Can you explain what this means, please? Did he come from a place called Kirkham, or did he change his name? Or was he a she? J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower >>>Street, Dudley   Jenni Kirkham Perth Western Australia Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now.

Hello Linda, Long time no speak :-) That's right, it is St. Andrew's where the cholera victims were buried, but, I thought they were registered in St. Thomas's parish registers. On reading Dianne Pye's article, it sounds as though they were not entered in any burial registers. I can feel a *mission* coming on here :-) I'll have a go on trying to fatham if the victims were entered in parish registers. Cassy: As your ancestor died in 1832 he couldn't have been buried at Queen's Cross Cemetery as it didn't open until 1904, sorry about that. Regards Jean www.pargeterfamily.tribalpages.com Linda wrote: > Hi Jean, from what I have read, the Cholera and Smallpox victims were buried in mass graves in Netherton? Apparently somewhere near Netherton Hall? No records were kept. I presume that is why some of us have such difficulty finding any burials in that time frame. Best Wishes from Linda.

Hi Jean from going throw the records he died in 1832 , and the service was at St Thomas , got a service number but no plot number , from what I could gather , he was injured down a mine with several other people , but that's all I have Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "jlangdell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley > Hello John, > > The church in question is St Andrew's, Netherton. The foundation stone > was > laid in 1827 and the church was consecrated in 1830. St Andrew's was a > chapel of ease to St Thomas's Dudley until 1843 when it became a separate > parish. The burial registers for St Andrew's commence March 1842. I'm > pretty sure that the cholera victims who were buried in St Andrew's > churchyard would have been registered in St Thomas's parish registers, but > if anyone knows any different I'd be glad to hear. > > For anyone interested, if you go to the Black Country Bugle website at > www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk there's an article by Dianne Pye "A Deadly > Disease at Dudley" dated 2nd November 2006. > > Cassy: St Peter's, Netherton doesn't have a burial ground. On the corner > of High Street & Blowers Green Road, Dudley there used to be a burial > ground > which was the overflow burial ground for St Thomas's, but unfortunately > it's > not there anymore. Could your great grandfather be buried at Queen's > Cross > Cemetery? > > Regards > Jean > > > www.pargeterfamily.tribalpages.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Favill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:07 PM > Subject: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley > > >> Hi All, >> In one of my return visits to England a few years ago, I purchased > a used book "Life in Victorian England" by W.G. Reader published in 1963. > It is only recently that I have found the book lurking in one of my too > many > bookcases and to my surprise in reading this very interesting book, > several > references are made to Wednesbury and two copies of Dudley notices are > shown. The first is for J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower > Street, Dudley claiming Small Boys, and clean cloths, upon the most > reasonable terms, with no date. The second was issued by the Dudley Board > of > Health most probably in 1849. >> >> The notice is headed with the word CHOLERA above Dudley Board of > Health and below this is shown the heading "Church-yards at Dudley." Then > the notice reads:- >> >> " Being so full, no one who has died of CHOLERA will be > permitted to be buried after SUNDAY next, (To-morrow) in > either of the Burial Grounds of St. Thomas's, or St. Edmunds's, in this > town." >> >> Then further below in smaller font reads the instruction. >> >> "All Persons who die from CHOLERA, must for the future be > buried in the Church-yard at Netherton." >> >> Unfortunately there is no date given to identify which SUNDAY. >> >> >> Has anyone information that would add to this interesting notice. For > instance, how long did this edict remain the practice, when did burials at > St. Edmunds and St. Thomas's resume after the development of clean water > services and the disappearance of Cholera, or did Netherton Church remain > the "overflow" burial place for the two churches? >> >> John >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00

Hi Jean, from what I have read, the Cholera and Smallpox victims were buried in mass graves in Netherton? Apparently somewhere near Netherton Hall? No records were kept. I presume that is why some of us have such difficulty finding any burials in that time frame. Best Wishes from Linda.

