need a few of them. Thanks.

Is this the family in 1851? No John, says Mary Ann is a Widow? Bug Pool Wordsley Stourbridge John Reece HD M 59 Shoe Maker Ditton Prior Salop Elizabeth Wife 58 K/S George Reece Son U 20 Glass Warehouseman K/S Adelaide Reece D U 16 K/S Mary Ann Carpenter D Widow 33 K/S Henry Carpenter 12 K/S Wm Carpenter 9 K/S John Carpenter 6 K/S Thomas Carpenter 1 month K/S Elizabeth Carpenter 2 K/S The 1841 Census is often out with ages, they are rounded up and down. HTH from Linda.

Hello, all... > My ancestors are John and Mary Ann Carpenter and I know very little > about them: I know that they had 11 children, at least 6 of whom > were christened at St. Marys Chapelry in Kingswinford between 1838 and > 1851. Most of them emigrated with their parents to the US in 1853, > I found John and Mary and 2 children in an 1841 census record for the > Stourbridge District, Kingswinford Parish, Staffordshire County, > England but their ages don't match other information I have. > > John was born in England and Mary Ann was born in Ireland as were > their first 3 children. Apparently, John moved to Ireland, married > Mary Ann, had 3 children, moved back to England, and had 8 more > children before emigrating to the US. > > > I am most interested in finding their daughter, Ann, who was born about > 1832 in Ireland and emigrated before her parents. I have been unable to > determine how, when, or with whom she came to the US. > > Is anyone aware of sources that might be useful or have any suggestions > about how I might proceed? > > Thank you VERY MUCH for any assistance you can provide. **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002)

Many thanks Velda for the link to this web site. I've found some of my Pargeter line. Regards Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Velda Hampton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: [Black Country] Amblecote Parish Church (Holy Trinity) > If anyone is interested in this Church there is lots of information on this site http://www.holytrinityamblecote.org.uk/ > > Velda