Hello John, The church in question is St Andrew's, Netherton. The foundation stone was laid in 1827 and the church was consecrated in 1830. St Andrew's was a chapel of ease to St Thomas's Dudley until 1843 when it became a separate parish. The burial registers for St Andrew's commence March 1842. I'm pretty sure that the cholera victims who were buried in St Andrew's churchyard would have been registered in St Thomas's parish registers, but if anyone knows any different I'd be glad to hear. For anyone interested, if you go to the Black Country Bugle website at www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk there's an article by Dianne Pye "A Deadly Disease at Dudley" dated 2nd November 2006. Cassy: St Peter's, Netherton doesn't have a burial ground. On the corner of High Street & Blowers Green Road, Dudley there used to be a burial ground which was the overflow burial ground for St Thomas's, but unfortunately it's not there anymore. Could your great grandfather be buried at Queen's Cross Cemetery? Regards Jean www.pargeterfamily.tribalpages.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Favill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley > Hi All, > In one of my return visits to England a few years ago, I purchased a used book "Life in Victorian England" by W.G. Reader published in 1963. It is only recently that I have found the book lurking in one of my too many bookcases and to my surprise in reading this very interesting book, several references are made to Wednesbury and two copies of Dudley notices are shown. The first is for J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower Street, Dudley claiming Small Boys, and clean cloths, upon the most reasonable terms, with no date. The second was issued by the Dudley Board of Health most probably in 1849. > > The notice is headed with the word CHOLERA above Dudley Board of Health and below this is shown the heading "Church-yards at Dudley." Then the notice reads:- > > " Being so full, no one who has died of CHOLERA will be permitted to be buried after SUNDAY next, (To-morrow) in either of the Burial Grounds of St. Thomas's, or St. Edmunds's, in this town." > > Then further below in smaller font reads the instruction. > > "All Persons who die from CHOLERA, must for the future be buried in the Church-yard at Netherton." > > Unfortunately there is no date given to identify which SUNDAY. > > > Has anyone information that would add to this interesting notice. For instance, how long did this edict remain the practice, when did burials at St. Edmunds and St. Thomas's resume after the development of clean water services and the disappearance of Cholera, or did Netherton Church remain the "overflow" burial place for the two churches? > > John > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Can any one help with this please , Harriet is my gr? grandmother born 1798, she married Benjamin Cash at St Thomas in 1819 , So far I have not been able to find her or Benjamin on any census , but I think Benjamin who was a miner died in the 1830s I have looked for Harriet in the deaths after 1837 but no luck , also she had a daughter Sarah born 1832 which I have never been able to find on a census either ,but her other daughter Hannah born 1826 married Thomas Round from Tower Street in 1843 , but between the 1851 census and 1861 census Hannah , Thomas and three of there children died not sure when has there are that many Rounds with the same christen names and the early records do not give an age , but only one of there sons is left alive Benjamin who is working down a coal mine on the 1861 census Can any one please help me sort this out with any death records or census Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Hi Listers Hoping some one can tell me where I can get information on the above gentleman He was the vicor in 1858 of the Parish Church of Dudley and married George Rushbury Hickman and Elizabeth Gill 26th Sept 1858 I beleave he was married to Elizabeth? and perhaps they are the parents of Jane Socket born 1870 in Birkenhead Cheshire and Mary born 1861 in Derbyshire and maybe Fred Clark born Birkenhead 1867 louis appears to of died in Liverpool 1879 and i have Elizabeth ,Jane and Mary at 10 Mullard St Liverpool in 1881 Any help much appreciated Olwyn

Hi Brian Not sure where St Andrews is or St Peters Netherton is but I was referring to the Cholera deaths , They stopped burying people with Cholera at St Thomas and from a certain date and I think it was November 1832 onwards they where to be buried at St Peters Netherton in a mass grave But just in case you are on about the other church yard for St Thomas I asked about ? Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley > Cassy, > > I though it was St Andrew, Netherton - the church on the hill > > Bryan Slim > > > >>Hi John >>The Church was St Peters Netherton and if I remenber right in was >>the month of November >>1832 , I used to have Sunday dinner at the Saltwells pub Netherton >>and they have old pictures hanging around the place , and one of >>them was the notice you mentioned giving the details , >>In the email you sent you mentioned another graveyard for St Thomas >>Church , >>does anyone know where this was , has I have been trying to find where my >>gr? >>grandfather was buried with no luck , but his funeral service was >>at St Thomas , but >>I cant find a plot number >>Cheers >>Cassy >> >> >>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, John Favill <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>From: John Favill <[email protected]> >>Subject: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:07 PM >> >>Hi All, >> In one of my return visits to England a few years ago, I purchased >> a >>used book "Life in Victorian England" by W.G. Reader published in >>1963. It is only recently that I have found the book lurking in one of my >>too >>many bookcases and to my surprise in reading this very interesting >>book, several >>references are made to Wednesbury and two copies of Dudley notices are >>shown. >>The first is for J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower >>Street, Dudley >>claiming Small Boys, and clean cloths, upon the most reasonable terms, >>with no >>date. The second was issued by the Dudley Board of Health most >>probably in 1849. >> >> The notice is headed with the word CHOLERA above Dudley Board of >> Health >>and below this is shown the heading "Church-yards at Dudley." Then the >>notice reads:- >> >> " Being so full, no one who has died of CHOLERA will be >>permitted to be buried after SUNDAY next, (To-morrow) in >>either >>of the Burial Grounds of St. Thomas's, or St. Edmunds's, in this >>town." >> >>Then further below in smaller font reads the instruction. >> >> "All Persons who die from CHOLERA, must for the future be >>buried in the Church-yard at Netherton." >> >>Unfortunately there is no date given to identify which SUNDAY. >> >> >>Has anyone information that would add to this interesting notice. >>For instance, >>how long did this edict remain the practice, when did burials at St. >>Edmunds and >>St. Thomas's resume after the development of clean water services and the >>disappearance of Cholera, or did Netherton Church remain the >>"overflow" burial place for the two churches? >> >> John >> >>------------------------------------- >>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >>by >>Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------- >>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >>the area. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00

Cassy, St Andrew, Netherton lies on the T junction of Hill st, High Bridge rd and Church rd on Netherton Hill. Created in 1827 as a chapel-of-east to St Thomas. I quote from Wlkipedia 'Netherton's parish church, St Andrew's, consecrated in 1830, is situated on Netherton Hill at the highest point in Netherton. It was originally just a chapel-at-ease to St Thomas's of Dudley, only becoming Netherton's parish church in 1844.[9] The church is surrounded by the gravestones of many of the former residents of the area. The churchyard also contains the mass unmarked graves of the victims of cholera that struck Dudley in 1831 and 1832.[10]' AZ reference is p 68 2d fro 1995 edition Am forwarding to you a jpg of a cholera poster advising all cholera burials must be in the churchyard Netherton. This was the 1830 outbreak when I believe St Peter, Derby End had not been created. Bryan >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > reply-type=original >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi Brian >Not sure where St Andrews is or St Peters Netherton is but I was referring to >the Cholera deaths , >They stopped burying people with Cholera at St Thomas and from a certain date >and I think it was November 1832 onwards they where to be buried >at St Peters Netherton >in a mass grave >But just in case you are on about the other church yard for St >Thomas I asked about ? > >Cheers > >Cassy >Assistant Admin Black Country >Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:37 PM >Subject: Re: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley > >>Cassy, >> >>I though it was St Andrew, Netherton - the church on the hill >> >>Bryan Slim >> >> >>>Hi John >>>The Church was St Peters Netherton and if I remenber right in was >>>the month of November >>>1832 , I used to have Sunday dinner at the Saltwells pub Netherton >>>and they have old pictures hanging around the place , and one of >>>them was the notice you mentioned giving the details , >>>In the email you sent you mentioned another graveyard for St >>>Thomas Church , >>>does anyone know where this was , has I have been trying to find >>>where my gr? >>>grandfather was buried with no luck , but his funeral service was >>>at St Thomas , but >>>I cant find a plot number >>>Cheers >>>Cassy >>> >>> >>>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, John Favill <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>From: John Favill <[email protected]> >>>Subject: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:07 PM >>> >>>Hi All, >>> In one of my return visits to England a few years ago, I purchased a >>>used book "Life in Victorian England" by W.G. Reader published in >>>1963. It is only recently that I have found the book lurking in >>>one of my too >>>many bookcases and to my surprise in reading this very interesting >>>book, several >>>references are made to Wednesbury and two copies of Dudley notices >>>are shown. >>>The first is for J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower >>>Street, Dudley >>>claiming Small Boys, and clean cloths, upon the most reasonable >>>terms, with no >>>date. The second was issued by the Dudley Board of Health most >>>probably in 1849. >>> >>> The notice is headed with the word CHOLERA above Dudley >>>Board of Health >>>and below this is shown the heading "Church-yards at Dudley." Then the >>>notice reads:- >>> >>> " Being so full, no one who has died of CHOLERA will be >>>permitted to be buried after SUNDAY next, (To-morrow) in >>>either >>>of the Burial Grounds of St. Thomas's, or St. Edmunds's, in this >>>town." >>> >>>Then further below in smaller font reads the instruction. >>> >>> "All Persons who die from CHOLERA, must for the future be >>>buried in the Church-yard at Netherton." >>> >>>Unfortunately there is no date given to identify which SUNDAY. >>> >>> >>>Has anyone information that would add to this interesting notice. >>>For instance, >>>how long did this edict remain the practice, when did burials at St. >>>Edmunds and >>>St. Thomas's resume after the development of clean water services and the >>>disappearance of Cholera, or did Netherton Church remain the >>>"overflow" burial place for the two churches? >>> >>> John >>> >>>------------------------------------- >>>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>>Country. 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Hi Jenni I'm interested in your Trowmans because my great aunt Florence GOODES married a Trowmans in Aston, Birmingham in 1915. However, what I'm really posting for is to tell you that your family is being researched by someone over on the Black Country Gob site and if you go there and post your details you will probably find a rellie! www.blackcountrygob.com I think (or it might be .co.uk - I've got it bookmarked!) -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Hi Listers The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Added - 8,991 Births for the Lichfield Registration District:- 4,630 for Lichfield (code L), registers at Lichfield (1911, 1961-1964) 4,361 for Tamworth (code T), registers at Lichfield (1911, 1961-1973) regards Bill Many Thanks to you all for your hard work in making this possible..... ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk ========================================================================

I'm going round in circles over this one; can anyone out there please help me sort it out? My maternal gt g/mother was Hannah Troman, who married Edward WILLETTS on 19 May 1867 in Dudley Parish Church. Witnesses were Ann Troman and George Lowe. The bride's father was given as John Troman, Gas Fitter. Looking back on the censuses, Hannah, born around 1847, first appears in 1861 as a 13 year old, living in Laurences Lane Rowley Regis. Parents John,36, gast tube fitting maker, Mary J 34, wife, Ann 14, Hannah 13, Elizabeth 11, Mary Jane 7, Alfred J 4 (These last two born in Birmingham, whereas the rest were all born in Rowley) and Phebe, age 2. In 1871, we have John, 46 gas fittings maker and Mary J 44, wife, at Moir St. Blackheath, with Mary J 17, Alfred 14, Phoebe 12, Edwin 8, Joseph 6, Mariah 4 and Ruth 2. In 1881, John 56, is recorded at 43 Lomey Town, The Royal Oak Inn, as a beerseller, with wife JANE 54, and children Edwin 18, Joseph 16, Miriam 14, and Ruth 12. By 1891, the same address has just beer-seller John 66, Jane, 65 and Miriam, 24. In 1901, John is at 56 High St Blackheath and is listed as a widower, retired gas fittings maker, and head of household with Miriam Whittall, 34 dau. and William Whittall, 34 Son in law. Which was all very well until a cousin turned up Hannah's BC. This shows the birth on 27 Jul 1847 was registered by the mother, JANE Tromans formerly GADD. Father's name is John Tromans occupation Gas tube fitter. The only marriage I can find for John and Jane is in the Bromsgrove district, Jan-Mar 1846 vol 18 p 259. An IGI listing suggests it took place at Clent, and gives the bride's father's name as Thomas. I've checked censuses for Thomas and family, and they are consistent with him being Jane's father, and he also last appeared in the census in 1871 living in High St. Rowley Regis. There is another John Tromans listed with a wife called Jane and a  daughter Hannah, but they lived in Oldbury, he was a blacksmith and Hannah was born around 1857. I can't find John Troman, Jane (or Mary J) with Ann, Hannah, and possibly Elizabeth, in 1851. I can't work out why Hannah's mother should give her name as Jane on the BC, be Mary J from 1861-1871, and then revert to Jane in 1881-91. Is it possible John was married 3 times, and Jane Gadd died, was 'replaced' by Mary J, and later on Mary died and John married another Jane--and does that also explain his sudden transition from gas fittings maker to publican? Can anyone check it over for me and offer an opinion? I've been using www.Ancestry.com.au for most of my research, and I know there are other transcriptions around that may show different results, especially with a name that's subject to a lot of variations. Regards Jenni Kirkham Perth, Western Australia. The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier.

Cassy, I though it was St Andrew, Netherton - the church on the hill Bryan Slim >Hi John >The Church was St Peters Netherton and if I remenber right in was >the month of November >1832 , I used to have Sunday dinner at the Saltwells pub Netherton >and they have old pictures hanging around the place , and one of >them was the notice you mentioned giving the details , >In the email you sent you mentioned another graveyard for St Thomas Church , >does anyone know where this was , has I have been trying to find where my gr? >grandfather was buried with no luck , but his funeral service was >at St Thomas , but >I cant find a plot number >Cheers >Cassy > > >--- On Fri, 4/3/09, John Favill <[email protected]> wrote: > >From: John Favill <[email protected]> >Subject: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley >To: [email protected] >Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:07 PM > >Hi All, > In one of my return visits to England a few years ago, I purchased a >used book "Life in Victorian England" by W.G. Reader published in >1963. It is only recently that I have found the book lurking in one of my too >many bookcases and to my surprise in reading this very interesting >book, several >references are made to Wednesbury and two copies of Dudley notices are shown. >The first is for J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower >Street, Dudley >claiming Small Boys, and clean cloths, upon the most reasonable terms, with no >date. The second was issued by the Dudley Board of Health most >probably in 1849. > > The notice is headed with the word CHOLERA above Dudley Board of Health >and below this is shown the heading "Church-yards at Dudley." Then the >notice reads:- > > " Being so full, no one who has died of CHOLERA will be >permitted to be buried after SUNDAY next, (To-morrow) in >either >of the Burial Grounds of St. Thomas's, or St. Edmunds's, in this >town." > >Then further below in smaller font reads the instruction. > > "All Persons who die from CHOLERA, must for the future be >buried in the Church-yard at Netherton." > >Unfortunately there is no date given to identify which SUNDAY. > > >Has anyone information that would add to this interesting notice. >For instance, >how long did this edict remain the practice, when did burials at St. >Edmunds and >St. Thomas's resume after the development of clean water services and the >disappearance of Cholera, or did Netherton Church remain the >"overflow" burial place for the two churches? > > John > >------------------------------------- >The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by >Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------------- >The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >the area. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, In one of my return visits to England a few years ago, I purchased a used book "Life in Victorian England" by W.G. Reader published in 1963. It is only recently that I have found the book lurking in one of my too many bookcases and to my surprise in reading this very interesting book, several references are made to Wednesbury and two copies of Dudley notices are shown. The first is for J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower Street, Dudley claiming Small Boys, and clean cloths, upon the most reasonable terms, with no date. The second was issued by the Dudley Board of Health most probably in 1849. The notice is headed with the word CHOLERA above Dudley Board of Health and below this is shown the heading "Church-yards at Dudley." Then the notice reads:- " Being so full, no one who has died of CHOLERA will be permitted to be buried after SUNDAY next, (To-morrow) in either of the Burial Grounds of St. Thomas's, or St. Edmunds's, in this town." Then further below in smaller font reads the instruction. "All Persons who die from CHOLERA, must for the future be buried in the Church-yard at Netherton." Unfortunately there is no date given to identify which SUNDAY. Has anyone information that would add to this interesting notice. For instance, how long did this edict remain the practice, when did burials at St. Edmunds and St. Thomas's resume after the development of clean water services and the disappearance of Cholera, or did Netherton Church remain the "overflow" burial place for the two churches? John

Hello Sandra Have you looked through the Parish records for Christ Church in Oldbury - they are held at Smethwick Archives. These records have never been transcribed for the IGI Records - so can't be seen on-line. There are a few included in the IGI for this church, but these have been submitted by members of the church. Maggie ======================================== Message Received: Apr 02 2009, 11:27 AM From: "sandra harper" To: "rootsweb" Cc: Subject: [Black Country] Family Tree Hi everyone. I am totally stumped. I am trying to trace Benjamin Birch born around 1815/20 Oldbury. Have seen his marriage cert 1835 to Hannah Onions witness Phebe Birch(sister I think). 1841 census lists him with his wife + children John 2, Julia 6months, he is 20 + Hannah 25, he says he was born in the county. By 1851 he was dead,killed in a coal mining accident (have seen death cert). 1851 census lists his wife + children and a lodger William Birch 27-possibly Bens brother as he had just died. I cannot find any trace of him before his marriage. Can anyone help? Thanks Sandra Harper. ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ www.familytrails.net Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT

Hi John The Church was St Peters Netherton and if I remenber right in was the month of November 1832 , I used to have Sunday dinner at the Saltwells pub Netherton and they have old pictures hanging around the place , and one of them was the notice you mentioned giving the  details , In the email you sent you mentioned another graveyard  for St Thomas Church , does anyone know where this was , has I have been trying to find where my gr? grandfather was buried  with no luck , but his funeral service was at St Thomas , but I cant find a plot number Cheers Cassy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, John Favill <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Favill <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] Church-yards at Dudley To: [email protected] Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:07 PM Hi All, In one of my return visits to England a few years ago, I purchased a used book "Life in Victorian England" by W.G. Reader published in 1963. It is only recently that I have found the book lurking in one of my too many bookcases and to my surprise in reading this very interesting book, several references are made to Wednesbury and two copies of Dudley notices are shown. The first is for J. Hanson (late Kirkham) Chimney Sweep of Tower Street, Dudley claiming Small Boys, and clean cloths, upon the most reasonable terms, with no date. The second was issued by the Dudley Board of Health most probably in 1849. The notice is headed with the word CHOLERA above Dudley Board of Health and below this is shown the heading "Church-yards at Dudley." Then the notice reads:- " Being so full, no one who has died of CHOLERA will be permitted to be buried after SUNDAY next, (To-morrow) in either of the Burial Grounds of St. Thomas's, or St. Edmunds's, in this town." Then further below in smaller font reads the instruction. "All Persons who die from CHOLERA, must for the future be buried in the Church-yard at Netherton." Unfortunately there is no date given to identify which SUNDAY. Has anyone information that would add to this interesting notice. For instance, how long did this edict remain the practice, when did burials at St. Edmunds and St. Thomas's resume after the development of clean water services and the disappearance of Cholera, or did Netherton Church remain the "overflow" burial place for the two churches? John ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]ootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to those that replyed re my Sockett query Sorry i made a mistake should of been Martha? and Edward Sockett the John I wrote is their son Olwyn

Hi Listers, Looking for John Sockett in `1861 cencus says he is 34 an engine smith born Tipton married to Martha aged 26 born tipton with 3 children John aged 3,William aged 7and Elizabeth 1 address is Burnt tree Brady St Tipton What was Martha's maiden name many thanks Olwyn

Hi everyone. I am totally stumped. I am trying to trace Benjamin Birch born around 1815/20 Oldbury. Have seen his marriage cert 1835 to Hannah Onions witness Phebe Birch(sister I think). 1841 census lists him with his wife + children John 2, Julia 6months, he is 20 + Hannah 25, he says he was born in the county. By 1851 he was dead,killed in a coal mining accident (have seen death cert). 1851 census lists his wife + children and a lodger William Birch 27-possibly Bens brother as he had just died. I cannot find any trace of him before his marriage. Can anyone help? Thanks Sandra Harper.

Hi, Olwyn, The correct name for the street in Burnt Tree is Bradley Street Rob. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.